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bansy Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 84 |
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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some BKs started altering the murlis
bkry, do you know what happened to the BKs who did this ?
John Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 157 Location: UK |
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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some BKs started altering the murlis bkry, do you know what happened to the BKs who did this ?
Got hired by the Dadis?
bkry Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 113 Location: Malaysia |
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject: |
bansy wrote:
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some BKs started altering the murlis
bkry, do you know what happened to the BKs who did this ?
I don't know. Some BKs can innocently do this. But some can do it with bad intentions. _________________ God's angel. BK Pari
bkry Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 113 Location: Malaysia |
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject: |
John wrote:
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some BKs started altering the murlis bkry, do you know what happened to the BKs who did this ?
Got hired by the Dadis?
I don't think there is anything wrong with the way the Brahma Kumaris are presenting the murlis to the BKs for morning murli sessions. A lot of the things there, in the murlis, need not be listened to. If one wants to fly, just the basic gyan is enough. Frankly speaking, I prefered it the way it was being presented. In fact, I was, and still am, of the opinion that more can be taken off from the murlis that are being read in the centers. For example, I don't think there is any need to listen to the part, in the avyakt murlis, relating to service etc. In fact, I know that there are many BKs in Malaysia who would prefer it if more of the unwanted parts in the murlis were taken away. There were BKs here who were wondering as to why I was not making it a issue that more should be removed from the murlis because they were not interested in listening to stuff directed to specific people, service etc. They only wanted to listen to that which was making them fly. I also prefered what they prefered but I never voiced my opinions to the Admin of the Brahma Kumaris relating to this because my job is not to get involved with admin work. But I guess different people have different views. So how would it be possible to satisfy everyone? _________________ God's angel. BK Pari
bansy Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 84 |
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:09 am Post subject: |
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how would it be possible to satisfy everyone
With difficulty.
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A lot of the things there, in the murlis, need not be listened to.
The whole "point" (if that is the correct word to use), is the murli is the DIVINE SONG sung/played by God, the Murlidhar Flute Player, and hence we (the entire human race of 6million+) should be listening and adhering to them as they are GOD'S WORDS. We are to be able to sing the same words as God. So far, only BKs are listening to them and the rest of the world are in ignorance , but even amongst BKs how many are ? So thus BKs should not be allowed to change one word, although there may be some human interaction when translating the original murlis (wherever these are now ). I mean, how would it be if the Bible came out every few years slightly different from the previous edition ? Yes, in BK gyan, everything in nature degrades over time and things change (from good to bad, sato to tamo). However, if this degradation is already happening during the so-called Confluence Age for murlis............
John Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 157 Location: UK |
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: |
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I don't think there is anything wrong with the way the Brahma Kumaris are presenting the murlis to the BKs for morning murli sessions. A lot of the things there, in the murlis, need not be listened to. If one wants to fly, just the basic gyan is enough. Frankly speaking, I prefered it the way it was being presented. In fact, I was, and still am, of the opinion that more can be taken off from the murlis that are being read in the centers.
Bkry As well as flying we need to have our feet on the ground so as not to become deluded. Murlis are the word of Shiva and to the BK/PBKs this is/should be the word of God. The problem with changing/chopping Murlis is...who is to decide what to chop? What are the motives? If the Murlis are the word of God how can any other soul decide to alter it? What might not seem an important point to you might be an important point to others and a very important point to Shivababa. Murlis are The 'Gita' of Shiva baba, as the bible is to christians, the Quran to muslims, these should not be changed.
bkry Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 113 Location: Malaysia |
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: |
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If the Murlis are the word of God how can any other soul decide to alter it?
God Himself has been changing the contents of the murlis from time to time based on the progress of the souls before Him. It is my view that God can use an instrument to alter a murli as needed. But off course I can understand that people might want to see what originally was said. Well, I believe in flowing along with modern times, provided we stay on track. But I can understand that not everyone has similar views as mine. I know that that which had been said, in the murlis, can be understood from different angles with time. Thus, the same gyan is understood further and further. The basic gyan is not changed or removed from the sakar or avyakt murlis. It is my view that whatever is presented to us is as per how it should be presented in the BK centers. _________________ God's angel. BK Pari
John Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 157 Location: UK |
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:54 am Post subject: |
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God Himself has been changing the contents of the murlis from time to time based on the progress of the souls before Him.
Bkry can you elaborate on this please. I'm interested to know how Murlis have changed/progressed
bkry Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 113 Location: Malaysia |
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: |
Dear John, Centerwasis had explained this to me with examples. Since they were involved with explaining this, they had done a good job. I am not sure if I can do as good a job as them. But previously, the knowledge had flowed along with more Hindu bhakti concepts etc used in them. The Linga concept is one of them. But with time, knowledge just concentrated on God being a point of light and we being a point of light too. _________________ God's angel. BK Pari
bansy Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 84 |
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
Managed to go to a centre and look at today's murli.....there is no date of the original other than today's date. It talks about makign pictures of the ladder to be used for service. But then there is a passage at the end of the murli where it says "you can print a picture of all the seniors". Did God really day this ?
bansy Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 84 |
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Did God really day this ?
supposed to be "Did God really say this". Sorry fo the careless typo error, the "d" is next to the "s" on the keyboard.
Joel Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 102 |
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:11 am Post subject: Did God really day this? |
bansy wrote:
Managed to go to a centre and look at today's murli.....there is no date of the original other than today's date. It talks about makign pictures of the ladder to be used for service. But then there is a passage at the end of the murli where it says "you can print a picture of all the seniors". Did God really day this ?
I've heard that murli a few times. According to the BKs, the senior sisters (and brothers) are the root of the new tree, or at the base the ladder of descent preparing to ascend. It is in character of Baba to praise those who are dedicated.
bansy Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 84 |
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:50 am Post subject: |
Thanks for the clarity Joel. I agree on praising others. Focuses on positive aspects. However, the time one has to spend on looking at others should be spent remembering ShivBaba....that's what I understood/stand from Raja Yoga course. One and none other. Often it is said to follow the father (meaning Brahma Baba) as he is the only one to become avaykt so he is the only example to follow. So I am not clear if all the words in daily murlis are from ShivBaba or from Brahma Baba during his sakar days. And just adding to this topic thread with murlis having been modified by current BKs for distribution (in London), it can be hard to get the original words.
uddhava Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Paramdham |
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Did God really day this? |
Joel wrote:
It is in character of Baba to praise those who are dedicated.
Dear Joel, Do you mean 'Baba' as in Shiv Baba or as in Brahma Baba?
uddhava Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Paramdham |
Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:08 am Post subject: |
bansy wrote:
So I am not clear if all the words in daily murlis are from ShivBaba or from Brahma Baba during his sakar days.
Dear Bansy, This came up in the thread 'Re-writing Murlis and general hypocrisies'. I used to think that the BK belief was that the sakar murli was spoken entirely by God but apparently some or all sakars are spoken jointly by God and Brahma Baba and some entirely by Brahma Baba. This raises the important (for me) question of 'which is which'?
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