Deep State, BKs, and the Alt-Right

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Deep State, BKs, and the Alt-Right

Post22 Feb 2017

There existed a shadow government consisting of and controlled by a fraction of the 1% in the United States of America. The group had its start around the time when the American Civil War ended. The group has been called Deep State (DS) and gives US Presidents scrips instructing them to manage the business of the United States and the world. Woodrow Wilson and Eisenhower have warned the global community of the almost omnipotence of DS. Eisenhower in a departing speech warned of the rise of the military industrial complex (MIC), one of the components of DS. DS has called the orders for the erasing of the Kennedy Brothers, Martin Luther King Jr, and Malcom X. DS also funded and assisted in the rise to power of the Third Reich.

How is DS connected to the Alt-Right, ultra-conservative philosophies, and the BK? The presence of the BKs at the United Nations is one sign of its association with DS. Another flag connecting the BKs to DS is the increase in economic potential of the BKs in India and the Western Hemisphere. DS is part of a global net work of a fraction of the world's 1% who dictate orders to the ruling class. There seems to be some confusion in the US media on connections between DS and the Alt-Right movement, and the Trump administration. The US media is failing to inform the world that the Trump administration is not following the script given to it after the 2016 election. One sign of miscommunication has been disputes between the Trump administration and the US intelligence community. Due to the national security mistakes, General Flynn had to make his exit as National Security boss.

Ian Fleming, as a commander of British Naval Intelligence during WW II, was one of the grand architects of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). The CIA morphed from the OSS that was created by DS. All of Fleming's James Bond novels can be read as coded messages to the lay public about the potentialities and reach of the sinister tentacles of DS all phases of society, including a global organization of yogis dressed in white saris and pajamas.
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Re: Deep State, BKs, and the Altright

Post22 Feb 2017

Here are two key references.

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Engdahl, F.W. (2013, December 31). The gods of money. [Video file] Retrieved from http://search.aol.com/aol/video?q=gods+ ... archbox-ac

Public Intelligence Blog. (2016). Danny Sheehan with Gary Null: Four interviews – New Reflections on the Deep State, money, nazis, and murder. Retrieved from https://phibetaiota.net/2016/07/danny-s ... nd-murder/
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Re: Deep State, BKs, and the Altright

Post23 Feb 2017

Conflating the BKs with the rest of the plutocrats* is to give them a reputation of influence that they do not wield. The UN connection and status is a minor one, no different to many other NGOs, some of whom do actually contribute practically to detailed policy development for various UN departments. The BKs as a religious NGO, really there for the ecumenical ‘feelgood’ factor the UN wants to engender. These kinds of NGOs mainly spout platitudes and motherhood statements that offend no-one and effect little change.

plutocrat - a person of sufficient wealth that they wield power and influence over society, usually indirectly or from behind the scenes, out of the public gaze.
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Re: Deep State, BKs, and the Altright

Post23 Feb 2017

Pink, we have to be very careful and not underestimate the current ascent of the BKs to plutocratic status. Their plutocratic status is not yet at the level of the Vatican, which happened over a 1900 year period. However, the BKs have been rising to a plutocratic status.
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Re: Deep State, BKs, and the Alt-Right

Post23 Feb 2017

At present, I would tend to see the BKs as what they called in Soviet politics ... "useful idiots" (polezniye duraki).

That is "individuals perceived as a propagandist for a cause whose goals they are not fully aware of, and who are being used cynically by the leaders of the cause". And, in the case of the BKs, they have an instinctively tendency towards "knowing which side of their bread is buttered" ... as in, perceiving where their so very worldly influences - money, land, legal and political protection - are best served and being willing and able to suckle up to anyone offering anything that benefits them.

Therefore, could I imagine a political agenda in the future where the Brahma Kumaris and their techniques are used as a non-threatening (to those in power) passifying element, good for passifying and disempowering any social movements that challenge those in power, whether a government or a - more likely - corporation ... yes, I think we are already seeing that at a corporate level in India where the BKs are willing to go into factories and passify workers.

But I don't know enough about Indian society to know what it's "deep state" is (the "state within a state" that exerts influence and control over public and foreign policy, regardless of which political party controls the country's democratic institutions).

Perhaps an understanding of it by Lekhraj Kirpalani explains his any democracy stance?

As long a go as the 1980s, individuals such a Lord Carrington (Trilateral Commission, Bilderburgers, Kissinger associate) were sniffing around the BKs ... but I don't think it went anywhere. There was a famous story of how some KGB were meant to have rolled up in Mount Abu and then driven off. The BKs tentacles are certainly extending deep into Indian politics, military/police and even intelligence (albeit equating BKism and intelligence is a bit of an oxymoron to me).

In relative term, their expansion has been rapid thanks to 20th C technologies ... but is there really the intelligence within BKism to be or become "players" in the game?

I always thought Major General Smedley Butler offered the best insight into the supra-political game going on far above our heads with his "War Is A Racket" speech having been head-hunted by them.

The BKs ... I tend to think their over riding principle of "expedience" would lead them into anything, as in "what's in it for us?" Land, property, funding, opportunities to proselyte ... they'd sup with any old devil - and offer him a seat on their stage at some mega-programme - if there was something in it for them.

If Donal Trump showed any interest in coming to Abu ... they'd be all over him. Like any old fashioned gold digger ... they simply *love* rich and powerful men.

Can anyone think of a situation where the BKs took a moral stance or a political position that countered that of the estab lishment?

And, of course, there is a whole other money-and-power game going on in India.
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Re: Deep State, BKs, and the Alt-Right

Post24 Feb 2017

Thank you, Ex-I.

I recalled Janki bragging that she would not leave the UK until Her Majesty Elizabeth II came to the London BK Raj Yoga Center and handed over power to her, Ms. Janki. Janki now resides at Abu and there was no media coverage of the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain handing over power to a yogini.

The deep states in every country are all inter-connected, with the UK and the USA as major control centers. The Vatican is another player. The Murlis have called the activities of deep state, the greatest wonderful game. Within the deep state it is called the great game.

The world is a chess board on which deep state plays a game of human chess.

Kissinger was against the Guyana Government allowing the Cuban planes transporting Cuban troops to refuel at the Cheddi Jagan International Airport. In the early fall of 1976, CIA operatives bombed a passenger aircraft from Guyana bound for Cuba. Some of my friends were on the flight. Deep state played a key role in the assassination of Patrice Lumumba in the Congo, Che Guvera in Bolivia, and kept a close eye on Guyana, because they feared Guyana would have become another Cuba.
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Re: Deep State, BKs, and the Alt-Right

Post24 Apr 2017

There is a DS in India and some of its roots go back to the DS in the West. There are also other components in it dissimilar to what you may find in the West. As far as I can tell, BKs are not connected to it. However, they seriously run the risk of inadvertently empowering the DS in its activities, because BK teachings actively adopt some tenets of Abrahamic religions while actively discarding some from the Vedic system, potentially leaving a swath of population vulnerable.

I don't see BKs as useful idiots. There are not needed. There are many others readily available and being used in India for that purpose.
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Re: Deep State, BKs, and the Alt-Right

Post25 Apr 2017

"Useful idiots" are useful in the practical meaning of the world.

It refers to groups or individuals easily manipulated by their own interests to serve, e.g. the 'deep state', the cabal, soviet cause etc.
Someone who supports one side of an ideological debate, but who is manipulated and held in contempt by the leaders of their faction or is unaware of the ultimate agenda driving the ideology to which they subscribe. The term originated in early 1950s America in reference to members of the Socialist Party, allegedly promoted by the malevolent KGB to weaken America as a nation.

For example, the Brahma Kumaris bizarre relationship with the United Nations Organisation which they are in love with because it given then the appearance of credibility ... but who knows how it is being used.

I suspect the same is true of their relationship with the BJP etc in India.

Like you say, the BKs have sold their soul to the sources of power, money and property ... they'd happily sell the "filthy shudras" (non-BKs) of India to whatever corporation want to hire them to do pacification of the working classes courses.

For the BKs, the perfect human being is a well behaved, unquestioning (and unpaid) slave happy to work without any rights whatsoever.

They share that interest with many large and global corporations!
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Post26 Apr 2017

Most of the political leaders, left, right and center are within the tentacles of Deep State. This fall will mark a 40 year relationship between the BKs and the United Nations, a creation of Deep State.
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Post29 Apr 2017

ex-l wrote:For example, the Brahma Kumaris bizarre relationship with the United Nations Organisation which they are in love with because it given then the appearance of credibility ... but who knows how it is being used.

I suspect the same is true of their relationship with the BJP etc in India.

So far there is no evidence that BKs are being used by any DS.
ex-l wrote:Like you say, the BKs have sold their soul to the sources of power, money and property ... they'd happily sell the "filthy shudras" (non-BKs) of India to whatever corporation want to hire them to do pacification of the working classes courses.

I did not say this.

But I do recall BK Usha once saying how she pacified workers of a company who had been laid off on behalf of the owners. I don't know if money or favors were exchanged. I am not aware of any other instance in which BKs have pacified working classes on behalf of corporations.
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Re: Deep State, BKs, and the Alt-Right

Post30 Apr 2017

I have read these posts and must say something.

The name "deep state” is not meant to be applied to the foreground players, the bit players, the hangers on, the loudest cheer-squads, it's not the UN, the BKWSU, the government, Google, the EU, the IMF.

The deep state refers to the machinery and relationships that continue when the actors in the lead roles change, while the influence of different organisations fluctuates.

There is of course relationship between the front organisations and those who ”call the shots” from within the deep state. But even that idea of particular plutocrats "calling the shots" is tenuous. It is really a dynamic generated in local and international relationships that goes back generations, and plays out through whatever structures exist.

The Trump administration is the most transparent of the relationship between foreground and background since the George W Bush administration with Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld blatantly promoting then profiting from the war in Iraq.

Trump’s puerile bluntness should enable the populace to see the machinery more clearly and will lead to reforms to minimise such corruption. (Remember Trump only received 17% of eligible voters’ votes. 83% of eligible voters did not vote for him, and 63% did not vote at all!).

There is a deeper state than this - it's called 'the people'.

Here’s a post from Professor of History, Boston College Heather Cox Richardson, on who the Republican Party in the USA has been serving since its formation.
Heather Cox Richardson

All the time, people tell me that they are afraid American democracy is dying. They point to the fact that every branch of the government is now heavily weighted against regular Americans toward the wealthy. They worry about President Trump, who has gutted the government and turned power over to his children, apparently so Trump family members can use their positions to line their own pockets.

No one has faith the Republican Congress will stop them. Congresspeople seem willing to overlook behavior that would have sunk any other president because they want Trump to deregulate business and slash taxes on the wealthy. Regular Americans seem to have little hope of stopping the rise of this oligarchy, since the Supreme Court's decision in the Citizens United case lets businesses pour money into political contests, and Republicans have gamed the system through gerrymandering to hold a majority of congressional seats even when they lose.

All of these things are true. But I don't despair, because we have been here before and American democracy has not only survived, it has thrived.

Today looks much like the turn of the twentieth century. After the Civil War, big business Republicans took control of the government. Their policies built a very wealthy class of industrialists, but most Americans fell farther and farther behind. By 1888, Republicans were deeply unpopular, and they knew it. In the presidential election that year, they invented modern campaign finance when they hit up industrialists for money, but even their huge war chest could not overcome voters' distrust of a government that worked only for the wealthy.

Republican presidential candidate Benjamin Harrison lost the popular vote by about 100,000 votes: it took some juggling in the Electoral College put him in the White House. As soon as Harrison was safely elected, his people immediately set out to guarantee that Republicans would never lose control of the government, even if they could not win a majority of votes.

They gamed the system first by quietly buying one of the most popular magazines in the country and turning it into a mouthpiece for the administration. Then they carved the empty West into six new states to add to the Union-- North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, and Washington-- in the belief that they could count on those new states to vote Republican. Thus the Senate, at least, would always stay in Republican hands, and the additional votes Republican could claim in the Electoral College should also protect the presidency. Then they launched a number of plans to keep poor people from voting. And they promised that, if only they kept passing legislation to help big business, wealth would trickle down to everyone.

Voters had had enough. Despite the new voting restrictions, they threw Harrison out in 1892. When Republicans lost control of the White House and Congress, business interests hunkered down in the Supreme Court. Over the next decade, the court declared the income tax unconstitutional, gave the president power to arrest protesters, outlawed business regulations, and blessed racial segregation.

Like today, regular Americans looking at the nation in the 1890s might have despaired that they could ever break the hold of the rich on government. But rather than giving up, workers and women and farmers and entrepreneurs protested. As business interests pushed harder to cement control they alienated not only Democrats, but also moderate Republicans, who argued there was not much point in defending their party if it meant undermining American democracy itself.

Popular support shifted away from letting businessmen run the government. Americans took a firm stand on democracy. Across the nation's political spectrum, people insisted that the government should not privilege the wealthy, but rather should keep the playing field level between all Americans. Democrats and Republicans-- as well as Socialists and Populists-- embraced that principle. And by the early twentieth century, regular Americans had taken the government back. The era that followed, the Progressive Era, gave us business regulation, workers' protections, consumer protection, infrastructure, clean cities, conservation, and a strong economy.

It seems to me that we are at a similar turning point today.
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Re: Deep State, BKs, and the Alt-Right

Post02 May 2017

The DS evolves over time. Used to primarily include circles of bankers and plutocrats. Today the bunch also includes media magnates. So far I don't see their influence on BKs. BKs are small potatoes. They could be influenced through the government down the road.
Pink Panther wrote:There is a deeper state than this - it's called 'the people'.

Here’s a post from Professor of History, Boston College Heather Cox Richardson, on who the Republican Party in the USA has been serving since its formation: 'And by the early twentieth century, regular Americans had taken the government back.'

Alas, this is far from the truth. Richardson's article is astonishingly shallow. Yes, 'the people' try to wrest control of the democracy or whatever system they live under, but they take a step forward and the DS pulls them back two. For example, in the early twentieth century, when Richardson claims that regular Americans took the government back, they got the Federal Reserve, which despite its official sounding name, is a private entity that controls US's, and hence the World's economy, without accountability to anyone. There are countless such examples.

Every time the common man threatens to revolt, he is thrown just enough to placate him in exchange for more control on him.

Trump has revolted against the media so far, but is unlikely to break ranks with bankers and plutocrats.
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Re: Deep State, BKs, and the Alt-Right

Post03 May 2017

Hello Arbit,

There are lots of documents demonstrating ways in which the BKs are used by DS. Countries such a India and Guyana have very intricate connections with DS. There was a Guyana factor contributing to the BK's acquiring the NGO status ticket. Let's re-examine the history of India. It was a colony of Great Britain one of the members of the club of DS. During the British raj, India was one of the major centers of espionage for the British government. The BKs as a name brand could not have become popular without the green light from DS.

Let us also re-examine Guyana's history, the history absent from most history books, unless they are written by Walter Rodney and similar deep thinking historians. L.F.S. Burnham was Prime Minister, and later founding President on Guyana from 1964 to 1985. Burnham personally allowed the BKs to set up shop in the only Anglophone in South America. Two years after the BKs were established in Guyana, a New York Times article demonstrated that Mr. Burnham was on the payroll of the United States Central Intelligence Agency.

In the book: In Spies We Trust, there is a whole chapter on Guyana. Rhodri Jeffreys-Jones, though he tried to explain why Guyana does not have a popular press profile, did not mention the details of Guyana's geo-strategic importance. The incidence at Jones Town in Guyana was a false flag operation and a very close call for a nuclear confrontation between Russia and the US, because of DS. The KGB can be credited as saving the world from a nuclear confrontation during the Jones Town incident. How much did the BKs know about Jones Town?

Fiction can, in many instances be closer to the truth than the false stories in the mainstream media. In Eric Van Lusbader's novel 'Kaisho', DS is called 'Looking Glass'.
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Re: Deep State, BKs, and the Alt-Right

Post03 May 2017

Hello Pink,

I'll say this about Trump. He has been given a script by DS. It seems that he has not been following it very closely. I will let history inform us about the fate of world leaders, including US presidents who refused to follow the script given to them by DS for the role in governance.
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Re: Deep State, BKs, and the Alt-Right

Post03 May 2017

In London, Lord Peter Carrington (KIssinger Associates, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission) came sniffing around the BKs but nothing came of it to my knowledge.

We can only speculate what his interest was.

Like any old fashioned gold digger or social climber, the BKs love rich, powerful, influential men and would bend over for them. I would certainly not expect the BKs to defend "the people".

The BKs primary stated goal is not to become part of the top of the pyramid but to be *recognised* as the very top ... the eye of the pyramid.
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