You must appreciate, now that you have woken up, your position will change from being a "student" and follower to being a teacher. You have woken up to their limits. Most BKs are still asleep and happy to accept them as long as they are supplied their "drug". They dream that they are awake but when someone really wakens up, they try and get them to go to sleep again ... to follow, to conform, to accept their position in the yugya and not question.
Most BKs are still in a Bhakti frame of mind and have made bhkati out of Lekhraj Kirpalani and Gyan. That may just be their level. Some within the BK movement are corrupt and corrupting but most just follow orders. Some think the Mahabharat War is happening 'within' the BK movement between those who are true and those who are evil.
I often ask, "can an Age of Truth be made out of lies?" Obviously not. Then, "would not a truly spiritual person be able to look at, document and record factual truths?" Are they not the best foundations for life? Obviously so. Then lastly, "is it not our spiritual and ethical responsibility to discard that which we find to be false?" Is it not better for our self progress to move on to that which is true?
Other questions might be, "it is not immoral to pass onto others the burden of repeatedly disproving your (the BKWSU's) lies? Should a 'Godly university' not be at a high, impeccable level?" I always thought so.
saveyourlife wrote:I asked to people by e mailing to Brahmakumaris India head quarters because I am myself an Indian. Now look at the answers what these people have given me ...
1. Experiments were conducted on Dadi Janki and was told so. Even photo of the experiment can be seen in the book Positive Health. That was in 1980s. It may or may not be there in the internet.
Then ask them, "why did the Western BKWSU send the following notice out with the 09/07/2007 Murli Noticeboard?" And send the file with your email. Under Sister Jayanti Kirpalani's command) they said ...
BKWSU wrote:We would like to just draw your attention to some information we use quite frequently and that is often misquoted ... that Dadi is 'The most stable mind in the world'. This has never been said by any scientist ... So you are requested to delete this phrase from any publicity material.
We have two opposing "truths". Only one can be true. The BK leaders in India continue to lie and exaggerate all the time. It is as plain as that.
A journalist researching this spoke to the University of Texas and they said they "
have searched the likely places and found no mention of the experiments performed on Dadi Janki in 1978. Indeed, I did not even find any University of Texas organization called the Medical and Science Research Institute". The article is
here. Would not a university keep a record of such an important claim?
Therefore, the responsibility is now on the BKWSU to 'prove' their claim or remove and stop using it. ... Or be proven to be habit and irresponsible, manipulative liars.
I appreciate that is *very* strong language, and it has taken me years to accept, but we have found it to be true, time and time again. The difference between an ordinary person who might make a mistake or exaggerate, or tell a white lie, is that when they are challenged they are embarrassed, apologise and correct themselves. A habitual liar will argue, try all sort of tricks, and fight to protect their reputation.
What would a truly spiritual or ethical person do?
BKWSU wrote:2. BK is not even a cult, let alone destructive. It is a God's established movement.
All cults throughout history have claimed to be "God's established movement". It is one of the most typical claims of a cult or cult leader ... and remember, there was no mention of God Shiva in the Om Mandli until after 1950. Prior to that it was a personality cult solely based around Lekhraj Kirpalani being Krishna.
Since its beginning until today, the Lekhraj Kripalani cult has been called a cult and accused of breaking families, ruining people's lives, and causing disquiet in communities. It has been listed as a "destructive cult" by a number of national government and concerned NPOs with governmental status.
But, let us look at this fairly, "what is a cult, why might the BKs be a cult and why do the BKs not like being called a cult?".
The BKs are a "cult" primarily because they are not a "sect". They are not a breakaway of an existing religion. They are a cult because they are a new religion which has not matured sufficiently and existed for long enough to become a religion. And they are a cult because they employ numerous "cultic" methods to promote themselves. They also claim they are going to inspire or, specifically, "give courage" to the scientists to use nuclear weapons to kill off "devilish" humanity and, in their earliest days, encouraged military leaders to use scorched earth tactics to destroy the world.
They are also a personality cult based primarily on the personality of Lekhraj Kirpalani and more recently, the Dadis.
The word cult has two usages. The formal and academic use for intense, new religious movements, and a mostly negative value used by the popular press. In my opinion *both* are suitable for the BKs. They are secretive, they are demanding, they are manipulative, they employ fraudulent and even criminal methods to expand (visa fraud mainly, a bit of tax ambiguity, some darker things have happen relating to deaths of adherents) ... you would have to study up on what constitutes "cultic methods of mind control". You will find it remarkably similar to the BKs.
BKWSU wrote:3. If you go as per Gyan, you should never predict dates. Baba has not disclosed anything. do not go into date or days calculation. Spend your time in Baba's remembrances, experience the depth of Yoga and if possible, do service. It gives you happiness.
Firstly, "Baba has not disclosed anything" is an outright lie. The proof for that is in the original Avyakt Murlis and [url=http:brahmakumaris.info/download/BK%201976%20Destruction%20Murli/]later references[/url].
Normally, they say "Baba has never given a specific date" which is true, he has never given a "specific date" but Baba has given "specific years" or events. 1950, 1976, mid-1980s and before that WWII. And on posters created with Lekhraj Kirpalani's authority, it was clearly stated 1976 and 40 years for Sangum Yuga.
Ask them, "why did the Sakar Murlis used to say, '50 years for Destruction and 50 years for Creation' and why has this been removed now? Why has all mention of the 1976 Destruction been removed?".
What they are telling you to do here is "don't think, don't question, stay hypnotised because the truth will shake your faith".
BKWSU wrote:There are many anti-BK materials put in the website. It is being put by so many disgruntled souls.
Is it "anti-BK" or "pro-truth"? is not such name calling just an insult?
Should a spiritual or ethical person not be concerned about abuses? Should someone who has been cheated not be upset and warn others? Should the world not discuss the suicides, child abuse, falsehood and corruption within the BK movement? I think you can see through this for what it is ...
What is a "disgruntled soul"?
There are a few myths the BK leaders put out, e.g. anyone who leaves the BKs did so for the vices and (most strangely) that some souls are critical because they "did not get enough respect" ... Disgruntled about what?
Should one accept without comment that one has been lied to, manipulated and had one's life wasted by individuals who have lied to, manipulated and wasted many generations before you? The BKWSU leaders seem to think so.
Is it not possible for them to understand that some people just see through the smokescreen and are acting out of concern at what they see?I would like to emphasise they whilst on one hand they are changing the religion and its history because of us, they have also refused to sit down and discuss the problems with us.
it is for you to ascertain the truth ... or go by false propaganda
Well ...
We can and have proven the "propaganda" is not false, so what is the truth.
We can and have proven that their history is false and that they are re-writing the Murlis to hide this.
We can prove that families have been broken apart and individual's wasted their lives for 75 years and that 75 years should be seen as a failure because destruction was meant to happen in 50 years.
As with the Dadi Janki claim above, I would argue that is it the BKWSU who is resorting to propaganda.So, who is telling the truth?
We can not prove there was no mention of God Shiva in their religion until sometime around 1950 ... so why have they lied about their history and sold false propaganda llike Adi Dev for 60 years?
That is a very serious question. Try asking them,
"It is shown there was no mention of God Shiva in the religion until after 1950 and before that they worshipped Lekhraj Kirpalani as God Brahma and thought God was omnipresent. Why do the records of the BKWSU not state this clearly? How and when was God Shiva revealed and by whom and why has this been covered up by false stories such as Adi Dev?"