Good quotes

for discussing science, relationships, religion or non-BK spirituality.
  • Message
  • Author
Offline
User avatar

ex-l

ex-BKWSU

  • Posts: 9448
  • Joined: 07 Apr 2006

Re: Good quotes

Post19 Dec 2016

The future ... what is the that? The future is just another crappy version of the present.

It's some bribe people offer to make you do what they want, not what you want.

- Cameron Howe, from 'Halt and Catch Fire'
Offline
User avatar

Pink Panther

  • Posts: 1344
  • Joined: 14 Feb 2013

Re: Good quotes

Post24 Dec 2016

To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead

- Thomas Paine, English-American political activist & revolutionary 1737-1809
Offline
User avatar

Pink Panther

  • Posts: 1344
  • Joined: 14 Feb 2013

Re: Good quotes

Post27 Jan 2017

If God is left out of sex, it becomes pornographic; if sex is left out of God, it becomes pious and self-righteous.”

- Leonard Cohen
Offline
User avatar

Pink Panther

  • Posts: 1344
  • Joined: 14 Feb 2013

Re: Good quotes

Post05 Mar 2017

First of all, one must enquire into what the religious mind is; not what religion is, but that quality of the mind and the heart that is religious.

One can give a great many meanings to that word 'religion', depending on one's conditioning - either accepting it emotionally, sentimentally or devotionally, or totally denying the whole question of a religious attitude, a religious way of life, as a great many people do. One is rather ashamed even to talk about religious matters. But the religious mind has nothing whatsoever to do with belief in God - it has no theory, philosophy, or conclusion, because it has no fear and therefore no need for belief.

...A mind that is dependent on authority and therefore incapable of standing alone, incapable of understanding, incapable of looking directly [for itself], such a mind must inevitably have fear of going wrong, of not doing the right thing, of not reaching the ecstasy that is promised or that one hopes for. All such forms of authority must absolutely come to an end; which means to have no fear, no dependency on another (there is no guru) and a mind that is not seeking experience.

The religious mind does not belong to any group, any sect, any belief, any church, any organized circus; therefore it is capable of looking at things directly and understanding things immediately. Such is the religious mind, because it is a light to itself. Its light is not lit by another - the candle that is lit by another can be put out very quickly.

And most of our beliefs, dogmas, rituals, are the result of propaganda which has nothing whatsoever to do with a religious life. A religious mind is a light to itself and therefore there is no punishment or reward.

- Jiddu Krishnamurti, BEYOND VIOLENCE PART III CHAPTER 3 LONDON 4TH PUBLIC TALK 30TH MAY 1970 'THE RELIGIOUS MIND'
Offline
User avatar

Pink Panther

  • Posts: 1344
  • Joined: 14 Feb 2013

Re: Good quotes

Post19 Mar 2017

RIP Chuck Berry, musical revolutionary.
Another side of Chuck Berry who did a version of this poem on an album in the 1970s.


Chuck Berry ”Pass Away” - with Robbie Robertson
The King's Ring - by Theodore Tilton

I.

Once in Persia reigned a King,
Who upon his signet ring
Graved a maxim true and wise,
Which, if held before his eyes,
Gave him counsel, at a glance,
Fit for every change or chance:
Solemn words, and these are they:
'Even this shall pass away!'

II.

Trains of camels through the sand
Brought him gems from Samarcand;
Fleets of galleys through the seas
Brought him pearls to rival these.
But he counted little gain
Treasures of the mine or main.
What is wealth? the King would say;
'Even this shall pass away.'

III.

In the revels of his court,
At the zenith of the sport,
When the palms of all his guests
Burned with clapping at his jests,
He, amid his figs and wine,
Cried, O loving friends of mine!
Pleasure comes, but not to stay:
'Even this shall pass away.'

IV.

Lady fairest ever seen
Was the bride he crowned his queen.
Pillowed on the marriage-bed,
Whispering to his soul, he said,
Though a bridegroom never pressed
Dearer bosom to his breast,
Mortal flesh must come to clay:
'Even this shall pass away.'

V.

Fighting on a furious field,
Once a javelin pierced his shield.
Soldiers with a loud lament
Bore him bleeding to his tent.
Groaning from his tortured side,
Pain is hard to bear, he cried,
But with patience day by day,
'Even this shall pass away.'

VI.

Towering in the public square
Twenty cubits in the air,
Rose his statue carved in stone.
Then the King, disguised, unknown,
Gazing at his sculptured name,
Asked himself,And what is fame?
Fame is but a slow decay:
'Even this shall pass away.'

VII.

Struck with palsy, sere and old,
Waiting at the Gates of Gold,
Spake he with his dying breath,
Life is done, but what is Death?
Then, in answer to the King,
Fell a sunbeam on his ring,
Showing by a heavenly ray --
Even this shall pass away.

Source:

The Sexton's Tale, And Other Poems.
Copyright 1867
Sheldon And Company, New York.
Offline
User avatar

ex-l

ex-BKWSU

  • Posts: 9448
  • Joined: 07 Apr 2006

Re: Good quotes

Post31 Mar 2017

Unearned confidence* about that which one is ignorant, always has the brightest glow.

* (an inflated sense of self-importance or superiority over others)
Offline
User avatar

Pink Panther

  • Posts: 1344
  • Joined: 14 Feb 2013

Re: Good quotes

Post27 Jun 2017

Delusion is an ironical trickster!

"If you believe in the higher self, it's just a simple trick of the lower self!

If you believe there is no lower self, but only the higher self, or that the lower self is merely something for the higher self to shine through, that's just lending validity to the duality.

If you think you have a lower self—or an ego to get rid of [or transcend]—and you fight against it, nothing strengthens the delusion that it exists more than that.

So this tremendous schizophrenia in humans—of thinking they are rider and horse, soul in command of body, a will that must control passions, and so on—this kind of split thinking simply aggravates the problem. We just get more and more split.

Thinking this way just results in an interior conflict that will never, never get resolved. You either know the true self or you don't, and if you do know it, then this thing we call the lower self ceases to be a problem, because it's just a mirage."

~Alan Watts
Offline
User avatar

Pink Panther

  • Posts: 1344
  • Joined: 14 Feb 2013

Re: Good quotes

Post14 Jul 2017

BKs and other theists love to quote people like Einstein out of context. Saw this question asked today on Quora
Q. If someone like Albert Einstein believed in God, why don't atheists?
Answer from Derek Williams

It’s probably better to let Albert Einstein “speak” for himself:

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

- Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman.

“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.”

- Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954

“During the youthful period of mankind's spiritual evolution, human fantasy created gods in man's own image who, by the operations of their will were supposed to determine, or at any rate influence, the phenomenal world.”

- Albert Einstein, quoted in: 2000 Years of Disbelief, James Haught.

“I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.”

- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2.

“It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.”

- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930.

“I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God.”

- Albert Einstein, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman.
Offline

Arbit

  • Posts: 57
  • Joined: 29 Aug 2014

Re: Good quotes

Post28 Jul 2017

Discussion on "God" gets muddled due to poor understanding of different definitions of "God", especially by those from Abrahamic religion societies (including BKs whose definition of "God" has a strong resemblance to "God" of Abrahmic religions as I have enumerated elsewhere).

For starters, there is a notion of "personal God" and another notion of "impersonal God". Sages from Vedic traditions have spent lifetimes deciphering the concept of "God" and its implications.

I put "God" in quotes because the English word "God" conjures up a definition that is hopelessly inadequate when compared to definitions provided by the Vedic tradition and its derivatives such as Buddhism, Jainism, etc.
Offline
User avatar

ex-l

ex-BKWSU

  • Posts: 9448
  • Joined: 07 Apr 2006

Re: Good quotes

Post28 Jul 2017

As we know now, there was no personal god in the early days of the Brahma Kumaris. "Shiva" did not appear/announce/assert his existence ... was not invented ... until after 1955/56. Prior to that, they shared the concept of the "Brahm" ("infinite light") with other Hindu traditions.

Indeed, they even argued that Lekhraj Kirpalani was quote-unquote "greater than god" because he was a man ... again, a claim we also find in Hinduism about gurus but also something we might propose came from Christian influences; the "god became man" element of Christianity ... their "religous Father". A little bit of Krishna, a little bit of Christ.

Given all that, I've just reconciled their "personal god" as just being Lekhraj Kirpalani, or their attachment and infatuation with Lekhraj Kirpalani. For example, when I remember Dadi Janki talking about her love "my Baba", my feeling is she was still referring to Lekhraj Kirpalani.

Not any cosmic Shiva.

I accept that there were other minor "spirits" involved, e.g. before Shiva or BapDada they used to have seances with "Piyu" who behaved like a channeled being and many people going into trances or noisy rapture, would but they did not conceive of it as being "god".

Strangely, it's only recently that they have been tying the two together ... partly because we over here are forcing them to address their historical revision come up with new explanations, new stories to tie it all together congruently.

I don't care much for the whole 'god gamble' these days whether it's physics or metaphysics.

There's plenty to get on with in the real world without worrying about the next and postulating about the unseeable and uncontrollable. I wish it were all true. I wish I have more confidence and there were reliable, systematised approachs with guaranteed results ... but there don't seem to be.

One of the only favorite quotes I remember from BKism was something like,
"A mouse found a grain of turmeric and started up a shop".

Says it all really. A multi-million dollar, multi-national operation in the case of the BKs, but still a shop!

I think Pink Panther is correct to criticise the BKs abuse of Einstein's "woo factor" and his "god" and there "god spirit" are clearly two entirely different things ... and they are also quotes taken out of context, e.g. a physicist speaking science in religionists' language for playful poetic value rather than to argue a case.

It's a fallacy called, "appeal to authority".
Previous

Return to Anything goes

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests