tom wrote:I don't agree with you dear paulkershaw, what I have seen since I am here is, that all new ones are welcomed warmly without any prejudice, until their posts or their words with some mean intention invoke some rejection in some older members.
Good Morning Tom.
I accept that not everyone will agree with everyone, and so be it, that's part of being part of a forum.
I want to point out dear paulkershaw, please take note how many times in your post you repeat words of feelings but not any facts. You are only expressing your suspicions and fears about to come from the Code of Ethics draft but not bringing any alternative. We need a Code of Ethics, don't we?
In short, NO, I do not believe we do need such ... and, secondly, I did offer an alternative - in the form of a 'Duty of Care" instead of the proposed much less subtle "Code of Ethics".
paulkershaw wrote:I do feel that "Admin' is not the same person/s as before.
Yes, I am still asking the question and nothing than a straightforward response will convince me. If you KNOW differently please post your answer here.
tom wrote:Why are you not asking the reasons to yourself why the 'Admin/s' seem to you not as the same person/s as before. I have asked the same question to myself and answered that I had left Admin/s over a year in their incredible burden alone and not helped enough, being too busy with my own simple life and petty business.
As to the suggested 'burden' that you say 'Admin' has been working with, then I would suggest to say that that is "Admin's problem" - we
all probably take jobs on that have the potential to become too much to handle and then we have a choice, either walk away, cut things out a bit (which is what is being discussed to some exent) or ask for help. The forum used to have moderators helping 'Admin' ... where are they nowadays? This comment in no way makes me unappreciative of the work done to keep this magical healing cyber-place together but that's the way things are. Choices are made and responses are required.
We like to take everything what is served to us unconditionally as granted and don't think what sort of burden it means for the creator, donor. Don't Admin/s also have a private life and a job for living?
I don't FEEL that this has much to do with the subject in hand, namely the
proposed Code of Ethics but in short answer, I have asked that a list be posted so forum members can offer help. I see this has been done and I have gratitude for that. Again, in response to your over-dramatised question about 'Admin''s private life and income' and his/their relvant burdens, you go ask 'Admin' that question - it has nothing to do with me at all, and if 'Admin' cares to comment about this then perhaps my answers above still reflect accordingly. Can we get on with the discussion of the Code of Ethics at some point?
John's opposition is based also on feelings.
Take that up with John accordingly.
In terms of my feelings are you actually saying that my feelings have no validity and that I should ignore 'my feelings' when I become concerned about integrity being maintained? I most certainly hope you're not.
Code of Ethics should be prepared with cool logic and care, based on all prior experiences, considering most of the eventual ethical problems to occur.
Yes, you are correct. This is very reason I began to comment as much as I have in this thread. I am concerned that the Code of Ethics have not been prepared in the light and 'energy' you suggest but have come about, in fact, as a result of personal and negative interaction between particular forum members. Therefore, their problems have suddenly become everyone's. I am still open to debate as to that aspect and will wait to see what will happen. But again we will all have to make a choice if that particular proposed code of ethics comes into play and many people on this forum are not happy about it.