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howiemac Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Scotland |
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: Re: 'Brahma Bhagat' |
Tete wrote:
What does
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'Brahma Bhagat'
mean?
Brahma bhagat is not official BK terminology but slang used by some revolutionaries "bhagat" means "devotee" - many BKs use it as a term of abuse (believing their path of knowledge to be far superior to any path of devotion) but for the rest of the world it signifies worship and devoutness. So Brahma bhagat is a worshipper of Brahma Baba, which is against the core teachings of the BKs, but is very prevalent within the organisation nowadays. Fittingly, it is the ones who mock non-BK 'bhagats' who tend to be 'Brahma bhagats' themselves.... The most recent development is "dadi bhagats", worship of the Dadis, which is even more contrary to the core BK teachings but is rapidly becoming endemic throughout the Bk organsiation.
Tete Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 169 |
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:37 am Post subject: sakar murlis |
Hello, How does this "sakar murlis" fit in with these below? Can some one explain? Cool Dip,
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SANSKAR - mental impressions, the traits and tendencies of a soul, caused by past experiences and behaviour patterns. Close to what people describe as a person’s nature, but not quite. SARKAR - concrete, manifest. Used to refer to Shiv Baba’s murlis given through the body of Brahma, before Brahma’s ascension to the angelic world in 1969. Hence ‘Sarkar murli’
Regards, Tete
howiemac Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Scotland |
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:42 am Post subject: Re: sakar murlis |
Tete wrote:
How does this "sakar murlis" fit in with these below?
it is the second definition 'concrete, manifest': the Sakar murlies are those spoken by BB before he died. The avyakt (subtle, incorporeal) murlis are those spoken after he died, through the medium of Dadi Gulzar.
Tete Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 169 |
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: Dharna |
Hi, Can some one expand on what this means:
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DHARNA - pledge, inculcate.
Regards, Tete
Joel Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 102 |
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Dharna |
Tete wrote:
Hi, Can some one expand on what this means:
Quote:
DHARNA - pledge, inculcate.
Regards, Tete
One of the four subjects.... I wonder what the others were... This one is to become virtuous like Laxmi Narayan (see also 16 virtues and 8 powers and 12 arts of living) A state also called 108 celestial degrees complete. Vishnu, completely balanced in male and female characteristics, although one maybe still horny, it is considered a flaw only if exposed. Generally the most statuesque and youthful of the fairer sex are permitted to flaunt their beauty in rich silks of golden aged luxury during the Hindu festival of.... was it Diwali or Raksa Bandan? No, raksha first, then the lighting of candles. No one with eyes and a heart, male or female could fail but be impressed by the charm, poise and beauty these individuals would take on in costume. As living deities, girls of high-school age or so might be riding in the fly buzzing afternoon heat over roads smelling of urine and dust and dung, floating above it all on paradise floats, and MOTIONLESS as the frozen living form of creation's perfect images. Frankly, I found the rahki ceremonies quite spicy, too, although I guessed that was not what those above expected as an outcome. I wonder what that did expect. To have someone of the gender of attraction(TM), to have a GOA holding your hand and looking into your eyes for five minute's of eternity. I confess to unsuppressable tumescences. And seeing these young adult womens (hmm, not girls any more?) so charming in sensuous silks. Wasn't this sort of look-but-don't-touch enjoy but don't enjoy in that way an inducement to self-suppressive cognitive dissonance? And by the way, we Indians are celibate and unlustful. Well, dare i say, anyone with a heart could scarcely failed to be moved, and i think no one need to be ashamed of voluntary and healthy functioning of erectile tissue in both men and women. Our bodies were designed for that to happen, and like the clenching of the gut in response to fear, or a bad meal of some senior's manipulative behavior, or too much ice cream from the kitchen becomes a mind of its own. We would expect many adults to be attracted to the pleasure/reproductive nexxus. That our strongest emotions and motivations are connected with raising the next generation of our humanities' tribe. But with dharna you should be able to experience the entire spectrum of pleasure in life, the full richness that the creation makes available in and out of the society of humans... without feeling incomplete for want of fulfilling tactile sensations of lying with another in timeless primitive mammal embrace of mutual ongoing tactile affirmation. In my opinion,
Joel Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 102 |
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: Virtue and arousal (was: Re: Dharna) |
Tete wrote:
Hi, Can some one expand on what this means:
Quote:
DHARNA - pledge, inculcate.
Regards, Tete
Language is significant. When seniors such as Dr. Nirmala had the courage to speak out on those individuals who expressed themselves with abundant displays of physical affection, including unashamed elements of mutual pleasure, she referred to such uninhibited people as 'highly sexed individuals' meaning so mentally addled by sex as to be hardly worthy of considering as intellectually human. We've had some instructive posts here of folks showing BK'ish judgmental anger toward the possibility that such feelings could be part of a healthy, even virtuous life. But any word like 'virtue' is a red-flag word because of the shadow of the fearful judge, a code word for conformance to another's expectation as well as an utterance of juicy or wholesome goodness.
Tete Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 169 |
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject: Dharna |
Joel,
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But with dharna you should be able to experience the entire spectrum of pleasure in life, the full richness that the creation makes available in and out of the society of humans... without feeling incomplete for want of fulfilling tactile sensations of lying with another in timeless primitive mammal embrace of mutual ongoing tactile affirmation.
So, I take this to mean total fulfillment without the physical element in BK experience. So, you are saying that some yogis will still feel these feelings despite all the suppression. So, can it be said that perhaps some that were yogis and remember great experiences, that perhaps some were of the here and now energies only miss logged under an other category of sorts perhaps out of miss placed guilt (trying not to feel)? Just trying to understand the love intoxication of it all. Regards, Tete
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