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Paul · Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Posts: 72

Looks like Shiv Baba has competition. J Z Knight has allegedly been channeling "Ramtha" since February 1977. Knight recently appeared on the Coast to coast show. For those who have "Coast" membership, here is the link:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2005/02/10.html

And here is some info (from the same webpage) about Ramtha:

uddhava · Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Posts: 142 Location: Paramdham

wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England

Atma · Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Posts: 98

Kikas · Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 21

It is possible to experience the power that you are saying that only the BKs have, in other places or with other people. The thing is are you going to become dependent of that power or are you going to become that power yourself?
I don't know who Shiv Baba is or where he is from, but I know he is not the only one...

I have experienced power with Trigueirinho, with other low-profile Iniciates that I met as well, and I know others that have other means to experience some sort of divine power if they want to and don't belong any organization, the thing is that they don't say you need their power or put themselves on a higher level than you so that you become dependent but what I hear them say is how many people are becoming that powerful themselves and that anyone can be. Anyway I wont fall into much detail here, believe if you want. But do your own research and get your evidence. I have mine already.

I don't know we humans tend to have such lust for power over anything else. I see that there can be power in many things, how do you think Hitler hipnotysed so many germans? Just a human being??? pleaase!! The question is if there is love, truth, inner freedom and the spiritual development with personal responsability, respect, and it's unlimetedness of Spirit, cause in the BKs to be a bk or a deity is your maximum achievment of spirituality, for me that is just another ilusion to keep you trapped, crystalized in a repetitive cicle that you can't get out, while you believe in it. Oh well, each one's free will anyway.

But my advice is, if you think your Baba is the only one keep it, but if you really what interests you is the truth more than a reward in some perfect heaven of a dreamy matrix where all are sleeping then "seek and you shall find", otherwise keep cristalized on that philosophie if it makes you feel more safer.
Each of us is different, some people accept anything in exchange for what they want, and some people are even willing to quit a promised hapiness to find what is really lying under and above things.

The real power is You when you know who You really is. But knowing is not cristalizing...

And like Gy said totally read David Icke...
Maybe you get to see what Shiva and some of his fellows may possibly really be.

But now with total respect for BKs whatever you do never give in to any sort of fear, it's worse than anything else, stay with your Baba if you really want to but never with fear especially of the threats of what it may happen to you if you not the perfect one, that is the best way to control anyone.

wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England

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Kikas · Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 21

Wahl, I may have similar views to Kevin and many other people, but it seems to me that you still haven't gone out from the bk way of thinking, cause they only see things from a tuneled view. I'm talking other colors here and only percieve the colors that the BKs say to only exist. When you talk about soul consciusness you still talk from the much bk view, not really wanting to check out if there is only one way to be soul councious. So it's not my fault that if Chinese and China is the only country and language you know when I talk of Jupiter you only see from a Chinese that thinks that China is all there is.

I don't think power is only manipulation, but I think people want power, before love and when it happens like that then honey, yes you can be sure that there is manipulation... yeah but now you can say that your Baba gives a lot of love. The question is not receiving love or power, is you becoming it, from inside, without anyone controling you or manipulating you, and this bk people do control and do manipulate.

I didn't talk of power of love here, cause in this context they are not the exact same thing. Power of love is one thing, love is another thing and power is another thing. Power of love you don't control it, it owns you without you even think about it, but for you to really know what it is you have to go beyond of what you think you know, knowingly. If I try to explain it you won't get it, cause your views haven't expand much than the small little bk world. It's like explaining to you of somethinhg that only exits in Jupiter and you can't think of anything that doesn't exists in China.

Sorry i really don't have the patience it would be exausting to explain advanced maths to someone that only thinks like a three year old.

Kevin tried...

Oh and btw i'm much better with my anger now, thank you very much, but now you take a piece of advice, you better acknowledge some of the things you don't like to see, otherwise they will own you before you know.
Rolling Eyes

wahl · Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 187 Location: Essex, England

Kikas · Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 21

I started that sentence with sorry, but I say it again Wahl "i'm sorry "now for hurting your feelings. See i'm not such a bad person after all.

But anyway i don't wish you wrong though I feel there are barriers of comunication around here, I can't open peoples heads to make them understand what I mean.

Hope your mind can become more broader and mature, maybe then we can talk.
Anyway i'll be doing that work myself as I have been.

Love for you.