Re: Sword of Justice
Posted: 26 Oct 2010
ex-l wrote:Hi Sword, I have just read your long post.
I think what you are seeing, and mistaking the BKWSU for, is your own romantic and idealised spiritual path. It appears to be a very good one in theory. On the basis of our experience, I doubt the Brahma Kumaris leaders will be very interested in it. It sounds like you are not following the principles. You are pretty much a non-person to them. If you have no money, and no status, my prediction is that they will not be interested in you at all.
I notice you sidestep a lot of issue just like Brahma Kumaris do. Perhaps that is a habit you picked up from them too? The words BapDada says specifically about the Nuclear Holocaust that the Brahma Kumaris claim is about to engulf humanity is that "you will give courage ... you will inspire" etc etc.. He does not come out with the kind of waffly theory that neo-BKs do, about "raised vibrations bring it about" or something, he specifically states, you will give courage to the scientists to use the bombs ... the bomb have been made and will be used". Address this please.
As for the history, you missed the point about. You really know nothing about the history. You have swallowed the propaganda version hook, line and sinker. There are a few original books and posters from the 30s and 40s that the Brahma Kumaris leaders kept secret and hidden from BKs followers. Start with them.
Lekhraj Kirpalani and they were insane with their own arrogance, immaturity and vanity. Lekhraj Kirpalani was God until sometime after 1950. There was no Shiva. Destruction was to be in 1950 too (having failed to happen during WWII as he thought). All we really know is that we do not know the truth.
From my memory, BKWSU Australia was always a little more laid back, easy going than other zones. The experience of BKs there has little in comparison with the experience of BKs in India and other developing nations. Please don't mistake your experience as a universal experience and please do something for the victims of the Brahma Kumari Moloch.
Thanks for reading it, Ex-I. I think when I first saw some of your posts that I misjudged you. You're quite civilised.
It all just came bubbling out. errr ... quite a long post, amazing anyone read it.
Twenty years ago I saw some of the early material. Yeah, I know that Dada Lekhraj thought he was God for a long, long time and I've read some of his early letters. A lot of fire and brimstone stuff.
Giving scientists courage to use the bomb. Yeah, OK, I'll try and address it. It would be a sh*t thing to wish for if it was just that. But like I said, the raw teaching is that a better world will come, and if you read the teachings closely you'll see that this so called better world is a world based on soul consciousness. That is something I can cope with. So I see in a different context and not in that negative way where someone would wish the world to end.
I'll stop there because you may think it's the BK propaganda spouting out again.
In another thread I was trying to point out that other religions have end of the world stuff in them too. I think you and maybe a few others were saying that's basically crap because is all just a lie to mind control you and screw your life up, pointing out rightly that many people have used religion in the most hideous and wrong ways.
I don't accept that argument because I see so, so many good Christians and Muslims who are absolutely decent people. They seem to me to get some kind of genuine life guidance and sustenance from their religion, even despite the "end of the world" content. And that's all I am saying, a follower of a religion can either be screwed up or absolutely fine. It's how the religion is used in one's life and one's real, genuine intentions and actions that count. Just because a religion has end of the world stuff in it, it does not mean that the practitioners have to have some dark, negative view of life and the world. I mean how many Hindus are warm and lovely people? They too believe in a world cycle and therefore an end to the Iron Age.
It doesn't make you an evil or screwed up person.
If you want to damn Christianity for all the immense and innumerable crimes done in it's name, I would draw your attention to Bishop Desmond Tutu. In my eyes, a wonderful human being who has done amazing good. And yet he is an active and practising Christian, in fact high in the organisation of his church. So I believe it's just not truthful to damn all practitioners of a philosophy because wrong has been done by some.
Yeah, over these last few years my practice of BK principles has been wavering, I'll be honest with you. However, they are increasing. I have to go slowly, it's just a personal thing. Does it mean the BK insiders will shun me? Not so far, they've been great actually. Is it all a con? Well if I find that it's a sham I'll come here and post that, don't worry about that. I hope you can tell I am an honest type of person. Naive and idealistic maybe, I've been told that many times in my life.
It's quite possible that BK in Australia is more laid back. Man, I love that quality in Australians! I take your word for it that it has a different aspect in other places.
Anyway, ex-I I really want to thank you for engaging so constructively with me and my idealistic posts. If you want to speak further, happy to get a PM or e-mail or whatever.
Seeing Kate's reaction in the other thread, I've resolved to stop posting here. It aint doing any good in my view. Anyone who wants to hate BK, well go ahead. If I continue then I'll just cop abuse because I am rubbing people the wrong way. They're upset. I can see that. If I could, I would stop BKs from doing wrong and stupid things. But my adult mind now understands the world sure aint perfect... I see politics and wrong doing wherever human beings exist.
I am personally truely regretful that anyone wearing white clothes would not follow the high minded idealistic principles I aspire to as a New Age hippie ex-BK. Because I see those principles directly expressed in the morning classes and as I see it is the foundation of being a BK. Hardly "soul consciousness" in action if you shout at someone, is it? Yet I don't see much wrong with the BKs I mix with here in Australia I have to say. Very nice, centres are like oases of peace. Laid back is good ...
I wanted to contribute something constructive to people who are suffering after leaving BK because I absolutely hate the thought that anyone should commit suicide or suffer. I went through all the symptoms as I see others have. Your posts to ex BKs are often very rational and positive to help them move into a more normal life in the right way. I can only echo and reinforce those points made about getting over negativity and moving forward to have a happy, full, and creative normal life. BK has no monopoly on truth, on spiritual experience, and should never be taken in a destructive form, even if someone tries to push that on you. We have to take ownership for our lives and review if something is working or not. Of course, I have my hippie views on practicing it in a more gentle way... :)
OK that's it. Thanks for reading and ciao.
- Pete