xpbk wrote:Are you [Pink Panther] claiming that you are more intelligent, compassionate than me? I really wish it is true. I am dying to find such people.
I wish it were true too.
Unfortunately it seems no-one is more intelligent or more compassionate than the one who thinks they are more intelligent and more compassionate.
Look xpbk, you wrote a very petulant post and implied you were gone and not coming back. I responded to both those things.
The main point I made was made more diplomatically by ex-l, "what does it matter?" No one is a BK or a PBK because they are working from a position of rationalism and intelligence examining solid proofs. People join and stay with BKs becuase of the things it gives them in terms of ego, validation, community, purpose, position, a path for promotion and further validation, instant guru-dom and sense of spiritual achievement and, of course, some just like the nice feelings in meditation.
It is well observed that ego wants to sustain that which sustains it. Most people don't like to admit error or make changes unless it is more painful to not admit error and not change. For BKs, PBKs and many in organised religions, the first symptoms of the pain is a sense that there is a lack of cohesion in the teachings and/or the practice, an instinctive feeling murmuring below that things aren't quite right but which our ego suppresses. However, once the questions begin and don’t receive satisfactory answers, the inquisition begins. Then one day we realise the ones who have been fooling us the most are ourselves.
It is at that point we stop trying to come up with a truer version of ”Gyan” and equivocations for all the discrepancies and start trying to come up with a truer version of ourselves, self honesty and admitting that it’s not just others that get fooled by cults, gurus and charismatic ”leaders” .
We project what we idealise on to them and they project it back, then we feel we have found where we belong. Then we realise, like we do with our parents, that they are not perfect, that they have many failings and so we project our ideal into a new quest, to make ourselves that same ideal without needing them to reflect it for us. We see that as a new level of awareness, independent spirituality.
In fact, it is just a redirected delusion based on the same framework.
Now, it's great if your investigations come up with actual facts and proofs (both words mean ”things done”) to burst through the facade of these organisations. But leave aside any theories and speculations These abound within the BKs, every BK has their pet theory of what's really going on and what is the actual history and predicted future because most of them are stuck in that ”rationalisation” phase of trying to reconcile all the contradictions.