Seniors Education, have they had any?

I have read recently that Dadi Janki only had three years actual normal education, by today's standards that doesn't seem very much at all.

Her mantra seems to be that one doesn't need to think, have we gullibly accepted knowledge from unintelligent, unknowing souls?

Bearing in mind that the whole purpose of education is not just to inform individuals items of knowledge but to also teach how to form, structure, comprehend and compare both knowledge and the practise of it, and bring the individual into relationships with individuals (our Seniors) that actually hold society together.

What is passed on through education is not just knowledge but also the unspoken parts of methodology. "How to learn not just want to learn".

To be honest, can we say that the Dadis really compare with the natural born "avatars" that have existed? Are they really that genius? Or do we just need people to worship and be in awe of and they are the best we have and are allowed?

My feeling is that within the BKWSU, the emphasis is all on the mediumistic practises, i.e. the channelling of spirits and energy (even by those that do not know they are being silently lined up to do so, e.g. Joe BK), and in that the emptier the vessel and the less thought going on the better.

Interesting angle john.

The BKs always sell it the other way round, look what you can achieve even with no education when you have god.

Uneducated pundits. And, yes, one could look at what DJ&co have achieved, and even learn. Some people have done it, and turned all of that in a successful business.

Words can achieve a lot, in Kaliyug. People pay heaps of money to hear words. In the BKWSU, lecturers used to bestow discourses for free, unlike other sects where gurus charge $. One may or may not find DJ classes interesting and useful. In the end, after many years, how can they not be repetitive? Same words and concepts like beads of a necklaces strung in slightly different sequences and combinations.

One can learn how to use different convenient fronts, reinvent oneself, remarket oneself and many other skills. And in case one is not interested, one can make the enormous effort of finding - in the midst of all of those "useful, and revenue generating" things - some spiritual teachings they call "RajaYoga" that appear to me, more and more like a pinch of salt hidden in a sackful of flour.

The BKs always sell it the other way round, look what you can achieve even with no education when you have god

I am torn between thinking whether they intentionally 'fake' things or is it through ignorance, lack of education.

I mean what do you do if you're a surrendered BK and what you're being told just doesn't make any sense. By 'sense', I mean it doesn't add up with what you were told earlier or it just doesn't equate to what has actually happened.

There is something so 'weird' about the re-writes and cover ups, I cannot really put my finger on what though.

I am torn between thinking whether they intentionally 'fake' things or is it through ignorance, lack of education. There is something so 'weird' about the re-writes and cover ups, I cannot really put my finger on what though.

That is a very kindly and benign position to take, john, and I respect you for it. I might even join you at some point. Without wishing to cause offence to any of the Indian members of our forum, from a Western perspective "Indian reality" is also a little more flexible than the sort of post-scientific rationalism of the West and emotive, hagiographic renditions are a sort of unquestionable currency of faith amongst the God marketeers there. Turn up in white, carry a single rose, light a candle, appear profound by speak at length with long pauses; I have seen it done many a time by more than one guru ... but it appears, for sure, that they never expected to get caught out or be questioned by mere ignorant Shudras and their self image does not like it.

For me, is there is an element of pride and bluster there that they think they can just get away with re-writing facts and push their were through, perhaps? That they do not even have to answer to other Brahmins? You are right, it is weird.

Personally, if I was caught out, I'd stick my hands up and get to work with tidying matters up, not suppressing, ignoring them or considering legal action ... what else is there to do? Perhaps it goes back to the "sworn to secrecy" issue, that we picked up on earlier, that divides those that are sworn and those that know not.

My fear is that the whole truth will die out as they die out and all that will be left will be the sugar coated PR version. We really are witnessing the metamorphosis of the BKs into a religion based on legends rather than facts.

I think the weirdness is caused by the fact it shows a clear lack of faith ... I've always thought this about Jayanti for instance, that she actually doesn't believe in what BapDada says ... she, as the Admin head for Europe, is certainly not displaying the original qualities of the soul in the actions she takes ... and, let's face it, you can only truly be judged by your actions ,not what you say.

Perhaps it is not that she does not believe. Perhaps she just knows better.

I agree with you. It is not enough for individuals to show respect in words. One should always wait to see if they show respect in actions.

Hi. Maybe a bit off thread, but since you were talking about faith, I was reading today some Bhog messages given after DK's death (as you may notice, I haven't been in a terrible rush to get this nourishment, they are 2 months old!!) and I was struck by something I read in the one from "30 Aug via Mohinibhen, Madhuban". I summarize it: Baba was praising DK for her quality of always making the lesson of "haji " to Baba firm. "Yes sir" but it is not specified if it meant to the corporeal guru, Brahma Baba, or Shiva, some spook, or both, or to whom?

Next step: since she showed this total obedience, other students owed her the same obedience (aren't instructions passed down to us from God himself through SS?). Follow "Whatever Dadi says" and if one ever said NO, he would regret it (subtle threat and curse) and end up asking Dadi for forgiveness (poor Madhuban slaves!!).

The threat implied and common to all religions (do as I say, or you will burn in hell!!) is always surrounded and covered up by the mystic fog of "benefit". Really, shouldn't we call this with its name, "blind faith"?

How could we accept such a system and swallow and follow instructions unquestioning, as if it was nectar? Is it a need some souls have to be taken in charge by others and give up their will, decision making power and rationality? Could it be due to some tiredness the soul has about taking responsabilities all the time throughout one or more lifetimes?