Following on from Notice to BKs, I have a proposal.
When this forum started, we sincerely hoped that all parties effected by the Brahma Kumaris could come together and discuss matters in a logical, adult manner in order to resolve issues. The forum and website was designed to do so and be a independent, objective resource for all. For various reasons, it soon became obvious that was impossible and the evidence we uncovered about the truth of the BKWSU was just too convincingly negative about them.
Personally, I was not involved with the legal defence of this website against Dr Hansa Raval of the BKWSU's irrational and dishonest attack upon us. I stepped out of it until the very end. I cannot say how much assistance certain individuals gave or gave not, nor how useful it was, but I can say it would have been no more than a few emails from a couple of individuals such as Arjun (who I have never spoken badly of), and not the AIVV officially. Arjun has excellent dharna despite his beliefs, and more than anyone I've always defended the PBKs right to their religion and criticise the BKs over their treatment.
When the decision was made to split this forum ... due to the crazy conflicts between the PBKs and the Vishnu Party and the constant 'tub thumping' of certain PBKs ... none of PBKs were willing to come and take responsibility to do any work supporting their own BK/PBK forum. Basically, as far as I know, only two PBKs really did any work/giving beforehand; Arjun and Aimée. As far as I am concerned, the rest of the PBKs just expected a free platform to promote their beliefs and be given to them for nothing.
PBKs are ex-BKs ... but like those ex-BKs who were still stuck in the mindset and looking for a virtual BKWSU to discuss The Knowledge™. They don't want to give up the beliefs and move on, they are still struggling to make sense of it.
The insane conflict between the PBKs (Shankar Party) and the Vishnu Party, of which it has to be said the PBKs were the victims but that it was PBK leader Virendra Dev Dixit's creation for encouraging their leader in the first place, was destroying the atmosphere here to no good effect whatsoever ... except to prove how mad the whole BK/PBK/Vishnu world was.
When we did split the forum, the only person to willing to forward to do something and pay out of his own pocket was Shivsena. He was given a complete copy of the forum and full assistance in setting an alternative forum up. The hardest part of starting a forum is building up enough 'critical mass' to encourage others to join and contribute.
If orthodox PBKs want a complete copy of all the data here to start their own, they can have one as well if they are willing to do the work.
Since that time, the BKs have now started up their own forum up giving two other forums for individuals who want to discuss The Knowledge™ from the point of view of a believer.
I am all for giving people the chance to see the light and against "banning people" but my proposal is the same limitations should be applied to PBKs as BKs. That is, if PBK members want to stick around they should be required to prove some kind of commitment to the website's purposes, i.e. giving not just taking.
But if they are 100% committed to their religion, don't want to change or offer anything, and are just here to ... I don't know what then I just don't see the point any more. This is not the right place for them. This place should be for people who have made the decision to want out, or to stop people getting sucked in.
Any thoughts?
When this forum started, we sincerely hoped that all parties effected by the Brahma Kumaris could come together and discuss matters in a logical, adult manner in order to resolve issues. The forum and website was designed to do so and be a independent, objective resource for all. For various reasons, it soon became obvious that was impossible and the evidence we uncovered about the truth of the BKWSU was just too convincingly negative about them.
button slammer wrote:In the past some PBKs were instrumental in giving evidence against the BKs who were attempting to close this site.
Personally, I was not involved with the legal defence of this website against Dr Hansa Raval of the BKWSU's irrational and dishonest attack upon us. I stepped out of it until the very end. I cannot say how much assistance certain individuals gave or gave not, nor how useful it was, but I can say it would have been no more than a few emails from a couple of individuals such as Arjun (who I have never spoken badly of), and not the AIVV officially. Arjun has excellent dharna despite his beliefs, and more than anyone I've always defended the PBKs right to their religion and criticise the BKs over their treatment.
When the decision was made to split this forum ... due to the crazy conflicts between the PBKs and the Vishnu Party and the constant 'tub thumping' of certain PBKs ... none of PBKs were willing to come and take responsibility to do any work supporting their own BK/PBK forum. Basically, as far as I know, only two PBKs really did any work/giving beforehand; Arjun and Aimée. As far as I am concerned, the rest of the PBKs just expected a free platform to promote their beliefs and be given to them for nothing.
PBKs are ex-BKs ... but like those ex-BKs who were still stuck in the mindset and looking for a virtual BKWSU to discuss The Knowledge™. They don't want to give up the beliefs and move on, they are still struggling to make sense of it.
The insane conflict between the PBKs (Shankar Party) and the Vishnu Party, of which it has to be said the PBKs were the victims but that it was PBK leader Virendra Dev Dixit's creation for encouraging their leader in the first place, was destroying the atmosphere here to no good effect whatsoever ... except to prove how mad the whole BK/PBK/Vishnu world was.
When we did split the forum, the only person to willing to forward to do something and pay out of his own pocket was Shivsena. He was given a complete copy of the forum and full assistance in setting an alternative forum up. The hardest part of starting a forum is building up enough 'critical mass' to encourage others to join and contribute.
If orthodox PBKs want a complete copy of all the data here to start their own, they can have one as well if they are willing to do the work.
Since that time, the BKs have now started up their own forum up giving two other forums for individuals who want to discuss The Knowledge™ from the point of view of a believer.
I am all for giving people the chance to see the light and against "banning people" but my proposal is the same limitations should be applied to PBKs as BKs. That is, if PBK members want to stick around they should be required to prove some kind of commitment to the website's purposes, i.e. giving not just taking.
But if they are 100% committed to their religion, don't want to change or offer anything, and are just here to ... I don't know what then I just don't see the point any more. This is not the right place for them. This place should be for people who have made the decision to want out, or to stop people getting sucked in.
Any thoughts?