Hello!
I made a few corrections to the BKWSU-Article on WP. Mainly it was editing the article so that POV-messages would be non-POV-messages afterward. Mainly by adding "they believe" to sentences.
When I noticed that an edit war was going on I registered an account for the English language WP (English is not my mother tounge.), so that people can identify edits made by me. My account name is "Capt. Lochley".
Then I tried to clarify the part about "view of Christianity".
What was there was:
View of Christianity
Contrary to the beliefs of Christianity, just as the BKWSU claims God the Father was now sharing a body with Brahma Baba, in the same way Christ had entered the body of Jesus. The groups says it was Jesus who suffered on the cross, not Christ. Christ, the pure Son of God left the body early and went to take rebirth to help guide his fledgling religion into maturity. They claim that many more secrets about Christ and the other religious founders have been revealed by Baba.[98]
They believe that thier god Shiva is identical to the Christian god. While Christian religion is seen as being tought only by a child of god (Christ) ("inspired by soul consciousness") the belief of the Brahma Kumaris is seen as being insprired by the one unborn god Shiva ("inspired by god consciousness"). Therefore Christian Gyan (spiritual knowledge) is seen as being impure while Brahma Kumaris Gyan is seen as the pure truth.
What I added was:
They believe that thier god Shiva is identical to the Christian god. While Christian religion is seen as being tought only by a child of god (Christ) ("inspired by soul consciousness") the belief of the Brahma Kumaris is seen as being insprired by the one unborn god Shiva ("inspired by god consciousness"). Therefore Christian Gyan (spiritual knowledge) is seen as being impure while Brahma Kumaris Gyan is seen as the pure truth.
This is the link to the diff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =145080625
That part was removed by a user called Green108 on grounds that it lacked references.
I then asked on Green108s User Discussion Page why. He/she answered on mine. This is what I got:
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== Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University ==
Hello Green108!
I have never before heard that one should discuss modifications to a page on the discussion page first. Could you please tell me where it is written that I should do so with this page?
Why did you delete my addition to the "View of Christianity" section in the article? Adding a "needs citation" would have been enough for the moment, don't you think?
Did you remove it because you don't believe it's true? Or out of other reasons? - If so: What reasons?
Regards,
[[User:Capt. Lochley|Capt. Lochley]] 23:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: hi captain.....no , i think you were basically right in what you wrote , the problem is we have been through a war zone on this page and folks are going to come down hard on you unless you back up your idea with quotes and things
: sorry , i did not have time to leave a note earlier......tryasking Bksimonb what the rules are , he is the head boy on this page
: i mean it well , so do not be offended.....try writing your contributions in Word first to spellcheck them , you made a few spelling errors it was just easier to take the section out first
: oh.....and check out the discussion page of the article to have a chat with the BKs about your changes otherwise they will go mad about them after.i wanted to give you a chance to get it right first
: welcome aboard [[User:Green108|Green108]] 01:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:: Hello Green108!
:: You say "the BKs will go mad". Then I take it you are nit a BK? From your user page I git the Impression that you are one yourself? At least the citations seem to indicate that you know a lot about their teachings. If not, what are you? An ex-BK or a PBK?
:: Are you perhaps the same person who is "mr green" on the brahmakumaris.info board?
:: Regarding typos: You could just go and fix them, cannot you?
I could do I just did not have time to then.....sorry .when I have something important to write ,i do it in a word processor first to catch the mistakes
best join in the discussion and put your proposed edits up there first , thanks[[User:Green108|Green108]] 11:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
: What about my other questions? [[User:Capt. Lochley|Capt. Lochley]] 13:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
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I have two questions:
1: I have difficulty "putting Green108 in a box". I don't know what to think of him. On one hand he has stuff on his User Page that seems to indicate that he is a BK or perhaps a PBK. (Citations from Gyan, the sentence: "I am a peaceful soul".) On the other hand he talks about "the BKs" on my discussion page as if they were his adversaries. And what he does is I think counterproductive to revealing the truth about the BKWSU. I mean this is what I learned in the center from the BKs! I just don't have any physical evidence of that.
2: Has anyone got references to back up my claims? If so: please tell me!
I would like to get invlolved in setting the article right, but as I am not in a very good shape of mind at the moment I cannot do it alone. Can anyone give me more background on the "edit war" and who plays whis role in this "war"? Frankly I am not willing to read the lakhs of lines of discussion before ever contributing anything to the article.
Kind regards,
Ardha.