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Thank you ex-l for your reaction.
No, I have not heard of that. In the time that I was with the BK, there was talk of a schism that had happened at a very early time in the history of the BK. The "splinter group" (probably being the PBK) was no more allowed to gather with the BK because "they disturbed the meetings". No details were given and reading ex-l's comment I feel convinced the whole thing is twisted (Are there any reports of it on this site ? I would like to read some of it ).
At the time I only heard that "the splinter-group" did not receive the "gift" of being able to read new Murli's anymore. I protested against that, in vain. Then I asked whether I could speak to them and maybe see if the two groups could pacify and come together again but the teacher could not give me an address. This was the pre-internet era, so the information was difficult to retrieve and I did not succeed, at the time, in doing that. The teacher, however, said that even if I would be able to reach "the other group, which wasn't even given a name" and if I succeeded in speaking to them and if some individuals would be willing to join the BK, they would still not be welcome and permitted to enter. Even then I found the whole situation saddening.
Yes, that's what I mean. I saw this happening only once but it was enough to turn me away from BK-ism. What irritated me so much that afterwards the discussion was closed. It happened in regard to the phenomena that I described as "the Golden Age Deal". I think the hypocrisy is that the BK obstructs groups and individuals and alternative thinking but lets obviously ridiculous ideas running around (maybe for years). Fantasy's like that "Golden Age Deal" do well to no one and lay another extra claim on adherents, already walking with an overload.
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I have listened to a few of the video's you have enlisted with Professor Whaling.
I remember the deep voice of the professor, Mr. Whaling. But the message he sends out I did not and don't like at all. Also Mr. Whalings position in the Cancer Help Centre was mentioned.
Very little information was given at the time about Rama, both by the teacher and by Mr. Whaling. The teacher told me that Mr. Kirpalani wouldn't play the role of Rama in the Silver Age and that was why he was not important to the BK.
The professor, Mr. Whaling, told me that he was searching for evidence of The Cycle. And he was concentrating on Krishna. He was looking for the tomb of Krishna but that was difficult because Krishna died in a city, later overflowed by seawater (i.e. the sea near "Dvarka"; there are Youtube video's about it, if one is interested, and some claim to actually have found the historical place). Rama however was killed on land (at least that is what they told me) and the professor, Mr. Whaling thought it would be easier to find clues regarding the place where he died.
He also told me Rama was executed and they called this a service ? I think there is a lot more to be told about Rama. But they just focused on this one aspect. I thought the whole scene was so disrespectful. For millions of people in Asia Rama is an important God ... Also the only reason why Krishna is important to the BK seems to be that he is, according to them, the presumed reïncarnation of Mr. Lekraj, another mutilation to an Asian beloved God.
He told me he was not within the BK which I found quite strange because he was actually helping them along the way and they supported him (morally). But he told me to be not totally infiltrated or incorporated in the BK made it more easy for him to approach other interesting individuals (VIP's) and move about freely. And it seemed to me this was his choice.
I think he was and is (at least) in the inner circle of the European section of the BK.
He also does promote them by PR business. Regarding "the students vs. ex-politicians meetingfora" he promoted, I tend to say that Mr. Whaling was also sort of an engineer of new idea's. I don't know if always he was really taken seriously though. I can only base my opinion on the two "meetings" I had with Mr. Whaling in class and upon future developments of his plans and uttered "predictions".
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At the time Mr. Whaling told me that, when he was working at the Oxford University, he also had the ability to publish freely. He used this 'carte blanche' to also print a lot of (probably) BK PR material. He told me that once he had ordered hundreds if not thousands of booklets (or something alike). The worker started early in the morning but the press had to be kept printing the whole night through (until noon ?) next day for printing all the material.
I asked if Mr. Whaling was already printing material he needed for the Mexican SML project (25,000 course members). He answered, "Yes, sort of, and some extra just to keep in store for the BK in case they need it."
"And if they don't need it ?", I asked.
"Oh, then we will just throw it away", he answered.
I told him I thought it was a fraud and that he had to seek other ways to publish. He told me he had tried but it was difficult because no one wanted to print it. (He couldn't afford it also himself and the BK would not support him!). He told me it wouldn't matter though, multiplying via the Oxford University because no one at the university would ask and the man in charge of printing it all wouldn't see the difference anyway (between university stuff and "university stuff").
In the last post ex-l wrote:" You've obviously not heard of or spoken to the PBKs then ... or any of the other splinter groups in India. Prior to the internet, which has complicated things for BK Central Control, there was a complete information block, character assassination programme on them and even since the internet we've heard of bannings, banishings, threats, bogus, legal and police reports, kidnapping and beatings which have hospitalised individuals"
No, I have not heard of that. In the time that I was with the BK, there was talk of a schism that had happened at a very early time in the history of the BK. The "splinter group" (probably being the PBK) was no more allowed to gather with the BK because "they disturbed the meetings". No details were given and reading ex-l's comment I feel convinced the whole thing is twisted (Are there any reports of it on this site ? I would like to read some of it ).
At the time I only heard that "the splinter-group" did not receive the "gift" of being able to read new Murli's anymore. I protested against that, in vain. Then I asked whether I could speak to them and maybe see if the two groups could pacify and come together again but the teacher could not give me an address. This was the pre-internet era, so the information was difficult to retrieve and I did not succeed, at the time, in doing that. The teacher, however, said that even if I would be able to reach "the other group, which wasn't even given a name" and if I succeeded in speaking to them and if some individuals would be willing to join the BK, they would still not be welcome and permitted to enter. Even then I found the whole situation saddening.
" What you may mean is that in classroom discussion the BK leaders may adopt a passive role allowing individuals to offer suggestions as long as it does not go too far ... but they maintain the official version and take it all back to a meditation experience anyway ? "
Yes, that's what I mean. I saw this happening only once but it was enough to turn me away from BK-ism. What irritated me so much that afterwards the discussion was closed. It happened in regard to the phenomena that I described as "the Golden Age Deal". I think the hypocrisy is that the BK obstructs groups and individuals and alternative thinking but lets obviously ridiculous ideas running around (maybe for years). Fantasy's like that "Golden Age Deal" do well to no one and lay another extra claim on adherents, already walking with an overload.
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I have listened to a few of the video's you have enlisted with Professor Whaling.
I remember the deep voice of the professor, Mr. Whaling. But the message he sends out I did not and don't like at all. Also Mr. Whalings position in the Cancer Help Centre was mentioned.
"What on earth was he [Mr. whaling] saying about "Rama" ? "
Very little information was given at the time about Rama, both by the teacher and by Mr. Whaling. The teacher told me that Mr. Kirpalani wouldn't play the role of Rama in the Silver Age and that was why he was not important to the BK.
The professor, Mr. Whaling, told me that he was searching for evidence of The Cycle. And he was concentrating on Krishna. He was looking for the tomb of Krishna but that was difficult because Krishna died in a city, later overflowed by seawater (i.e. the sea near "Dvarka"; there are Youtube video's about it, if one is interested, and some claim to actually have found the historical place). Rama however was killed on land (at least that is what they told me) and the professor, Mr. Whaling thought it would be easier to find clues regarding the place where he died.
He also told me Rama was executed and they called this a service ? I think there is a lot more to be told about Rama. But they just focused on this one aspect. I thought the whole scene was so disrespectful. For millions of people in Asia Rama is an important God ... Also the only reason why Krishna is important to the BK seems to be that he is, according to them, the presumed reïncarnation of Mr. Lekraj, another mutilation to an Asian beloved God.
"Did he [Mr. Whaling] self identify as a BK to you ? "
He told me he was not within the BK which I found quite strange because he was actually helping them along the way and they supported him (morally). But he told me to be not totally infiltrated or incorporated in the BK made it more easy for him to approach other interesting individuals (VIP's) and move about freely. And it seemed to me this was his choice.
How do you think he [Mr. Whaling] fitted into the BK machine and what sort of services was he providing for the BKs ?
I think he was and is (at least) in the inner circle of the European section of the BK.
He also does promote them by PR business. Regarding "the students vs. ex-politicians meetingfora" he promoted, I tend to say that Mr. Whaling was also sort of an engineer of new idea's. I don't know if always he was really taken seriously though. I can only base my opinion on the two "meetings" I had with Mr. Whaling in class and upon future developments of his plans and uttered "predictions".
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At the time Mr. Whaling told me that, when he was working at the Oxford University, he also had the ability to publish freely. He used this 'carte blanche' to also print a lot of (probably) BK PR material. He told me that once he had ordered hundreds if not thousands of booklets (or something alike). The worker started early in the morning but the press had to be kept printing the whole night through (until noon ?) next day for printing all the material.
I asked if Mr. Whaling was already printing material he needed for the Mexican SML project (25,000 course members). He answered, "Yes, sort of, and some extra just to keep in store for the BK in case they need it."
"And if they don't need it ?", I asked.
"Oh, then we will just throw it away", he answered.
I told him I thought it was a fraud and that he had to seek other ways to publish. He told me he had tried but it was difficult because no one wanted to print it. (He couldn't afford it also himself and the BK would not support him!). He told me it wouldn't matter though, multiplying via the Oxford University because no one at the university would ask and the man in charge of printing it all wouldn't see the difference anyway (between university stuff and "university stuff").