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bansy · Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 84

There are the 4 faiths -
1. Faith in Self
2. Faith in God
3. Faith in the (BK) Family
4. Faith in the Drama.

There needs to be an almost exact balance of each whilst you go along the BK spiritual path. Aim is 100% in each Faith. If you are 100% in all, I don't think you will be in this XBKchat forum.
I have not worked out what has been the "weakest" Faith amongst XBKs (or even amongst Bks, PBks). It's a personal thing.

Poll : Which is your weakest Faith (applies to BK, XBK, PBK) ? 1, 2 ,3 or 4 ?

ex-london · Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 131

bansy · Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 84

bkry · Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 113 Location: Malaysia

howiemac · Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Scotland

bansy · Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 84

All the 4 faiths are interconnected (in BK life).
Faith in the Drama is an extension of Faith in Baba and faith in gyan. Drama will help settle karmic accounts that cannot be done through one's own efforts. Faith in the Drama means to appreciate the beauty of each scene of drama now, and being an observer. Thus Self, Baba and Family are all included.

Faith in Family..if you have Faith in Self, and Faith in Baba, then not only are you able to satisfy and be content with yourself, but also able to satisfy others. This Faith comes to the highest point where nothing others can do will dissatisfy me or bring me down. The Family extends beyond only BKs.
The faith somone has in others is the result of that one's own vision on others. But if you fix your vision on the positivity and purity of others (even if there are defects), then YOU are able to help them emerge those qualities.

I think the weakest Faith can fluctuate over the spiritual journey for each soul. I am told that in all totality, Faith in the Self is the weakest for most BKs, hence it is the first one in the list. It does not mean that one doesn't trust oneself, but rather most BKs...even very senior ones...have to come to terms that when they are introvert, often asks questions such as "am I ready" "can I ever remove that sanskar" "Am I really making any progress" "what does it mean to be an angel" "am I really an deity".
As the old adage goes, it is always easier to blame everything and everyone else first, except yourself.

bansy · Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 84

I think all the faiths are hard, but the one that occured to me recently was drama..and then that has an impact on the family.

I'm sure everyone who, at the start of their BK journey, were (and still are) looking. So at the beginning, everyone was nice (usually), the food was great, the BKs were smiling and nice, God was there, I found out I am a soul.

If it wasn't for this 5000 years, and "destruction is around the corner" facet, then maybe there isn't such a mad rush for BKs to be NUMBER ONE, and hence some BKs telling other BKs what to do so they become kings and the others to be their subjects etc, and hence not being so nice than they really are.
Setting deadlines, such as the end of the world, doesn't work well as not everyone works well under pressure, though some enjoy it.

But again, I think faith will vary over time as your own conditions change.

howiemac · Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Scotland

bansy · Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 84

I'm going to rekick and probe this (partly since I started the thread Wink

) because what it seems obvious from the small poll sample (and other posts) is most forum members do/did not have faith in the family, and so now grappling with what they set out originally to have in the first place preBK...peace, love, family, ...a link to God.

Wasn't it the meditation to God that made you go and stay with the BKs ? Can you now really get that same "lightness" as those early days ? Where have you ended up now ?

Sam · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 47

I cast my vote definetely for the drama as being the thing I have least belief in.
Friendly Regards,
Sam.