BK concept of "Destruction"

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Post19 Nov 2007

I love you trin, :oops:.
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Post19 Nov 2007

warrior wrote:That way this Sister related her story and said that at same time there was the period called 'The Beggary' part in the Yagya, when food was scarce. So at that time they had to go out and do service.

So, for "go out and do service", do we understand "start collecting money and donors"?
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Post19 Nov 2007

Yes, and if you want to buy something. Let some other human do it for you so you don't have to spent Baba's money. And let them cook your food even if they are inpure???

But don't you create a karmic account that way??

Well, a simple sorry to Baba will wash away your sin! No? Old sanskar ... sorry Baba i did it again ... and give it back to you. Wah, my fortune. :roll:

Sorry.

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Post22 Nov 2007

ex-l wrote:So, for "go out and do service", do we understand "start collecting money and donors"?

Om Shanti. Under "go out and do service" you should understand: work to earn money or food. It refers to this period of Yagya history. As for today - it means "collecting money and VIPs".

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Post05 Mar 2008

Reproduced from the BK section for record purpose in this thread:

106. “Guru is the one who causes salvation. Guru remains ahead of the followers. Here it is not such a thing. Here the Father says – children you walk ahead because it is also a cattleshed, isn’t it? The cowherd remains at the back of the cows. Otherwise the cows may go astray. The Father also remains at the back. Now a days devotees think that the saint (mahatma) should remain ahead of them. They think that it would be an insult to him if they go ahead of him. Baba will say – children you are ahead of me. The Father has to keep an eye over everyone from behind so that nobody can eat them. There is an example, isn’t it, lion came, lion came ... but there was no lion. For you also people say that these BKs say that destruction will take place, but it does not take place. But it has to certainly take place. In future people will understand that certainly it is a time for Destruction. You children know the reason for Destruction. The world does not know anything. OK, what happened after the Mahabharata war? Nobody knows." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 05.12.07, pg 1 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
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Post20 Aug 2008

Reproduced from the BK Section:
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"Baba Bambai may jaatey hain toh samjhaatey hain yah Bambai pehley thi nahee. Ek chota Silver Age gaon tha, ab samudra ko sukhaya hai. History repeat hogi toh fir yah itnee Bombay nahee rahegi. Satyug may koi Bombay gaon hota nahee. Yah America aadi kya hai! Ek he baam say sab khatma ho jaayengey. Hiroshima may jab baam lagaayaa, kya ho gaya? Shahar ka shahar khalaas ho gayaa. Vah toh ek baam tha. Abhi toh dher baam banaaye hain. Kahtey bhi hain Baap aaye hain nayee duniya sthaapan karney, inko purana nark Raavan banaatey hain." (Brahmakumariyon dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli, dinaank 21.03.08, pg 2)

“When Baba goes to Bombay He explains that this Bombay did not exist earlier. It was a small village; now the ocean has been dried up (to expand the city). When the history repeats, then this Bombay would not remain to this extent. The village Bombay does not exist in the Golden Age. What is this America, etc.? All of them will perish with just one bomb. What happened when the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima? The entire city was destroyed. That was just one bomb. Now numerous bombs have been prepared. It is even said that the Father has come to establish a new world; Ravan makes it an old hell.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 21.03.08, pg 2 published by BKs in Hindi, narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK; the words within brackets in the English version have been added by the translator to clarify the meaning)
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Post08 Sep 2008

Just to show that it's not just BK's who are obsessed with destruction Why the fascination with the end of the world? Interesting to see if this Wednesday suddenly makes all those failed predictions fade into insignificance... ;)

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Post08 Sep 2008

I've decided to not bother about "Destruction" anymore, but more intrigued about "creation" instead.

Any folks know what the world looks like on the first day of the New Age, and how it came to be e.g. how many tigers and deers will be sharing the lake, how many peacocks will be around ? will the plains in the US be lush with grass as they will be in Africa and in the Sahara Green Plains (not desert ?) or Is only Bharat (= India for simplicity) going to be immune for nuclear dust whislt the rest of the world is buried under it ?

Are trees and bushes and honey bees going to exist on day 1 ? What is the landscape going to be like ? Will the water level return to it original depth , and glaciers restored back ? etc etc IS the land going to be littered with stones (called diamonds and gold and other jewels but you will not know of their value since there is no such thing as money or finance) for you to build your "palace" ?

A new thread ?
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Post08 Sep 2008

IMO, people will gradually leave behind the old world and the 'Golden Age' won't just begin tomorrow as many people seem to think. Its a bit like living between two dimensions and then slowy adapting to the higher dimension over time and one day one realises that one has left the old dimension far below and is no longer functioning in that old world any longer.

So creation is already here, we just need to learn how to live in it 100% of the time ...

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Post28 Nov 2008

From my personal experience in the BK 16 years ago, and irregular visitations to my center, I can never forget the spiritual transformation that I had in those short periods. Unlike many others that accept or ignore the 5000 year cycle and the destruction of the world, if I dedicate my life to this religion it must be completely, and all aspects of what I will teach to others must be true, not partially true to make it fit in to a believe system that gives me spiritual comfort and make me feel secure about who I am and where I am going. When this religion was initiated by Brahma, he did so strongly influenced by Hinduism and we can find it all over the BK beliefs.

I believe that all there is, a manifestation of God in different ways and planes of existence. We are one of his many manifestations, and we choose what to experience of all that vastness of his universal body. If we listen carefully we can easily recognize and separate a pure and simple manifestation of God where there is no question to ask or any doubts. If it matches the way the universe and we should behave in order to feel in balance in our interaction with the reality we are surrounded by.

In the Murlis, there is a lot of knowledge that is that type of knowledge, where God manifest to us how to live in balance mostly by pointing our attention to the divine aspect of ourselves and the positive side of life, making us feel happy about ourselves, and that alone is a transforming experience since anywhere we look in today life is so depressing; like human relations, TV, movies, etc, with the exception of the moments that we provide to ourselves "if we are lucky" with family and good friends. Obviously, or may be not so obvious to all, there is an aspect that is keeping this religion from becoming a world wide religion or a guide to all human kind and it is the mystical human part, like The Cycle and the destruction of the world and many other beliefs that we don't have a way to know if they are true and do not play any role in real human transformation needed for the peace of humanity.

Why don't we all, ex-BKs, reorganize and create a new and purest proposal of life for all humanity following the cleanest manifestation of God from the Murlis and others manifestations of God that may lead us to a true realization and creation of a Golden Age on Earth? Most of us talk about it but do nothing about it. This knowledge is for all and must be known. This website is a wonderful thing and something of major importance for the world must come out of it. WE ALL NEED IT.

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Post30 Nov 2008

aquoso,

No one replied to reply to you but I will. Because there is no aim in this forum anymore. Time to move on out, rather than in here.

Good luck.
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Post17 Feb 2009

Not sure if this is the right thread to post this, but have a look see how other spiritual teachings and meanings discuss the upcoming destruction, seems far more realistic and logical to me but whatsayyou? I think the wording right at the end (coperation over conflict) may give us a hint of where the problems within the BKWSU may just lie.
The Holon of Ascension: A Hathor Planetary Message through Tom Kenyon January 28, 2009

You are about to enter into a highly volatile period, full of extraordinary potential, yet fraught with hazards. In March of last year we indicated that your earth's magnetic field was experiencing perturbations and a morphing, or changing of its configuration. Your science has now discovered that this is, in fact, a reality.

In its most simple terms, there is a breach in the magnetosphere, which surrounds earth, protecting it from solar winds. Such a breach is a naturally occurring cycle, but the breadth and magnitude of this opening is quite large. It is allowing, and will allow, large volumes of plasma from the sun to enter. This will increase magnetic storms, disruptions of tele-communications, disruptions in bio-electric circuitry (such as human nervous systems), and climate change. The results of this breach and the increased charging of the magnetosphere will increase over the next several years.

Our focus in this communication is not upon the negative impacts of this breach, but upon the positive effects it opens for those who are ready. Your subtle energy body, which was known as the KA by ancient Egyptians and called the etheric body by Yogis, is highly sensitive to, and affected by, solar plasma. An increase in the flow and quality of solar streams increases the vibratory rate of the KA body. This is a very beneficial and auspicious opportunity for those who are consciously participating in their ascension process. Let us be precise by what we mean by the term ascension, because it has many different connotations and ways of being viewed.

By ascension we simply mean a movement upward in consciousness. You do not "go" anywhere. You do not "leave" anywhere. But your perspective, your perception, is radically altered. You begin to see through the Maya, or the illusion of this world, which is created through the dance of subatomic particles and into a configuration of what you call matter. Through the ascension process you realize that you are the creator of your experience of that which you call "the world."

It does not mean that you leave this world, but it does mean that you have transcended it—while still being a part of it--for you see through the lens of perception that life is a movie that you are projecting. One could say that you are at a crossroads. As the solar streams enter into your magnetosphere, the KA bodies of all humans will increase in vibration. But for some, this will lead to disturbances and dissolution, while for others it will lead to ascension--a movement upward in consciousness. This communication is specifically for those individuals who have chosen the upward spiral. Your challenge in these times is to allow the activation of your KA body to move you upward, even as many around you seem to be spiraling downward. It is, essentially, a question of vibration, joined with expectation and belief. It is the union of these three that births the creative impulse for a new destiny. What do we mean by this?

It takes tremendous energy to transcend or transmute a negative condition or a limitation that has been placed upon one. You have been collectively hypnotized into a view of reality that is fixed, confined, limiting, and nothing short of imprisonment. When one sees through the lies and the manipulations, the old world does not look the same and yet the perception of the lies does not free one from them. They have a life of their own and a tendency to continue. It takes new energy--an increased vibratory rate--to overcome the lethargy and inertia that are intrinsic to your cultural limitations. This is the gift of the solar streams--the solar plasma that is flowing and will flow in greater quantities into your magnetosphere--for they will increase the vibratory rate of your KA body.

But here is the "cross-hair", shall we say, in "the sight" of your destiny. For those of you who accept, or at least are beginning to see through the lies of limitation that have been imposed upon you and have made a choice to move upward into the ascension process, this activation of the KA body is a beautiful, exquisite miracle to behold, for your life will be graced with the power to transcend your own limitations in ways that have not been available to you before. It shall be as if the cosmos itself is joining you in the dance of your freedom. But for those who do not choose to live upward in consciousness--who choose to remain imprisoned by the limitations, who seek to blame others for their misfortune, who choose to find scapegoats for their lack of happiness, for those who insist upon living the old world of conflict--this increased vibration of their KA body will not be a blessing; it will be experienced as a curse. Because they will have to work very hard to keep things the way they are.

The fabric of your old realities is being unwound at the same time that new realities are being woven. This is, indeed, an odd state. And what we wish to convey most clearly is that you have the innate power and ability to weave new realities for yourself, new freedoms of mind and spirit, regardless of what is happening around you.

From our perspective, we see this situation escalating over the next several years, and we would characterize it as a dual state in which many of you will ascend, meaning moving upward, while others will move into dissolution, a falling apart. This is, essentially, based upon a personal choice. This is a very important point, to us, and we wish to convey it with as much clarity as possible. Each of you has the response-ability to choose the thoughts and the creations you desire. Some of you will choose freedom--because you cannot stand being contained any longer--the lies are simply too great a burden to perpetuate.

Others of you will choose imprisonment--for the fear of freedom and the responsibility for personal choice is too much to bear. This is a split in the road of evolution. As your realities simultaneously dissolve and re-create themselves, and by that we refer to the economic challenges you are facing, and the ecological and social challenges you are facing some of you may experience very difficult times. But never lose sight of the fact that you are the creator of your life, and you can re-create it at any moment, regardless of the circumstances.

Those who manipulate you do so through fear and perpetuation of cultural limitations--the belief that your life is dependent upon certain external factors. What you will discover in the ascension process is that these external factors are actually projections from your own deepest consciousness. They are flickers on a movie screen, and you can change them in mind-bending quickness when you change them from the source rather than the effect, and the source is your very mind itself. The mystery of how this occurs reveals itself to you in the ascension process, as naturally as an orchid opening its blossoms. It is imbedded in nature itself, and this knowledge is self-revealing as you enter the path upward.

We have said in previous communications that one of the keys is what you call appreciation or gratitude. These states of emotion are a signature and an expression of the creative powers you possess. What we mean by this will be clear to you as you move into the ascension process. In future communications we intend to discuss the interdimensional physics of appreciation and how it affects your external reality. But in this communication we wish to give you a tool we feel will assist you in this period over the next several years, as the solar streams enter the magnetosphere and begin to stimulate your KA bodies.

There are a few fundamental points we wish to impart before we give the technique. The first fundamental is that you must have made the choice to move upward in consciousness for this technique to work. The intention by which you hold your KA imparts the outcome. The second point is that you need to be in the emotional state of appreciation when you do this method, because appreciation is the signature for this kind of creation.

The third point is that this is based upon a connection between the KA--your etheric body--and a higher aspect of yourself, dimensionally speaking, that was known as the BA by the ancient Egyptians. The BA resides in a place of consciousness that is outside time and space, as you construct it. It's entry point is at a place above the head where your hands would meet were you to raise your hands together and touch them above your head. This interdimensional aspect of your self, the BA, is highly receptive to appreciation. And it is from the BA that you receive the energetic that strengthens the KA and prepares it for the influx of the solar streams. We call this method the Holon of Ascension.

Like the two previous Holons we have given, the Holon of Balance and the Holon of Healing, it is based upon a specific geometric form. Geometry compels energy and specific geometries compel energy to flow in specific ways. This particular Holon is based upon a disc. It is much like a top, if you played with such toys as a child. You place yourself inside this disc. The top of the disc corresponds with the location of the BA, where your two hands would touch were you to extend them above your head. The lower part of the disc is the base of your spine if you were to sit cross-legged. If you do this standing or sitting in a chair, then your feet would be at the base of the disc. The center line that goes through the top of the head, through your body, and through the perineum is the central axis of the disc.

In your imagination, you spin the disc around the central axis. For most people the natural direction would be to spin it to the right, but it can be to the left--which ever feels right to you is the correct direction. The size or diameter of the disc is immaterial. You can make it as large or as small as you wish. The color of the disc also does not matter, but if you are a visual person, then we suggest experimenting with making the disc white. This movement of the disc in the imaginal world... the world of your imagination...creates a vortex. Once you start the disc to spin, your attention goes to the BA above your head and you send appreciation to the BA—the feeling of appreciation. There will be response of some kind from the celestial soul, the BA.

At this point you move your awareness to the base of your spine, to the root chakra, as this is the ground that pulls the celestial energy into the KA body. Then, for the next five to ten minutes, you simply reside inside the disc, allowing it to spin with your awareness at your BA and at the base of your spine. There will be a flow of energy from the BA into the physical body and down to the base of the spine. At times it will be a very light sensation. At other times it will be like a laser light or a column of fire or a stream. It may take many forms. And as this energy descends from the BA into the base of the spine, it radiates into the KA body, energizing it. You can do this as many times as you wish. We suggest at least once a day. There is a caution: if you practice this too often, or for too long a period of time, you can experience a healing reaction. This is caused by the celestial energies flowing from the KA into the physical organs of the body and causing them to release negativity, toxins and other negative material that constrains their life force. As the KA body becomes more energized over a period of time, it will be able to incorporate the solarized particles from the solar stream and this will greatly accelerate your ascension. This is the basic method. And as we suggested, once a day, five to ten minutes is all that is required, so long as your intention is clearly to move upward in consciousness. We now wish to turn our attention to planetary service and to an energetic release we are calling The Great Triad.

The first weekend of April (April 3-5, 2009) we are calling a gathering in Seattle, Washington in which we will utilize the Holon we have just discussed and in connection with the three sound temples that we established physically in New Mexico, Costa Rica and Nepal. The union of these three shall be for the purpose of increasing the light of illumination. Before this event, some time in mid-March, we will release another posting, another Planetary Message, with instructions for those who are not able to join us physically in Seattle.

These instructions will allow those persons who cannot join us physically, to join us energetically and participate in this action of planetary service. From the standpoint of the Egyptian mythos and initiatory knowledge, your civilization is in the Initiation of the Anmit, which is essentially a passage from the pursuit of power, into love, and the higher realizations that come from the higher chakras. It is a struggle between those who wish to perpetuate a world of conflict, as a stage whereby they can attain and sustain power, and those who wish to live a life of cooperation--understanding that all life is interconnected. The purpose of this gathering shall be two-fold: to impart a greater mastery of the Holon we have discussed and how to utilize the solar streams for personal ascension; and to release into the earth's emotional atmosphere a spiritual illumination that will benefit all life and add to the side of the scale that leads to cooperation over conflict.

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Post14 Mar 2009

From Re: Hi - I am a newcomer and want help with my relationship

Thank you jannister reminding us today to the following Murli point:
Those who have to perform the destruction need co-operation from you benefactor souls. They require the signal of' your thoughts. Until you adopt the form of fire, you are not able to give the signal.

which fills me with shame asking myself how could i accept against my core principles such an inhumanity.

Here i want to salute Stanley Kubrick for his creative contribution to 'Divine Father Prajapati God Brahma's dream of "Destruction" with his black comedy film from 1964, Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, with great Peter Sellers playing the role of Dr. Strangelove, the mad scientist, whose character is a satiric combination of the main scientists from Manhattan Project.

The BK brainwash has made all of us for a time period into some sort of Dr. Strangelove trying to get to perfection in order being able to give the signal for a nuclear holocaust.

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Post14 Mar 2009

It doesn't very much go with love and world peace that they are selling. :-?
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