ex-l wrote:But surely we were not asked, and did not ask others, to "believe without proof" ... all we were asked was to "suspend our disbelief". "Suspending one's disbelief" is not actually the same thing as "believing". You see, a Bhagat "believes"; a Gyani "suspends their disbelief" ... and all their other critical powers and self-sovereignty along with it.
Yes, yes, yes ex-l, these are the exact areas that the churnings then go it. A BKWSU "operative" will even acknowledge your critical faculties by urging you not to believe but simply to explore the possibility of x,y,z.
This "suspend your belief" oblox may well appeal - in the sense of sounding impressively enlightened and the sense of call out to us - to an image we have/wish to have of ourselves as being independent and capable of arrivig at our own conclusions blah, blah, blah. Basically it is like a BIG ego stroking.
But on a subtle level the truth is that it was the oblox that opened us up and so it is the oblox that gets the glory. I do not have scientific proof of any of this but I am just sharing some thoughts that i had. And we all know that if you ask any BK for proof about anything they accept as truth, they will look at you as if you are completely mad.
mr green wrote:Now, that was an interesting reply and much nearer to what I am trying to understand here. It's just I have accepted now I was a Bhagat after all!!!!!!!!! It blows my mind to think this. Abek, I would take it a step further and suggest that any member of any religion who feels they have found the truth also thinks all the things you suggest we feel and think on joining Gyan Bhakti.
Ah mr. green very nice advance on the topic. Yes ANY religion. Someone wiser than I am offered the following point to think about: A fundemantalist will never ever change his/her mind about their beliefs. Not even in the face of contrary proof. Not even in the face of scientific proof.
The fundamentalist believes his/her cause has been mandated from on High. And heaven forbid if one attacks the "sacred cows" of their beliefs. Wars are fought over this stuff, so i hear. Maybe we go a little further later on and examine how it is that the fundamentalist believes that the rest of the world - or at least his direct adversaries - are all wrong. While he alone is right. And for the time being one last thought in this area: The religious fundamentalist believes that it is his/her duty to ensure that no energy is spared in making you see that theirs is the ONLY way (service).
This is dangerous Gyan - not for kids
Of course today in 2007, the BKWSU has been able to greatly polish-up its act in all of these areas but as ex-l said suspending dis-belief is a key component in us taking onboard and passing on the New Age Bhakti. The invitation to suspend dis-belief may be the first breach that the BKWSU makes in our psyche.