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the prisoner Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 23 |
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:41 am Post subject: |
Uddhava wrote :
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Ok but I wouldn't say that if Allah says 'Allah is mighty, wise' then he is worshipping himself - he could be just stating a fact
it is the inclusion of Surely which it makes it so incongruous. But OK, lets open up the Koran. In the first couple of pages we find :
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[2.136] Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit. [2.138] (Receive) the baptism of Allah, and who is better than Allah in baptising? and Him do we serve. [2.139] Say: Do you dispute with us about Allah, and He is our Lord and your Lord, and we shall have our deeds and you shall have your deeds, and we are sincere to Him.
According to my understanding, the exhortation "Say:" is not in the original Arabic, but was inserted. This makes it impossible that the above was not the work of Mohammed. _________________ "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain
the prisoner Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 23 |
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:47 pm Post subject: |
Uddhava wrote :
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I don't agree that you can witness directly that Shiva is speaking through the body of Brahma or Gulzar. What you can witness directly is Brahma Baba and Gulzar speaking in some kind of trance. The crucial point of God entering the body of Brahma / Gulzar is not witness-able
You can witness the eyes, the face, the expressions, the style of speaking, how the class is composed, the degree of empathy, the power of the dristhi, the way the atmosphere changes, the way reality itself seems to change. If you are lucky, you may be spoken to personally. All of these things may be witnessed. From all of this you can make up your own mind - but what you, of course cannot do is make up someone else's mind or provide proof of what is going on. It is beyond all human systems of proof. One cannot even prove that one is (or has) a soul - the idea that one is a soul is spoken of as a matter of faith. It is also a matter of experience, but that experience is transient in this world. _________________ "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain
uddhava Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Paramdham |
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:49 pm Post subject: |
the prisoner wrote:
Uddhava wrote :
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in the Old Testament sometimes God speaks directly to Moses
If I remember correctly, the voice came from a pillar of fire and from a burning bush on separate occasions. In the case of Jesus, it was a disembodied voice from the heavens.
Most of the book of Leviticus, for example, is God speaking to Moses, although there doesn't seem to much explanation about how God spoke to him. Leviticus 24: 1 The LORD said to Moses... 5 "You must bake twelve loaves of bread from choice flour, using three quarts of flour for each loaf. 6 Place the bread in the LORD's presence on the pure gold table, and arrange the loaves in two rows, with six in each row..." http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2024%20;&version=51;
Joel Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 102 |
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:17 pm Post subject: |
wahl wrote:
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The Murli and recollections used to be littered with snippets like " there are two engines in here ", e.g. two souls in one body
In my many years of murli reading I have never come across either of these snippets. with love wahl
Well you obviously didn't study as assiduously as you represent. Someone call Rajni or Morni, or Ascha or Dr. Nirmala to straighten him out. Wahl! Anyway you may have been more of a karma yogi.''
uddhava Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Paramdham |
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:51 am Post subject: |
the prisoner wrote:
And there are times in the Koran when it cannot be Allah speaking, but is clearly Mohammed :
I agree and here is another example from the first chapter of the Quran: "Thee we serve and Thee we ask for aid. Guide us in the right path..." This seems to be a prayer to God and so not God himself speaking. And yet many or most Muslims insist that the entire Quran is spoken by God. I think the reason for this is that it is a kind of wall of defence because once you allow that one part of the Quran is spoken by Mohammed, the next question is well which other parts are spoken by him? And so the spell may be broken. There is the same problem of prayers to God in the 'revelation' of the Old Testament and the Hindu Vedas.
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