Brahma Kumaris Info - the Truth about BK Meditation

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delusions of grandeur - a delusion (common in paranoia) that you are much greater and more powerful and influential than you really are

Does BKSWU trigger off more psychotic fantasist's than most other religions?

I am not talking your average BK follower, but the ones who go on to think they are Shankar or Vishnu or Shiva or whatever title they want, to create a sense of importance for themselves.

john wrote:Does BKSWU trigger off more psychotic fantasist's than most other religions.

Yes. And delusions full-stop.

Well I think Shiva through Shankar BKdimok has left the forum, for a while at least.

What was he all about and why? I am puzzled

I thought bansy raised an important issue. How do the BKWSU deal with BKs that go nuts?

Walk away quietly and say nothing ... ? What is the difference between believing you are an angel or light or God and ... believing you are an angel or light or God? The number of other people that believe you.

I guess it is a bit like mental health in general. If you are poor and weak, you are mad; if you are rich and powerful, you are eccentric.

How do the BKWSU deal with BKs that go nuts?

Of all the interminable debates and back and forth posts over the Shiv Shankar Dimik Br, I feel that this is the core issue and question emerging and worthy for us to investigate on. It also relates to one of the original and main aims for which this Forum was started; "Duty of care".

I never came across really blatant cases of people going nuts in the centers. In fact, the policy is; as soon as someone is causing trouble, push him to the margins and get rid of him, don't talk about it much with students. Denial and avoidance, as usual.

As a matter of fact, one of the rules in Madhuban, enunciated in Murlis too and visible on the board at the entrance, is not allowing access to those who create disturbance. Fine. What if some latent or minor "disturbance" emerges or gathers strenght whilst the person is practicing Raja Yoga meditation or as he becomes frequent caller of a center? Who is responsible? Anybody aware of official guidelines, if there are any?

I remember one sweet Sister in Brazil, she was 'going nuts', not being heard and could not express herself, and all that ... and the center-in-charge just said, "let her go, she needs to see a professional, she is not strong enough to be a Brahmin" !!! So sad ... so wrong ...

It happens quite a lot, they are just told to stop coming.

alladin wrote:In fact, the policy is; as soon as someone is causing trouble, push him to the margins and get rid of him, don't talk about it much with students. Denial and avoidance, as usual. Who is responsible?

And, who is to judge? Especially when it appears that the practise has bring on mental conditions?

To put the problem into perspective, on one side you have the "traditional" Indian approach to mental health (e.g. none, karma, superstition, evil spirits), on the other you have a set of beliefs and lifestyle that if you honest told them to any mental health doctor, they would probably suggest counselling.

In dysfunctional families, it is often the strong child than "manifests" the problems reacting and rejecting the family's illness. Are we being seen by the official leadership as "troublemakers" to be barred and gotten rid of? The PBKs certainly are.

Thanks for your testimony. More are welcome. It's in accordance with the BK caste philosophy by which Brahmins should not be contaminated by shudras in anyway.

We all collected comments from lokik realtives and friends on how merciless, selfish and cold BKs are. And we all know, since we belonged to the clan, that the justification for such inhuman behaviour, would be very "elevated", maybe too "unlimited " for ordinary people to understand. BKs do not do heavy jobs, their task is unique and predestined by Drama and God. They do what ordinary people cannot: help souls through subtle service and goodwishes, the equivalent of reciting prayers in religions, or lighting up candles for someone. Enough for the supposed to be Yogi souls 's consciences to feel at ease. Who can beat them?

As a matter of fact, I do believe in the effect of positive thoughts, good feelings, lighthouse and mighthouse stages, but;

a) Why shoud such practise discount a BK from taking action on a practical level as well, and provides instead a cover up for the unwillingness to get involved (with other people's dramas) or feel compassionate towards others?
b) How many souls are seriously busy and motivated in creating a powerful Yoga stage and spreading good vibes? More and more, the attention goes on external visible service in a that unbalanced way Baba himself warned us about many times.

Last thing, according to legislation, in most country, adults cannot be forced to undergo medications and treatments against their will. So, lots of addicts and mentally disturbed people, do not get any help.

But ... since BKs are so persuasive and manipulating when they want, couldn't they also use their capacity in a positive way and make sure that suffering souls do get proper help somewhere, rather than just shutting the doors on their faces and forgetting about them as if they had to avoid a plague stricken person?

alladin wrote:BKs do not do heavy jobs, they help souls through subtle service and good wishes.

Yes, I can confirm that. I have had it used on me. A BK not willing to work hard because "it was not Avyakt". What a good excuse. But I suppose they need to practise being Royal and having servants around them ...