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satish Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 100 |
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:14 am Post subject: |
Generally in North India almost all knows to speak Hindi as their own language. Similarly most of them in India understand Hindi though its influence is not that high in southern India. Also hindi is National language of India
uddhava Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Paramdham |
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:33 am Post subject: |
wahl wrote:
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As far as I am concerned any of us can combine with God (ie Shiva) in the way that Brahma did.
Yes, that is exactly the message of the BKWSU. om shanti wahl
I don't think this is the message of BKWSU - isn't everyone numberwise and don't Brahma Baba and Dadi Gulzar have unique roles? Maybe others can 'combine' with God in a looser senser but not in the sense of being God's medium. I think it was after the departure of Brahma Baba in 1969 that various BK's claimed to receive messages from God and then it was decided that only Dadi Gulzar was allowed to do this.
uddhava Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Paramdham |
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:01 am Post subject: |
John wrote:
Also if someone says Brahma spoke the murlis then could they not also say that bits of it are wrong because it is Brahma speaking
I agree that this is a problem. Wahl said earlier in this thread that
Wahl wrote:
The narration in the sakar murli shifts without warning from Baba to Brahma Baba
Surely this introduces the risk of confusion and misinterpretation ie thinking it is God saying something when it is in fact just Brahma Baba.
wahl Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England |
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:25 am Post subject: |
Uddhava wrote
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I don't think this is the message of BKWSU - isn't everyone numberwise
Numberwise in the race. on shanti wahl
John Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 157 Location: UK |
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:59 am Post subject: |
Has anyone on this forum ever seen Brahma Baba in person(I don't mean in Avyakta) or know of anyone who has. I'm guessing they'd have to be about 60 years old
wahl Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England |
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:55 am Post subject: |
There are plenty of BK souls still around that met him. Did you mean XBK souls? om shanti wahl
John Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 157 Location: UK |
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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There are plenty of BK souls still around that met him. Did you mean XBK souls?
I meant anyone posting on this forum
wahl Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England |
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:44 am Post subject: |
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or know of anyone who has.
I knew someone who met him many times. However, he was not an XBK, he was in gyan when he left the body earlier this year. I don't think it is very likely that anyone who met BB in person is going to want to speak here. om shanti wahl
the prisoner Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 23 |
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:40 pm Post subject: |
I'd like to throw in a few things I've heard through the years, either directly from the murlis or from Dadi Janki and other Dadis: 1) there were no murlis and no clearly defined knowledge for many years (until the 1950's). 2) In the first years Shiva would often incarnate in a sister's body (different each time) to speak directly to Brahma, explaining who He was and what His purpose was. He also did this to demonstrate He could come in anyone's body and that the power experienced by the gathering was not coming from Brahma. 3) Often Shiva did not incarnate for a sakar murli and Brahma spoke it alone. 4) Shiva sometimes secretly incarnates in the body of a BK without anyone being aware of it - usually when some service is required to be done which the BK in question is not capable to do. 5) The very first avyakt murli was Shiva alone, but both Shiva and Brahma incarnate for all subsequent avyakt murlis 6) the sakar murlis are for the period 1964 to 1969 only. I do remember the tone of these murlis are they were read out in the 1970's. They were definitely harsher with more references to the degradation of the rest of society, punishments for sin, guru bashing (now totally excised), and more references to the practices of Hinduism (although this remains a popular subject). _________________ "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain
uddhava Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Paramdham |
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:45 am Post subject: |
the prisoner wrote:
I'd like to throw in a few things I've heard through the years, either directly from the murlis or from Dadi Janki and other Dadis: 1) there were no murlis and no clearly defined knowledge for many years (until the 1950's).
Here are some questions that I think they have all been asked before on XBKChat I think that Brahma Baba's first visions were in 1936, so does anyone know when the first murli was - can we be more precise than 'the 1950's'? When were the murlis first recorded in writing / on tape? Is it only murlis from 1964 to 1969 that survive and if so what happened to the earlier ones?
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3) Often Shiva did not incarnate for a sakar murli and Brahma spoke it alone.
In that case I am not really sure what 'sakar murli' means.
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4) Shiva sometimes secretly incarnates in the body of a BK without anyone being aware of it - usually when some service is required to be done which the BK in question is not capable to do.
Is this from the dadis rather than the murli? Is it meant to be serious theology?
wahl Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England |
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:05 am Post subject: |
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In that case I am not really sure what 'sakar murli' means.
Sakar refers to the state of the soul of Brahma Baba............ sakar = in the body avyakt = in the angelic state _________________ om shanti wahl
uddhava Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Paramdham |
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:13 am Post subject: |
wahl wrote:
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In that case I am not really sure what 'sakar murli' means.
Sakar refers to the state of the soul of Brahma Baba............ sakar = in the body avyakt = in the angelic state
Ok but in that case everything that Brahma Baba says is a sakar murli
wahl Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England |
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:27 am Post subject: |
No, he is not sakar now! _________________ om shanti wahl
uddhava Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Paramdham |
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:37 am Post subject: |
wahl wrote:
No, he is not sakar now!
OK I mean pre-1969
the prisoner wrote:
3) Often Shiva did not incarnate for a sakar murli and Brahma spoke it alone.
I thought a sakar murli meant that God incarnated in Brahma Baba. If Brahma Baba speaking himself without any incarnation is a sakar murli then I am confused.
wahl Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England |
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:56 am Post subject: |
All of the murlis that 'arrived' whilst Brahma Baba was alive are considered sakar and they are considered avyakt after he left the body. The question of God incarnating is another issue. _________________ om shanti wahl
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