Re: SwordofJustice ... what is 'BK Raja Yoga'?
Posted: 23 Feb 2010
Hi bhupendra!
I'll respond on the other thread, as soon as I can.
I'll respond on the other thread, as soon as I can.
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http://www.brahmakumaris.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2405
bkti-pit wrote:To swordofjustice and clearenow:
I also thank you for winding down your PR speak. I think I understand your position better and I respect that. I was holding a similar position myself. I did it for 25 years, following all disciplines, dedicating myself totally, literally giving my bones, but allowing myself to interpret The Knowledge in a way that would make sense to me.
However, in doing so I was not following every Shrimat and thus I was not strictly following BK Raja Yoga. For each reference I could find in the Murlis to back up my interpretations I could find a bunch that would indicate otherwise but I chose to ignore them.
With time my conscience became more and more uncomfortable with many of the ways of the Yagya (lies, hypocrisy, political maneuvering, etc) and I was seriously considering walking away from it whilst maintaining the BK lifestyle. I still had the faith that it was Gos behind it all and I was thinking that he must have had his reasons why he would let his Yagya be so dishonest and so insensitive and not do or say anything about it. I was however getting closer to the point where I would rather follow my conscience than keep supporting God's Yagya.
This is where I was when I found this website. It was a big eye opener for me to find out that there was no God Shiva in the BK knowledge until 1950 whilst pretty much everything else in The Knowledge was there already (the 5000 years cycle, the five vices, Laksmi-Narayan, etc). It was God Brahma who was considered as the Seed, the Almughty, the Creator and so on, but there was no mention of what is considered to be the most important aspect of The Knowledge: unadulterated remembrance of Incorporeal God Shiva, the Purifier.
It is said in the Murli that it is Shiva who gave that name "Brahma" to Dada Lekraj. It is also said that Shiv Baba started coming in Dada's body in 1936 and that he had been teaching The Knowledge from then and that his first words were: "I am Shiva, I am Shiva..." If that was true, how come Shiv Baba would have allowed it to go on for so long before making it clear about the most important aspect? And if there is a good answer to that, why has it been hidden from us?
The only credible answer for me is that it is a big lie. All those who were there at the time must know when and how the shift from God Brahma to God Shiva happened. It would be interesting to know. Did they simply have such a faith in their God Brahma that when he changed his mind to "Oh it is God Shiva speaking through me..." they accepted it without question? In which case I guess that in their eyes rewriting their history was simply a benevolent tactic (yukti) inspired by God in order to benefit the world.
I am left with the question of what was the nature of my meditation experiences. Where they really experiences of God? I could also make a list of the personal benefits I drew from my beliefs and practices as a BK, including recovery from seriously incapacitating spine injury about which my orthopedist told me that nothing could be done, but does it prove it is God? I have been allowing myself to doubt it. I think it is the only sensible position that I can take for now and I do feel very good about it.
swordofjustice wrote:I see it as he had this enormous power come into him, so he thought he was God. It took years to get to a point of the divine power correcting that ... He was a very religious man.
swordofjustice wrote:I see it as he had this enormous power come into him, so he thought he was God. It took years to get to a point of the divine power correcting that.
ex-l wrote:Welcome back Sword, how did you letter writing campaign go? Any response from the leadership? Any change? (If so, answer in another topic please).
I think we have been fairly consistent is saying 'most' BKs are nice people ... the problem is, where is it all headed, what is it all in service of. That is the problem.
There are no prizes for being nice if the be all and end all of "being nice" is the death of 6 Billion people via a Nuclear Holocaust; and underneath that "nice" is an absolute, spiritual elitism which denies logic and rationale. Needy, dumb and gullible might be three other words I might offer for the stage when individuals offer themselves to surrender to the senior Sisters.
swordofjustice wrote:In fact, Avyakt Murlis in recent years have been about good wishes.
@jann
Why so? I think it's quite constructive to aspire to be better. As long as you can accept yourself, there is no emotional issue in that aspiration. Do you think that there is nothing you could develop further within yourself?
swordofjustice wrote:In the meantime, I do not feel negativity to BK path at all ... I've seen that humane approach many times from BKs here in Australia.
And, yes, I do know some of the history and I do understand that it was very strict.
jann wrote:As God made me as his image, I am perfect just the way I am.
tpd wrote:Beware RAJ Yoga is not the pillar for BKs, it's a tool to affect one's mind.
(One is bound to experience solitude, peace, power and divinity by sitting in peaceful silent room with music, because there are no other inputs to the brain which requires critical brain computing power. So all the resources of our brain are diverted towards memory management and data correction.
Now how does this happen? Whenever the brain access the storage space, it generates electronic signals which we knows as thoughts. And it's stored in permanent location or discarded out of system by their importance "decided by our own criteria". Now. what happens when it finishes the memory management and data correction process? The electric signal stops or subsides gradually ... and we know that state as "SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE".
It is a psychosomatic state, and, by jove, it's not a BK copyright.