XBK Chat (unofficial archive)

Tete · Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 169

Ex-London,
Paul,

I found this question and the answers on this search engine (paid search). The name is odd, so please look on the second post for the information and links. Has anyone heard of Mr. Smith? Is any of this true? I know the financial ones have some merit but the others require someone like you two. I have seen the confession one before on other sites. Does it have any merit or is this urban myth about the BKs? Confused

I will look forward to seeing what you think about the allegation made on this site about the BKs.

Thanks,
Tete

http://www.medical-239.biz/v18/threadview-id=206345.htm

zhukov · Joined: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 86

(c) “The unfounded claims that it operates under the UN (United
Nations Organization). The truth is that the cult has only rented some
assembly rooms that belong to the UN, to organize seminars. While the
UN has forbidden to the cult to claim that it operates under its
auspices, Brahma Kumaris insists on misleading people in this way.”

AFAIK from what others on here have said previously, this is true Confused

Tete · Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 169

Zhukov,

Did you go to the links where Mr. Smith has posted his opinion? Is the confessions part true? How about the Para amour assertions? : Embarassed

I did see one story where they (BKs) were being monitored by law enforcement under similar assertions like the ones Mr. Smith speaks of. I assumed they were just lumped in with all the other organization and that it didn't have any merit. Shocked

Thanks for looking considering the name of the search engine. I didn't want to put the name here as I didn't want a reprimand.

Hopefully Ex-London will comment. He seems to have deep insight and passion for these things (exposing them).

Regards,

Tete

administrator · Site Admin Joined: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 48

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jim brady · Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 19

Just to put it on record. Dadi Janki has always been touted by the BKWSU as one of the greatest minds on the planet. One thing that always puzzled me was why after having lived in the West for 30/40 years she always spoke in Hindi. Laborious translations doubled the length of her monologues and dialogues. Why did she not bother to learn English and save us all a whole heap of time? Surely that wouldn't be too difficult for someone with such an amazing intellect?

Can anyone throw some light?

Jim Brady

John · Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 157 Location: UK

The only thing I heard was that she could learn if she wanted, but that would take away from her remembrance time.

When I was in Madhuban, she had a morning class around 10 or 11. A lot of BKs, mainly double foreign asked to not have the class because, well to be frank we needed a bit of a breather. Her response was that we were all full of ego for not wanting the classes Confused

jim brady · Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 19

I remember having to sit through a 3 to 4 hour class once with Dadi Janki. Due to weather conditions I couldn't escape. It took days for me to recover, my head was spinning so much, the rambling soliloquy and the lengthy translations just went on and on, I thought it would never end. My faith took a hammering that day.

Jim Brady

jim brady · Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 19

Question for ex BKs

Is it true that double foreigners were given preferential treatment in Madhuban? I remember queuing up to get a personal meeting with "Baba" and seeing hordes of what seemed like poor Indians having to make do with just a group meeting. I never fully followed up on it. the only answer given, as far as I can remember, was that since we had travelled from so far away we were therefore more deserving, or something like that. A rather poor answer. Stupidly I let it go.

Jim Brady

jim brady · Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 19

Came across an article recently about “Phineas Gage” a construction foreman who in 1848 suffered a serious head injury when a 3-foot iron rod went right though his brain. Despite the massive injuries Gage was still conscious and expressed concern that he might have to miss work for a couple of days. When the bar was removed it left behind a hole 3½ inches in diameter. Ten weeks later Gage appeared to have made almost a full recovery. According to BK literature (I think it was Jagdish): “It is recorded that (Gage) remained sensible and rational until recovery and lived normally afterwards for many years…..From a study of such cases, it is clear that the simplistic notion that brain mechanisms alone are responsible for our powers of thinking, remembering, creating, learning and reasoning, cannot account for the documented facts. If a specific system were truly responsible for thinking, then damage to that system should lead to diminished performance of the thinking process. In practice this does not occur.”

What Jagdish failed to mention is that Gage’s personality and behaviour changed significantly after the accident. Where before he was likeable, responsible and socially adept, afterwards he became crude, vulgar, unreliable and insensitive. He lost all idea of monetary value and became obsessed with telling fantastic lies about his past experiences.

“Initially Gage was used to show there isn’t any localisation of the brain,” says Dr. Richard Tyler of Harvard University. “But many years later when they realised he had this personality change, he was used as an example for localisation.”

Yours
Jim Brady

Joel · Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 102

John · Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 157 Location: UK

wasn't it seasonal. i.e. a Double foreigner season and another season for Bharatwasis. Maybe because they came not at there alloted dates/time they just had group meetings, then in there own season they could have personnal meetings. Being closer to madhuban they could have gone more often.

Paul · Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Posts: 72

kyra · Joined: 19 Apr 2004 Posts: 66

hi jim. many great posts and points you have raised. was like reading my own thoughts. kyra