Avakyt Dadiji - Dadi Prakashmani's Death

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Post07 Sep 2007

This is the Avyakt Murli spoken by BapDada. When I get the copy of the Bhog message that came later I'll post it on the Avyakt Dadiji thread.
On Thursday, 6th September 2007, at the time of offering special Bhog for Dadiji -11.30 am

06/09/07 Madhuban Avyakt BapDada Om Shanti 06/09/07

Dadiji has the button to open the curtain of revelation in her hand; all of you become co-operative in this.

Today, BapDada the Lord became present when the children who are the masters invited Him. BapDada sees every child as the crown on His head. BapDada saw that the beloved Dadiji of all of you, because of her own desire, while staying in her "nirsankalp samadhi" (her contemplation of staying beyond any thoughts) and her sadhana (spiritual endeavour), with her own desire to experience doing fast unlimited service like the Father, and in order to experience the stage of being a companion, a detached observer and equal, reached the Father in the Subtle Region. Together with that, all of you also experienced that from the beginning until the end, she had altruistic love, and made spiritual endeavour of being beyond any sinful thoughts, and was beyond any situations and praise and loved by all.

This impact of her life and the vibrations of pure love spread everywhere in this land and abroad naturally and easily, without any effort and without anyone speaking of it. Even without being called, the zeal and enthusiasm is emerging naturally in each one's heart to give a response oflove. This is the visible impact of the stage of being loving, co-operative and equal. In Dadi's life, there was just the one thought: Now, we should spread the
sound ofthe Father's revelation as quickly as possibe.

So revelation - through the revelation of Dadi, the first chapter, the short chapter of the revelation of the World Spiritual University and of BapDada, has begun. The question has arisen in the mind and in the hearts of everyone who sees you: Who are these people? What is this spiritual university? First, there is the question: What is this? Who are they? Then, the reply, "This is who they are, this is what they are", will come in front of them. Dadi had just the one enthusiasm to do something new, that service should be of an unlimited form. So, naturally and easily, the big flag of the introduction is being hoisted.

Now, all of you have to show practically by being embodiments of love and enable this flag of revelation to be hoisted high. Dadi is holding the button in her hand for putting on the switch for the flag of revelation and opening the curtain of revelation. So, all of you are companions in this, are you not? You have a lot of love for Dadi, do you not? So, Dadi became, ever-ready and free from attachment with her own desire; everyone was standing in front of her, but nevertheless, the image that was free from attachment flew away, in such a way as though Dadi followed Father Brahma. She passed in the part of "suddenly". She gave all of you loving souls a signal ofthis final lesson. Now, you have to think about yourself.

Dadi is holding in her hand the button to open the curtain of revelation. How can you become co-operative in that part? It will not take time to press the button, but before opening the curtain of revelation, are those who are to hoist the flag of revelation high, the companions who have a special part ever-ready? Now, do not think that you residents of a centre or residents of Madhuban are limited servers. No. You are the ones who have a special part on the world stage. Now, together with the revelation of Dadi, the vision of the whole world is on all of you.

The vision of the souls of the world is on all of you - who are called Brahma Kumars or Kumaris, whether you are young or old, whether you are an instrument for any task, even if you are an instrument for a small task, the vision of each one is on you. Do you feel that you have this much responsibility on you? Or, do you look at the Seniors? The Seniors know! The power of the gathering is required for this. This is a spiritual fortress. Every brick of the fortress is responsible.

To believe yourself to be a Brahma Kumar or Kumari means that you are a soul who is an instrument for the revelation of this spiritual fortress. Every brick of this fortress is responsible. Whether it is brick at the bottom, a brick in the middle or a brick at the top, if even one brick shakes, it influences everything. So, you have love for Dadi, but what is it that Dadi loves? BapDada saw that, in return of Dadi being an image of love, she received unlimited love. However, what is it that Dadi loves now?

Dadi says: Put aside the things of yesterday. Don't even think about the things of today; but now Now, you, who are going to raise the flag of revelation high, show your complete form of a high stage. So, all tho~e who are sitting here now - Dadi was saying - ask everyone: In order to fulfil my thoughts and Baba's thoughts, no matter what you have to transform, what you have to tolerate, even if you have to have feelings of mercy, if you have to make your words (speech) pure, if you have to make your natural nature that of good wishes and pure feelings - Dadi had asked Me to ask you - are you ready to accept this one thing of mine, are you ready to become equal to me? So speak! Are you ready? Don't raise your hands, just like that. Raise the hand of your heart.

It is not a big thing to raise your physical hands, but in a symbolic way, you still have to raise those (physical) hands. No matter what happens, I have to change. You have to change and change the situations. It should not be: "This one is like this, this one is like that, this one is doing this, this one is doing that". That one will be like that, but what do you have to do? You have to become equal to Dadi, do you not? Dadi demonstrated this by working with so many for so many years. It was not just for one or two years; whether they were young or old, whether they were those who were doing physical work, those who were giving lectures, those from the different zones or Dadis and Dadas.

She became free from attachment, did she not? Did she remember anyone at the end? Did she? You were standing in front of her. If anyone had any awareness, that life-force would have appeared. You experienced that she remained a goddess of peace - she showed having equal feelings, elevated feelings and the practical form. No one else has ever renounced their life-force in this way - all of you were standing around her and seeing that she was going, she was going. This was the first example in the history. BapDada was in her heart, but in the corporeal form all of you were in front of her. No one else has taken leave in this way.

So, did you hear what you have to do now? Did you hear? Did you listen with attention? Did those sitting at the back hear? Achcha, those who feel that no matter what happens, no matter how much you have to tolerate you have to transform yourself, raise your hand! Is it a firm, strong hand or is there a little" fluctuation, internally? It should not be, "We shall see, we will try". No. You are not those who say that you will see about it some time in the future, are you? Is it like that? No. Very good.

Your message was given to Dadi. Dadi says that she will especially come and have a heart-to-heart conversation. The love and feelings of all of you are so clear in front of Dadi that it is as though it is visible just ahead. Dadi h~ toured around and noted what is really the state of someone's mind. She was saying that she will come and tell about it. No matter how much someone hides something, nothing can be hidden in the Subtle Region. The instruments there are spiritual instruments. Achcha.

To all the children everywhere who show the practical form of love for Dadi, just as Dadi demonstrated in her practical life by following Father Brahma, in the same way, follow the Father and the specially beloved child Dadi; BapDada is looking at the companion souls who will open the curtain of revelation and hoist the flag of revelation. Children of this land and abroad are making plans to become equal with a lot of zeal and enthusiasm. You have to bring that day close. Not when the time comes, but you have to bring that time close.

To all the children everywhere who are self-transformers and who have determined thoughts - whether they are seeing this transmission, whether they are in front of Baba (physically present) or not, BapDada and Dadi are also seeing the children at all the Gita pathshalas everywhere. To all of the Father's companions and Dadi's companions, to the Brahmin souls, each one of you accept love, remembrance and namaste according to your name and speciality.

Dadi continues to come to your class. It is not that she doesn't come. She also continues to tour around the samadhi place (where the cremation took place) that you created. However, she wants to have heartto-heart conversations with you a lot and this is why a little time is needed. However, Dadi's 12 days are now finishing. Dadi is having to playa special part in the corporeal world for name's sake in order to carry out a special, unique and lovely essential task. However, Dadi's birth and her task are extremely unique. Baba will come and tell the detail of that later.

BapDada too has to play the part that is fixed in the drama and enable others to play their part. Baba will tell later what the alokikta (uniqueness) of this is. Is this OK? All of those in the first row, are you OK? Are the Dadis OK? Are the Pandavas OK? All the Pandavas are all right, are you not? Double follow. Always remember three words of Dadi. Instrument (nimit), humble (nirman) pure words (nirmal Vani).

At every moment, before beginning any task, have these words in your awareness. The task may change, but the awareness of these three words should not change. No matter how difficult a task may be, just as you have the three - BapDada' Didi and Dadi, in the same way, never forget these three words. Before beginning any task, first remember this and then begin your task and you will quickly and easily become equal to Dadi. Achcha. What are we going to do now?

(All Dadis meeting BapDada.) First Dadi Ninnal Shanta met Baba and then the other Dadis.
Dadi Nirmal Shanta: You have galloped well. The aim that you have kept is becoming practical. Congratulations for that.

Manohar Dadi: You have been a co-operative soul from the beginning of the Yagya. "I am co-operative and 1 will remain co-operative". Underline this because the Dadis are the decoration. So, not a single one of you Dadis should be missed. Just say, "Ha ji", and you will receive strength. Say, "Ha ji", and then see. "I have to do this. No matter how much others try to stop me, 1 have to do this." You are Dadi's friend, are you not? So, Dadi never said ''No''. In every task, she said, "Ha ji, ha ji". Just do the same.

Ratanmohini Dadi: You are an all-rounder. Now, all the Dadis have to show their special part to the gathering. Everyone's vision naturally goes towards the Pandavas and the Dadis. You are, you are doing and will continue to do. It is good.

What will the Pandavas do? All three of you come! (Nirwairbhai, Rameshbhai and Brijmohanbhai). What do all three of you now have to do? Three words were Dadi's speciality. Young and old, all used to feel that they belonged. Out of everyone, Dadi gave the maximum feeling of belonging to everyone. These Dadis are also like that, but this was Dadi' s speciality to a greater extent. So, the duty of all of you should also be like that. The duty and meeting of all of you should be such that everyone feels that you belong to them; they should experience the feeling of belonging; not just those who are performing a duty.

The more you bring the feeling, the more ... Why did Dadi receive so much response of love? Whether someone was a VIP or anyone else, they used to feel that they belonged, they used to say, "She is our Dadi". Even now, they are saying, "Dadi Maa, Dadi Maa". It is not just words, but they are saying it from their heart. This is the result of giving the experience of belonging. Just as everyone's vision is on the Dadis, in the same way, it is also on the instrument Pandavas. So you will have to do this. You will have to do it, will you not? Won't you? You have to do it.

Now, whether it was the media people, VIPs or ordinary people, everyone paid a tribute to Dadi, even while sitting at home. Even if they did not come, the majority of people watched on TV. They became co-operative in paying a tribute, and so this World Spiritual University will not remain hidden. They have opened their eyes towards each of your activities: those who are wrong will see it negatively and those who are right will see it positively, but their special eye is now on you.

According to that, all of you together will have to create a powerful atmosphere at all the places, because Dadi has brought you into the vision of the world. Firstly, because of the lady who has to become the President (Mrs Pratibha Patil) and secondly, because of Dadi, you have all come under everyone's vision to a greater extent. So everyone's vision is especially on this university. Therefore, underline this. Did you hear?

Munniben: (Baba, Dadi's cottage now feels quiet.) Even now, keep that as a place of service. (What should 1 pay attention to?) Just as Dadi used to do, always smiling, a powerful vision, merciful feelings, feelings of contentment, continue to give everyone the apple of contentment. Don't send anyone away empty-handed. (I am remembering Dadi a lot.) Of course you will remember her. How is it possible that you would forget her? Of course you will remember her for some time, because of having been together in the corporeal form; you have lived with her 24 hours a day. Of course you will remember her. Dadi will come to meet you. A date has not been fixed yet, but she will definitely come.

Dadi Janki: (Tomorrow, Dadi is going abroad): You have been given leave, but a short cut (a short trip). It has already been made.

Mohiniben: (Now what should 1 do?) Give everyone the experience of Dadi. Dadi's part is such that she will come whenever she wants and you will have that feeling. You already have the experience of the Subtle Region. You will have a feeling of that. BapDada will make her play the best part of all. Simply remember these three words before every action. Do service. Remain busy in all-round service. Remain busy here. Previously, you did not have time to do all-round service, now give time for that. Good service will take place. Don't worry. The Father is with you.

(The group of those who served Dadiji came in front of BapDada): Very good. It is such a good group. Look, according to the drama, each one of you played your own part, and all of you have played a good part, but now, through self-transformation, also transform the atmosphere. The qualifications of the Father should be visible in you. Just as in a lokik way, you see their Father's character and features in many children. So, the Father's qualifications should be visible in each one of you.

What will happen when you have those qualifications? The aim will become clear. Nowadays, they have an elevated aim, but they don't have those qualifications. You make the aim clear through your qualifications because everyone's vision falls on the qualifications. So, to the extent that your behaviour is full of those qualifications, accordingly the aim will automatically be revealed. "Who are these? What do they want to do?" OK, whoever it is something happens with, situations will happen. It is a rosary, it is numberwise.

Don't say, "Why is this one doing this? Why does this happen?" No. What do I have to do? In what way can I help in such a situation? If you are unable to do anything, then step aside! However, don't go along with the flow of that atmosphere. If you instrument souls remain in such a stage, an atmosphere will automatically be created. You won't feel it to be hard work. You just have to do it. That is all. Is this OK?

The Shakti Army is no less. The Shaktis are no less. I have to make the atmosphere elevated. Even if something trivial happens, do not repeat it. To speak about it to one means for it to go to the ears of many. One who is introverted is always happy. Dadi showed the feeling of belonging spiritually, not in a physical way. That is the result of belonging. One is of being beyond and up above and the other is of belonging. She also gave signals, she did not keep it in her heart. It would be on her tongue and it would finish. She did not keep it in her heart.

In the same way, you are instruments. So, it is most essential for those who are instruments to follow Dadi. Not everyone has power; they are numberwise. Give them cooperation, give them power, have mercy and give them spiritual love because everyone's vision, in this land and abroad, is now on the instrument souls because the media has made it clear about Dadi. Now, everyone's vision is on you. "What is happening? What is happening?" They will think in this way even more. "What is it? How is it?" Therefore, make this fortress strong.

You are instruments. Even though only a few souls have come, everyone will hear this. Even so, you have reached here and so congratulations! You have become ever-ready, have you not? Together with Dadi, all of you also played the part of being ever-ready. So, it is fine. Each one of you should consider yourself to be an instrument. I am an instrument to make the atmosphere powerful. Others are not this, they are numberwise, whereas you are instruments. Very good. Is it OK?

(Meeting the Sisters who served Dadi): You all did very good service. (We remember Dadi a lot.) Of course you will remember her. Will BapDada not remember her when she leaves BapDada's Subtle Region? Baba wi111 remember her. However, there is service. She is the Dadi of the world, not just of Madhuban. All of you have served with love, so even now, do the service of becoming equal! This is the return of love. Achcha.

The Pandavas have also been good in service. Pandavas also did good service. You showed the form of love. Everyone gave good co-operation according to your service. Now, become companions in the service of making the atmosphere powerful just as you remained companions in serving Dadi because everyone's vision is now on you and are wondering what you will do. They will see what you are doing. Everyone's vision is here. So, you should do such things that songs of "Wah Wah" begin to be sung. The practical form of Dadi's love should be visible through your behaviour. It will be visible because you had love for her. All of you have passed in the subject of love. The certificate of love is very good. Achcha.

BapDada took leave and went back to the Subtle Region. When Dadi Guizar came back from the Subtle Region, she related the scene of the Subtle Region.

In fact, Dadi's farewell is to take place in the evening. This is why Baba said: I have come back having met everyone. Dadi also met them. Dadi said: Baba is sending me, but the experiences that I have had over the 12 days were very beautiful experiences, and many things that I would otherwise not have seen, that I had not been able to see, I was able to see. She related this and said: Baba is now sending me and it was my thought that I should not take another birth, but Baba has explained the secrets to me and this is why I am going in happiness. We also felt: How could Baba send her like that?

So Dadi said: I have understood Baba's secrets and this is why I am going in happiness. Secondly, Dadi said: Farewell will take place this evening, so watch that and relate it to everyone. On my behalf, say to each one: Dadi has sent you remembrance personally by name. Together with remembrance, love is there anyway. I will relate the message of farewell at another time. Achcha. Om Shanti.

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Post07 Sep 2007

The translator, Sister whose name I did not recognise but neither Sister Denise nor Sister Sheilu

The translator was Dr Vinay Lakshmi

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Post07 Sep 2007

arjun wrote:If the voice of Gulzar Dadi during the Bhog message is different from when she becomes the medium for Avyakt BapDada, then it could be proved that only the soul of Dadi Kumarka entered into her and not Avyakt BapDada. But if the voice of Dadi Gulzar was same as during any other Avyakt Vani, then it could be construed that Dadi Kumarka's soul came along with Avyakt BapDada. But even in case of the latter, there should be some difference in voice/physical features/behaviour pattern when Dadi Kumarka's soul might have spoken through Dadi Gulzar's body.

I missed the introduction to the whole thing but when I came into the room where the webcast was projected, I thought it was BapDada speaking through Dadi Gulzar. Then, remembering the words from the Avyakt Murli about Dadiji would come to meet, I thought it might have been her but I thought it was funny that the facial expression and voice were the same (at least that is what it looked to me) then when it is BapDada. Then the eyes closed and there was silence for a while and Gulzar came back. When she began to speak her voice was almost like BapDada for the first sentence or so and then it gradually switched back to her usual voice. Interesting ... !

There has been some Dadi worship going on but I am not aware of any official instruction from the top for that. There are enough devotee sanskars around for it to emerge naturally left and right. No need for instructions for this.

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Post07 Sep 2007

BKTi-Pit, I also agree it is a bit confusing who and when was speaking. Thus I mention this at the start of my previous post since possibly the translator was also confused ! Well, the "voice" of BapDada, Dadiji and Dadi Gulzar all through the same mouth.

I think way back in this forum there was even discussion about whether it was Father Shiva speaking or BrahmaBaba (Lekhraj Kirpalani) speaking or was it their souls combined together to speak in unison as "BapDada".

It's all terribly confusing at times. In the end, does there need to actually be a difference in a change of voice or sound to prove another soul has "taken over" the body ? After all, a soul is only borrowing a body, it does not need to change that body does it ? Or is that just body consciousness ? Does the "jerk" mean anything, so the next time you make a jerk does that signify a soul entering your body or is it just a normal reflex body reaction ?

I mean, what if during the middle of BapDada speaking, the body of Dadi Gulzar has a slight reaction/contortion and produces a "burp". Would that "burp" be of the sound of BapDada or or Dadi Gulzar? Or is it that when we are totally unconscious, all our bodily actions cease to function ... dead ? (Another thread perhaps).
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The "voice" of BapDada, Dadiji and Dadi Gulzar ...

Post07 Sep 2007

I wonder if the BKWSU has ever felt it appropriate to explain about this to us in a coherent way? Or is it something that will be forever shrouded in 'white fog'? Maybe they need some specialist assistance in producing a simple guide to the phenomena in general and as specifically relates to their particular situation.

Can anyone remember, during Madhuban season, when we were gathered around like "children at storytime" to hear the explanations about BapDada's 'coming'? There i was captivated by it all and still i never really understood anything. Human's instinctively falling for the lure of folklore?

The "voice" of BapDada, Dadiji and Dadi Gulzar, all 3, and what about God Shiva?
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Post07 Sep 2007

BKTi-Pit wrote: Dadi's 12 days are now finishing. Dadi is having to playa special part in the corporeal world for name's sake in order to carry out a special, unique and lovely essential task. However, Dadi's birth and her task are extremely unique. Baba will come and tell the detail of that later. BapDada too has to play the part that is fixed in the drama and enable others to play their part. Baba will tell later what the alokikta (uniqueness) of this is. Is this OK? Baba is now sending me and it was my thought that I should not take another birth, but Baba has explained the secrets to me and this is why I am going in happiness. We also felt: How could Baba send her like that? So Dadi said: I have understood Baba's secrets and this is why I am going in happiness.

For me the most interesting part is the news Dadi is to take rebirth. How can a baby and child do anything?

How can this fit in with the impending Destruction BKs always like to remind us is just around the corner?
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The namesake birth and stuff like that

Post07 Sep 2007

john wrote:For me the most interesting part is the news Dadi is to take rebirth. How can a baby and child do anything? How can this fit in with the impending destruction BKs always like to remind us is just around the corner?

I can not overlook the sort of "shroud" within which all of this is covered-up:
    1. "Dadi is having to play a special part" aka All prior understanding about births etc etc is rendered obselete so dismiss it from your mind. How? Remember Shiv Baba. This is a "special part so you have to stay tuned for more revelations folks. (I wonder if there will be a similar deafening silence about the details as the years roll on. A bit like the situation with Mama?)

    2. "for name's sake" aka not a birth of real substance insofar as the maximum number of births a soul can take being 84, that is. A bit like they were told in 1969 that Mr. Lekhraj will complete in the Subtle Region any years he needed to make up the supposedly awe-inspiring corporeal 100 years of age.

    3. "in order to carry out a special, unique and lovely essential task" aka students ought to know that there are Great things to be accomplished in this namesake birth. But for our own self-progress we have to put all questions about it from our minds. More will be explained later. In the meantime be assured that many special, unique b;ah blah blah.

    4. "alokikta (uniqueness)" aka more will be revealed. drip, drip, drip, drip.
As for destruction: Well what about it? We have nothing to worry about!

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Post07 Sep 2007

bansy wrote:In the end, does there need to actually be a difference in a change of voice or sound to prove another soul has "taken over" the body ? After all, a soul is only borrowing a body, it does not need to change that body does it ?

I found it interesting that the voice seemed to be the same but I don't know if and why it would have to be otherwise. That her voice was still similar right after she came out of trance would validate that the influence of who is speaking is minimal.

I noticed something else that I found interesting too. When she began to speak she spoke very slowly and then she gained speed, just like when Avyakt BapDada begins to speak the Murli the pace is slow and he gradually gain speed. It is a bit like when I come out of a good meditation, it takes me a while to get fully into the talkie mode.

Now, I wonder how the translator knew it was Dadiji speaking. Baba had hinted in the Murli that Dadi would come for a chit-chat later but did not say exactly what he meant or how it would happen.

As far as the special role of that Dadi will play, I also wonder how much of a special role she would be able to play as an child. So, either Baba is just telling a fairy tale to entertain the children or we still have a lot to go before revelation and destruction, which means that all the old guard will have time to go too. Will they all have such a special role to play which would then delay the whole thing some more? Would it mean that it is not anytime soon that we are going to see the BKs becoming the images of spiritual love they are supposed to be for revelation to take place?

All this said and all this confusion put aside, I very much like the message that Baba is conveying trough this: maintain your self-respect and give respect to all, have spiritual love for all whilst being detached, have the awareness of being an instrument, be humble and be kind with your words. I am very inspired by this.

Of course Baba would only praise Dadi. Anyone remembers the days of the personal meetings with Baba? Would he ever tell someone off for being dishonest or anything? It is not really his style but one who can read between the lines can pick up when he's trying to make a point.
So, did you hear what you have to do now? Did you hear? Did you listen with attention?

He may like to only praise Dadiji and not tell us of her other side but he is certainly trying to get us to change.
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Post08 Sep 2007

BKTi-Pit wrote:This is the Avyakt Murli spoken by BapDada. When I get the copy of the Bhog message that came later I'll post it on the Avyakt Dadiji thread.

On Thursday, 6th September 2007, at the time of offering special Bhog for Dadiji -11.30 am

06/09/07 Madhuban Avyakt BapDada Om Shanti 06/09/07


Dadiji has the button to open the curtain of revelation in her hand; all of you become co-operative in this.

Dear Brother,

Omshanti and thanks for posting the official English translation of the latest Avyakt Vani. I have received the Hindi version of the same, but I am yet to read it fully. What you have posted is purely the words of Avyakt BapDada and not the words of Dadji spoken through Gulzar Dadiji.

I have also received a separate official Hindi version of the words spoken by the soul of Dadi Prakashmani/Kumarka through the mouth of Dadi Gulzar (dated 6.9.07, evening-7.30). The versions spoken by Dadiji are very few (about 6 lines). I will try to quote the Hindi and unofficial English translation.

I have also come to know of some official Bhog messages delivered in connection with Dadiji's demise from trance messengers other than by Gulzar Dadi (27.8.07, 6.9.07) and Mohini Bhen (27.8.07, 30.8.07, 02.09.07). These are Shashi Bhen (31.08.07, 5.9.07), Rukmani Bhen (01.09.07, 4.09.07), Vedanti Bhen (29.8.07 at Madhuban), Mohini Bhen of New York (28.08.07, possibly at New York) and Kailash Bhen of Gandhinagar, Gujarat (3.9.07).

For the information of PBKs, the above paragraph also brings to record that Sister Vedanti is also an official trance messenger.

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Post08 Sep 2007

arjun wrote:I have also come to know of some official Bhog messages delivered in connection with Dadiji's demise from trance messengers other than by Gulzar Dadi (27.8.07, 6.9.07) and Mohini Bhen (27.8.07, 30.8.07, 02.09.07). These are Shashi Bhen (31.08.07, 5.9.07), Rukmani Bhen (01.09.07, 4.09.07), Vedanti Bhen (29.8.07 at Madhuban), Mohini Bhen of New York (28.08.07, possibly at New York) and Kailash Bhen of Gandhinagar, Gujarat (3.9.07).

Let's just clarify as the order of things in this thread are mixed:

1. On morning of 6th Sep, Avaykt BapDada gave a Avaykt Vani, the topic was about Dadiji. This has been posted by BKTI-Pit. In this Vani, BapDada mention that Dadiji's role will be explained not then, but in that evening's Bhog message.

2. So on the evening of 6th Sep, Dadi Gulzar goes into trance to relay Avaykt BapDada's Bhog message, in which "Avyakt Dadiji" also speaks.

(In this thread, Bhog message 2 was posted before Avyakt Vani 1).

Prior to this day 6th Sept, many other Bhog messages have been delivered since, as arjunbhai has pointed out. However, it is only the evening of the 6th, when "Avaykt Dadiji" makes her first words via the body of Dadi Gulzar, and also Avaykt BapDada clarifies Dadiji's role. This last Bhog message plus the Avaykt Vani of the morning of 6th was also to calm down all the worries in the past 12 days about what to do BKs should be doing in the yayga. This day is before Dadiji leaves the Subtle Region. All previous Bhog messages were mainly praising the virtues and service of Dadiji but did not tell of anything about Dadiji's role or what the Yagya should do.

However, in the Bhog message, BapDada says Dadiji cannot leave the Subtle Region nor Madhuban. There is some conflict and confusion it seems still in the Yagya, or otherwise it is only I who is confused and the rest of the BKWSU is clear what is happening. Maybe someone can re-clarify ... but ... however, to keep you as up-to-date to the time of this post, there has yet to be released the official Bhog message of the evening of the 6th, whereas all other Bhog messages and the Avaykt Vani of the morning of the 6th had immediately been translated and released. Why the delay?

Thus I come to my own conclusion that confusion still exists in the yayga.
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Post08 Sep 2007

I have also received a separate official Hindi version of the words spoken by the soul of Dadi Prakashmani/Kumarka through the mouth of Dadi Gulzar (dated 6.9.07, evening-7.30). The versions spoken by Dadiji are very few (about 6 lines). I will try to quote the Hindi and unofficial English translation.

"Sadaa ek do ko sammaan detey huay shreshtha swamaan may rahtey swayam ko aur vishwa kee aatmaon ko mukti-jeevanmukti ka varsa dilaatey rahnaa. Sarva say snehi ban-ney ka roop pratyaksh karnaa. Duniya may bhi pyaar chaahiye, sachcha pyaar. Toh pyaarey rahnaa aur sarva ko aatmik pyaar kee anchali detey rahnaa, yahee hamaari Yaad hai. Achcha.

(Kisis nay kaha: Dadi desh videsh kay sabhi bhai-bahinon nay apnee bahut-bahut bhaavnaaen aur Yaad bheji hain)

Vatan may toh pehley pahunchtaa hai. Sabkaa yaadpyaar miltaa rahtaa hai, sabhi nay pyaar ka saboot dil say diya hai, iskay liye merey taraf say vishesh vishesh vishesh yaadpyaar ho."


Dadi Kumarka's soul spoke through the mouth of Dadi Gulzar:

"Continue to enable yourself and the souls of the world to get the inheritance of mukti-jeevanmukti while always respecting each other and while remaining in self-respect (swamaan). Reveal the form of being affectionate towards everyone. Even in the world, love, true love is required. So remain dear and continue to give spiritual love to everyone. This itself is my remembrance. Achcha.

(Someone said - All the Brothers and Sisters of this country and abroad have conveyed their feelings and remembrance)

It reaches the vatan (Subtle Region) first. Everybody's remembrance and love is received. Everyone has given the proof of love from their heart. Special, special, special remembrance and love from my side for this."
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Post08 Sep 2007

bansy wrote:Thus I come to my own conclusion that confusion still exists in the yayga.

Entirely ... its become ritual and more about the investment of power within the chosen leadership. Who gets to be seen doing "official trance", having to share it around between all the of the "kings" of BK and the BK Royal family keeping good face together. Frankly, any BK who has been in Gyan for a few years could sit on the stool and make up these meaningless messages.

In fact, they seem to be an exercise in meaningless twaddle of no substance whatsoever.

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Post08 Sep 2007

bansy wrote:Thus I come to my own conclusion that confusion still exists in the yayga.

I am still waiting for the official English translation of the last Bhog message but I cannot recall any clear indication from BapDada as to which role Dadi P will play. The only thing that seems clear is that Dadi left the Subtle Region and is likely going to take rebirth. Otherwise, as I said before, the only thing that is meaningful to me in all this paraphernalia is the inspiration to maintain self respect and give respect, be humble and have real love for all. Everything else seems to me more like a fairy tale to entertain the children and not to be taken too seriously. Should we call it confusion, I don't know, but it surely is not clarity. Or is it that I am not soul conscious enough to understand the deep significance? Would the PBKs get some clarification from Baba VD Dixit?

My understanding is that they offered Bhog for Dadiji every one of the 12 days in Madhuban. We did get the translation of a message from Little Mohini and one from Big Mohini (she was in Madhuban at that time) but did not think it was useful to post it here. I am not aware that we got any of the other ones.
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Post08 Sep 2007

It's not God, it's all made up.
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Post08 Sep 2007

I am more interested in this machine that you hook up to and then experience yourself dancing with Shiva.

I am wondering about a cocktail whereby we could hitch this thing up to the royal fridge for an even stronger chill out, and the chanting devotees offering something, anything, would send the traveller out there.

Part of the trip would be a turn at speaking through a trance messenger to your devotees. However, anything you say may go over their heads, but it is just a holiday after all. I am organising vacations for anyone who wants to go on this journey of a lifetime to this Madhuban theme park. Those who desire bolts in their neck will have to pay an extra surcharge


As joint head, surely Dadi Janki would naturally step into the popped clogs, so why the insecurity?. Has any other name been mentioned? If so, no one has said anything. So why do souls in Madhuban/ trance messengers doubt Dadi's ability to play the role if the question has not arisen?

'Self respect and respect for others?' What does this say, and to whom? ' Dadi is going abroad?' At what point do we get a universal outlook from such elevated beings? Or is Dadi a "double foreigner" (oh dear).

Is there a problem with parochial awareness in Madhuban/ India? Culture consciousness?
Will Dadi Prakashmani have an Indian body in her next birth?. Perhaps she sees herself being abused by body conscious people in her next birth, by Indian people who don't recognize her. Is this why she is revealed subtly first via the Subtle Regions, or she may be rejected due to her body type?

HAVE SELF RESPECT AND RESPECT FOR OTHERS
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