paulkershaw wrote:try to clarify what is meant when the term "low level earth bound spirits" is used
Dear paul, in my humble opinion and simply, without quoting anybody, i mean, these are the souls of human beings with not much inner spiritual endeavor, with all average human weaknesses like greed, feelings of guilt, attachment to material belongings, ambitions to be loved and respected by others, tendency to control human beings in order to fill the gap of the unfulfilled desires from the past life, mostly departed with a sudden death or accident, or maybe were victims of cruel crimes, whatever.
Without having the possibility to prepare themselves innerly to death, having left many unsolved human relations problems behind, not capable to accept the reality of the other side to walk to the "light" and go beyond, not able to accept the help of the higher entities like angels, stuck somewhere in between, having lost the concept of time, still believing to be living on this earth, they are attaching themselves to any human beings they encounter, mostly by random, who's higher self is at that moment emotionally weak and does not resist their presence and accepts them.
And these souls may continue to believe to 'live on earth' through these human beings,trying to control them, pushing them to some thoughts and actions. And getting their power source from their energies, as long as these human beings' higher selfs and mindsets with weaknesses and tendencies accept and host these souls or are channeled to them.
These people will then do everything they can (one could say 'have Yoga with' ...) to attain whatever that being says can be attained. To them, the channeled entity offers just as much as a connection with 'God' would offer and to my logic, it simply says that this suits their current perceptions, which we all know, would probably change over time.
I agree. This relationship can become a mutual symbiosis between these spirits and those human beings,the higher self of these human beings can become attached to these spirits also.
According to the background of these earthbound low level souls and the background of the hosting human beings they may both create an illusion of co-operation and mission. Like "God Prajapati Brahma has come to save our souls before destruction", later "BapDada is coming to save the human souls from suffering of Kaliyuga and to take them to the Soul World after destruction and to prepare the future deities who will establish the SatYuga" etc.
I think, different earthbound departed souls' with tendencies of controlling power and need to live on earth through living beings got attached to Dada Lekhraj and to the Seniors and vice versa. And both sides have been feeding this relationship with a false mutual mission with some scenes and archetypes from Bhagavad Gita, Upanishads, and Hindu beliefs, with some pearls from Sufi tradition, with some wisdom from different Hindu Saints and from other sources according to the trends of time and giving-getting some orders from "up above" to the BKs to hold them under control and to frighten them with false predictions of fearsome world destruction. Of course promising Golden Age to the obedient BKs and all other stuff.
many people on this forum have reported in the past that they have stood in front of BapDada and felt whoever to be there to be very powerful but 'not God'.
Actually, I stood in front of BapDada, near BapDada on the stage countless times, have been sitting during the sessions very close to BapDada and never ever felt there was something very powerful, was always surprised why I could not feel, like others, intoxicated. I was trying to rationalize that, talking to myself, that God is not in this body etc. The royal apparency of the medium, the meditation with drill during the medium going into trance, was always very powerful for me indeed, I was always influenced through it. But during Murli and afterwards during BapDada's hugging and feeding time with the Seniors, i felt this influence disappeared.
paulkershaw wrote:I personally am not sure how one can define God per se, as this energy and experience does change for me over time. How do we define God and who is not?
Again sincerely, I feel God's presence when i am watching the nature's beauty around me, I feel God's presence when I meet somebody with great mercy who forgives their enemies, I feel God's presence listening to a great concert, watching a great artistic performance, i feel God's presence in the crowds protesting violence, I feel God's presence watching a baby smiling at me, or when I am laughing with good friends about simple things, these are the moments tears fill my eyes, feeling my heart blossoms, gets bigger and bigger and becomes one with the whole universe.
And I feel God's presence whenever I sit and think thankfully about the gifts life has presented to me. But the moments I think of others and do something for others - how small does not matter - I feel surrounded by His energy and my heart beats with overwhelming love and energy as if I don't feel my body. Believe me, i lost this connection which i had since my childhood, during my BK life after the so called "Honeymoon Period", except some moments of karma Yoga or some moments of exchanging drishti. I was wondering why.
Now I am understanding that I was during my BK life under the influence of those earth bound spirits who are acting through the Seniors to whom they are attached to, and to whom I became channeled during the meditation times starting from Amrit Vela, who cut away my natural connection to God, I mean, my inherited connection to the love - energy which created the universe.
God is not there, wherever one human being is hurt by another human being, one animal is tortured, habitats and forests are set on fire with all livelihood, and wherever children and adults are left to die from malnutrition and sicknesses while others are feeding themselves to obesity with their so called God's money. God is not there wherever love between human beings is forbidden.
Here is one interesting article from Dr. Alan Sanderson with the title, "The Case For Spirit Release" describing different cases with different low level earth bound spirits attached to human beings, sometimes several of them attached to one human being.