Gay BKs

I think we are headed off to a new topic here to "Young, Gifted and Queer", or may be "Young, Gyani and Gay". Although I am sure that there must be an equivalent number of older fags and dykes in amongst the family.

My wonder if that, to be honest, having watched the BK family from afar as part and parcel of the New Age movement ... I really do not see ANYONE genuinely changing their sanskars or personality THAT much. It all seems to come down to some tiny infinitessimal veneer; a change of "language", a change of clothes and new jobs for a previous unemployable bunch of ex-actors, would be nuns or priest. (I notice that quite a few New Age groups/cults/gurus attract ex-actors who do very well in the system because of their talents at self-presentation).

These folks that stick Gyan out, what or where would they have been if they had been born 50 or 100 years ago? Lay preachers? Guru followers ... rien ne change plus.

It is interesting how a minority's sexuality can polarize communities, e.g. homosexually (which itself is in the process of been transcended by pan and trans-sexuality) is at one and the same time a "sign of the New Age", e.g. the balance of Yin and Yang; and a "sign of the end of the corrupt old world, e.g. a break downs of morality and a gutter of vice - a la the Roman Empire - so much so that it cannot even be conceived of with the BK family.

Has anyone been brave enough to churn this ocean of sin and come up with an definitive analysis of what is going on at an soul/energetic/cosmic level from a BK, ex-BK or PBK point of view?

Walk this way, please ...

"Sing if you're Glad to BK"

"Sing if you're Glad to BK"

Originally, "Glad to be gay", a song written by Tom Robinson for the London Gay Pride march in 1976 and consequent hit. Listen to the tune, and singalong.

The Indian BKs are the best in the world
Don't believe any of these stories that you've heard
'Bout them banishing others for no reason at all
Lining the PBKs up by the wall
Dragging them off up and knocking them down
Its their karma as they're kicked on the ground
Whether senior BKs or the Security Wing
Let the world see the sadness they bring

Sing if you're glad to BK
Sing if you're happy that way
Sing if you're glad to BK
Sing if you're happy that way

Photos of Brahma and Dadis are fun
Though its says in the Murlis, it shouldn't be done
Accusing ex-BKs and calling them impure
You've no idea sort of thing happens we endure
They don't charge money but the income is great
The mortgage is in your name but its their real estate
Its one rule for them and one rule for you
To go to the Golden Age you have to be a fool

Sing if you're glad to BK
Sing if you're happy that way
Sing if you're glad to BK
Sing if you're happy that way

So sit back and watch as they remove a website
They are working for God, so wrong must be right
But your center in charge, will read your letter to Baba
Senior BKs passing it from one to another
Lie to your wife, lie to your folks
Put down the ex-BK, how the lokiks are jokes
Non-BKs are Shudras, join the BK laughter
But you know what it is that the BKWSU is after

(... their money or status will do fine!) So ... 2 ... 3 ... 4 ...

Sing if you're glad to BK
Sing if you're happy that way
Sing if you're glad to BK
Sing if you're happy that way

In answer to ex-l's question about our churnings about the cosmic/universal energies regarding this newly outed subject matter, I wish to categorically state with great detail and authority that there is most certainly a cosmic/universal/astrological connection:

Seen on Hans Solos Space ship in the first Star Wars Movie was a bumper sticker that read such:

"I love Uranus"

Question answered?

I remember speaking to one gay (ex-gay?) BK - I wont name them - and they admitted that after coming into Gyan, they started have erotic attraction/dreams for members of the oppositie sex for the first time. That is what they said.

Is BK a "cure" for being queer? Do straights have to move over sideways to become what is thought of as being gay to get into the Golden Age, e.g. Brothers become more feminine and Sisters become more masculine, vice versa or does the BKWSU system just reward the more sexually ambiguous individuals?

For example, is camp in a Brother good for service and butch in a Sister good for running a center? Do BKs, in single sex environments, adopt dominant and submissive positions to each other as in a mock heterosexual relationships or as a conpensationf or having a real relationship?

I used to tease two Brothers who sneaked off and bought a flat together, starting to pay a mortgage together even thought "The End of the World" was going to come an moment, that they were living in a celibate gay partnership. Who is laughing now? That mortgage will probably be paid off by now and the property value risen 100%!!!

It pays to relate.

and they admitted that after coming into Gyan, they started have erotic attraction/dreams for members of the oppositie sex for the first time.

Perhaps this person enjoyed domination or played a subservient sexual role pre-gyan?

Is BK a "cure" for being queer?

Not a term I prefer to hear but I understand the context in which its posted. The answer is NO. I myself had to several times stop some visiting Brother from coming onto me, I think its actually a power 'thing' where sexually some people take power/energy from another ... and confuse it as 'love' or 'sex' --- we (as humanity) do seem to follow that which we perceive to be powerful and strong ...

Do straights have to move over sideways to become what is thought of as being gay to get into the Golden Age, e.g. Brothers become more feminine and Sisters become more masculine, vice versa or does the BKWSU system just reward the more sexually ambiguous individuals?

Again I feel that the answer to this is no. However, I'd like to say that spiritually one may be seen as Androgynous in nature ... not ambiguous. It seems to me that the BK movie does project a picture of androgyny and not ambiguity?

Do BKs, in single sex environments, adopt dominant and submissive positions to each other as in a mock heterosexual relationships or as a conpensation for having a real relationship?

The pecking order must contain an element of sexual power/prowess even if its unspoken as such? Several very sexually frustrated BK Sisters I remember were seen as 'weak' in their ability to not think about men in sexual ways and were always delegated or chose to be bottom of the heap because of it. Its seems that the stronger they were able to divorce their sexual needs from their dharna, the higher their position in terms of the hierarchy involved.

I used to tease two Brothers who sneaked off and bought a flat together, starting to pay a mortgage together even though "The End of the World" was going to come any moment, that they were living in a celibate gay partnership. Who is laughing now? That mortgage will probably be paid off and the property value risen 100%!!!

Clever Boys. Wonder where they are now eh? Swimming in the Caribbean ...

I used to tease two Brothers who sneaked off and bought a flat together, starting to pay a mortgage together even thought "The End of the World" was going to come an moment, that they were living in a celibate gay partnership. Who is laughing now? That mortgage will probably be paid off by now and the property value risen 100%!!!

If they are celibate, then why call them gay? cannot they be called Brothers?

In fact, ever since the number of BK Kumars, i.e. unmarried male BKs has increased since the 1970s, even Avyakt BapDada has advocated that instead of choosing female companions they could live with fellow BK Kumars, but such company should be obstacle free (i.e. free from the obstacles of vices, including sex-lust).

"If the Kumars are obstacle free Kumars then such Kumars are praised as very great persons, because people of the world also feel for Kumar’s instead of Kumaris that it’s difficult that Kumars become eligible. Kumars can get a higher number (rank) than Kumaris, but the Kumars should be obstacles free, because mostly Kumars face an obstacle that they do not have a companion. We want a companion. So by some way or the other they make their company. Company creates the thought of making a companion. First, people come into a company, then they talk to each other, sit with each other, then they create a thought of making a companion. But there are such Kumars also who neither make any company nor any companion except one Father. The Kumars who always like in the company of Father are always prosperous. If the entire family is companion then it’s OK. But if the company of two, three or any one is required then it’s wrong. Finally you have to make the world bow before yourself and before the Father. Kumaris are mostly in the company of service, but Kumar get a thought of making company. So someone should establish Pandav Bhavan and become successful. But if you establish Pandav Bhavan today and then tomorrow if one Pandav goes in the Eastern direction and another goes in the Western direction, do not establish such a Pandav Bhavan. Baapdada is especially proud of Kumars that they are making efforts even while living alone. Why don't two or three Kumars live together as companions? They should be obstacles free companions of each other. [Avyakt Vani dated 27/11/89 published by the BKs in Hindi, narrated through BK Gulzar Dadi, translated by a PBK]

With regards,
OGS,
Arjun

If they are celibate, then why call them gay? cannot they be called Brothers?

Obviously it was a tease, they were a "happy couple" living together, but as a serious answer, it was a bit of a shock to discover two Pandavs had gone off, bought a house and started paying a mortgage together. Obviously there would have been some business talk together for them to have done so. In the West, property is an investment with high returns.

At the time, the only role models for "good" Pandavs were to live together in pandav bhavans, rented houses with 4, 5, 6, 7 living together even in "barrack style" (shared rooms), go and start centers as soon as their stage was good enough, or live singly in rented accommodation.

You have to appreciate, and this brings back negative mental states for me, that at the time we had "Destruction in two or three years" drummed into us for all our Brahmin life (brainwashing). There was no thought of the self, comforts, planning for the future, investing, looking after the self. It was all Maya.

There was no discussion of such practicalities for the juniors whilst obviously the Seniors was utterly conscious of it and planning. All the advice from Seniors was "Baba, Baba, Baba" and "surrender, surrender, surrender". All the emphasis was to give up the world, take low paid jobs and make service the focus of our lives. How could one have a 25 year mortgage, a pension fund, insurance, if the world was going to collapse soon and then end in Destruction? At at the time, the only people to buy houses together were married couples.

Thinking about it bring that time back to me do clearly. We were kept as imbeciles.

Hi ex-l, and every-one out there !!

Imbeciles indeed!!!

Sorry but concerning this subject, I had written some really intelligent stuff ... but it did not get-through. No joke there ... (thanx to the administrator ... really, I would quote again, but every day is a new challenge !!! No disrespect, any way, just a weird morning!!! .

So, I have writtten an e-mail to thee in the middle east, or europe, or america, or you name it.

Let's just get to the point. Despite your sexual tendency, if you're a GOOD GUY, you're OK.

Good to read all of your posts on this topic. I have no right to judge a gay experience since I don't recall one, but that I have good ex-BK and non-BK FRIENDS that have homosexual tendency", and it doesn't interfere in our friendly and respectful relationship.

During the time I was a BK, I remember not being able to share the sex-topics with "the family".

After all, the sexual issue is there: Was it? ... that Sisters go and sit on the right, and Brothers on the left ... (Or was it the other way round?

I cannot believe think how blind I could be to get into unnecessary situations; the "sharing room and toilet with other members of the same sex and not understanding their basic natural sexual gay tendencies". At the moment, I wouldn't walk around in my underwear with one good homosexual only friend. For the respect, I guess.