Gyan Sarovar resident Brother drowning in a pond: God Speaks

Om Shanti dear sweet family,

Madhuban continues to witnesses every possible scene in drama ... a Gyan Sarovar resident Brother unfortunately left his Chariot on Saturday afternoon by drowning in a pond behind Gyan Sarovar. He did know swimming and had gone there with two other Brothers but perhaps got exhausted mid-way. The Brothers weren't able to reach him on time. It took local authorities 3 hours to find the body. He was Br Sanjeev from Literature Department, Gyan Sarovar, 38 years old.

Madhuban and Gyan Sarovar niwasis carried out final rites this afternoon, and Bhog was offered in Gyan Sarovar in the evening.

Just sharing with you some points of the Bhog Message:

Baba was patting Sanjeevbhai's head gently and lovingly.

Those who are loved by the family are loved by Baba too. Sanjeevbhai's Father had asked the trance messenger to ask Baba a question: When there is so much service here, why was the soul called so early? Baba said, those who are serviceable here are also needed in the task of establishment.

The trance messenger asked Baba: Baba you have called both Lachu Dadi and Sanjeevbhai to the Subtle Region in the month of August, from Madhuban land. Why? Baba said, all of you should not think that only Seniors or Dadis are required in the establishment of heaven. A variety of souls are needed so anyone can be called anytime.

Another question put to Baba: why did not You indicate to us beforehand that You would be calling this Brother? Baba said, The son did not inform anyone where he was going; when you leave the gates of your home, it is respectful and necessary to inform your Seniors or others where you are going.

The son knew swimming, but when he went ahead into the middle of the pond, his courage failed him. He lifted his hands (bystanders and the two Brothers who had gone to the pond with him saw him raise his hands, indicating that he couldn't manage any more). At that moment he remembered Baba. Baba came to the child and lifted him to safety.

Om Shanti

Erm, not my idea of safety BapDada!!

All condolences to his true family.

You will probably find out that the other two BK Brothers were in a trance doing meditation at the time and, hence, did not notice he was drowning ...

Pretty appalling English, pretty banal queries too. Absolute make believe if this is the "God of all Religion". Usual rubbish suggesting that the individual did not suffer or panic but that somehow doing the Brahma Kumaris' Raja Yoga invoked God to come and rescue the 38 year old, what ... box packers or sales assistant? And the moral of the story is that it was his fault for not telling anyone where he was going ... but that he goes off to carry on the work of making heaven on earth.

Would it really have made any difference if someone knew where he was going? BKs will be expected to "take Shrimat" now before having a paddle.

I cannot work out why a "lack of courage" would lead one to drown. A lack of strength or stupidity, yes, but it must have taken "courage" to get in that deep in the first place! I thought the deal the God of the BKs offered was that, "like a mother cat ... not a hair on the head of the children would be disturbed". is not the "pond" not where the drinking water comes from?

I, myself, enjoy swimming. Recently I took part in a community open water swim. 1 mile in the north sea. Temperatures 10-12 degrees. A big swell and choppy waves. About 50 people took part. 4 dropped out half way and were rescued by trained life saver kayakers who towed them to motorboats. Local sailing boats also kept vigilance.

A school girl came in 1st in around 21 mins. Those who made it across the bay received medals, an energy drink and a chocolate snack bar. A barbecue followed with presentations etc. I proudly wore my medal at work the next day, to the amusement of all on the building site ... A well organised event with emphasis on safety. A community event with ages from 11-64. A large crowd supported all the swimmers with cheers and support. This was no secretive sneaky swim.

BKs are so ashamed of their bodies and those of others. Is litttle wonder a tragic event like this was only waiting to happen?

The main thing is safety.

1. Any life saver rings around the ponds?
2. Sounds like no organisation for recreational swimming. I guess the bros were having unofficial swimming whilst wearing kurta pyjamas?
3. I've seen many Indians 'swim' in the local pool. Very unco-ordinated. Lots of thrashing and splashing, and little propulsion, more by enthusiasm than technique. I am not surprised he ran out of steam half way ... tragic and avoidable.
4. A demonstration of the unremiting stupidity of the BKs, who cannot even arrange a swim without drowning themselves.

So completely unorganised. They can spend millions on mega programmes for self-publicity but cannot spend a few quid on basic safety in their own back yard?

News from the Subtle Regions continues to reach. Aspects of the unlimited 'drowning drama' to follow soon. What is courage?

Six Lessons about water survival

Jeremy Holt first became interested in outdoor swimming doing river and lake crossings in the Army 30 years ago. He now teaches water survival techniques on survival weekends for the Duke of Edinburgh's Award. Below, he outlines six key principles of water survival, which he has learned through his own swimming experience. Sometimes I think that I am lucky to be walking about. This article explains some of the reasons why.

If this article helps one person to assess one risk in a more knowledgeable way then it will have served its purpose.

1. I was 7 or 8 and could not yet swim. I was on holiday with my parents in Cornwall and I was playing on the beach at Mullion Cove. I decided to see how far I could walk into the sea keeping my mouth above the level of the water. I got about as far as I thought and then took one further step. I do not know whether there was a small wave or if I had stepped off a small sandbank but my feet no longer touched the bottom. I panicked and all seemed to go black. The next thing that I remember is being laid on the beach and coughing constantly. I found out later that once I had started to thrash in the water a man on a lilo nearby, as well as my Father who ran into the sea, saved me from drowning.

LESSON NO 1 - NEVER GO ANY FURTHER THAN YOU ARE CONFIDENT ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GET BACK SAFELY.

2. Years later I joined a Territorial Army unit that specialised in behind the lines activity. Consequently, we were expected to be able to cross rivers and lakes on our own without any assistance. During training we walked through the night in patrols of four and then at dawn we assembled at the edge of a lake. It had been a cold night and the lake was covered in ice. Two things surprised me when I got to the lake. The first was a man standing upright in a rowing boat dropping an oar on the ice trying to break it. At the time this struck me as a rather fruitless activity. Then I noticed that a number of other people who had got there earlier than me were starting to strip off. It suddenly dawned on me that we were going to be expected to make rafts by tying four of our rucksacks together and then to swim naked across the lake which was largely covered by ice. At that time, I had had no experience of swimming in ice-covered water and rapidly came to the conclusion that I was going to die. When I shared my thought with a number of the others who were there already there they did not seem in the least bit interested. Eventually, I concluded that if everyone else was going to do it then I had better do so as well (that is the way that the Army works). Once we had made our raft I got into the lake naked and swam (rapidly) to the other side.

LESSON NO 2 - EVERYONE IS CAPABLE OF A LOT MORE THAN THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN DO.

3. Later I married and I went on honeymoon to Thailand. The second week of our honeymoon was spent on Phuket beside the sea. Each day I went swimming. A short distance away from one end of the beach was a tropical island. This was uninhabited and I was really tempted to try to swim out to the island to see what it was like. Each day I considered this but what held me back was that there would be no-one to help me if I got into difficulty and I thought that it was rather unfair on my wife for her to be widowed on our honeymoon. I never went. Looking back on it, I am really glad that I did not attempt to do this because I now know that there were probably quite strong currents between the mainland and the island and I could easily have got into difficulty.

LESSON NO 3 - IF YOU THINK IT IS GOING TO BE DODGY, DON'T GO.

4. A couple of years later I was staying with my parents on the Dorset coast and old school friend came to see me. Andrew had served in a rival military unit to mine and although it was November we both went for a swim in the sea. He got out after ten minutes and I thought that I would show how strong I was by staying in for a further twenty. I then got to the edge of the sea and tried to dry myself and get dressed. One of the most frightening things that has ever happened to me in my life then followed, in that my limbs were completely refusing to carry out any of the instructions that my brain was sending to them. I realised immediately that I was suffering from hypothermia. Fortunately, Andrew wrapped me in a towel and bundled me into his car and drove back to my parent's house about a mile away. My mother ran a warm (but not hot) bath and they dumped me in it. I was then able to regain use of my limbs. I often wonder what would have happened if Andrew had not been with me.

(Although this is a fairly grim episode I have tried to turn it for the good because for the last twenty years as a hobby I have run survival weekends for youngsters in Wiltshire. I tell them this story against myself as a graphic example of how hypothermia can creep up on you unawares and by the time that you realised it, it is too late to do anything about it. I hope that some of these youngsters remember the story. I have done everything I can do share the experience with them.)

LESSON NO 4 - ALWAYS, ALWAYS BE AWARE OF HYPOTHERMIA AND TRY NEVER TO SWIM ON YOUR OWN IF IT IS PARTICULARLY COLD.

5. Years later my wife and I were on holiday in Scotland near a loch with a jetty in it. Each morning before breakfast I would go to the jetty, quickly explain to the boatman nearby what I was doing and then dive into the loch. I was interested to see what happened to my body as this was extremely cold water. In case you do not already know, you go white initially as the blood drains away from your skin and then you go lobster red a few minutes as the blood returns to your skin. I had not asked the boatman to look out for me but I am sure that he did.

LESSON NO 5 - ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE WHERE YOU ARE GOING (EVEN IF IT JUST MEANS LEAVING A NOTE) AND ENLIST THE AID OF ANYONE ELSE WHO MAY BE AROUND WATCHING WHAT YOU ARE DOING

From time to time I swim in the Serpentine and I am always reluctant to get in unless there is at least one other person on the bank watching what is happening.

6. My wife and I were staying at a Landmark Trust property near Southampton water. There was a buoy some distance out from the coast and I was tempted to swim out to have a look at it. I asked the man who ran the ice-cream stall whether this was a good idea and he strongly recommended me not to do that. I said that I had wanted to go for a long swim and he said that I should copy what the local swimming club did, which was to go a short distance out from the edge of the coast and then to swim along the coast. This struck me as a bright idea and I have followed this since.

LESSON NO 6 - YOU DO NOT NEED TO GO FAR OUT TO GO FOR A LONG SWIM. IT IS PERFECTLY POSSIBLE TO HAVE A LONG SWIM KEEPING CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF THE SEA OR A LAKE IN CASE YOU GET INTO DIFFICULTY.

Jeremy Holt, June 2010

I would have to suspect that, a) the guy's intuitions were not operating, otherwise he would not have gotten into the situation he did, and b) the guy panicked ... both putting a fullstop to their "power of Yoga" stuff.

So, do we honestly believe that "God" had the time to be watching and "pluck" the soul of this drowning BK? Or is it another situation like the BK Dawn Griggs murder where the facts and the BKWSU fabrication of them are entirely different?

BKs are so ashamed of their bodies and those of others. Is litttle wonder a tragic event like this was only waiting to happen?

This is true. I once went swimming at a BK beach party. Fabulous hot day and warm sea water. It was a total taboo and so "body-conscious". I had to sneak along the beach and into the water. You would have thought I had tried to strip off in the middle of a center. I remember one Sister being caught going sunbathing on Mount Abu. She got a big "ear pulling" accused of the terrible sin of "giving lust" to the Brothers. Of course, one has to wonder how they got to know about it but the BK world is full of sneaks and spies reporting back.

So, the BKWSU response? To infantilise their adherents even more. Do grown men now have to tell their Senior when they are going outside of the center, or never go out alone?

Six Lessons about water survival ...

The Seventh (and most metaphorical) Lesson being ... don't trust in a spook to bail you out if you get in deep water.

LESSON NO 5 - ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE WHERE YOU ARE GOING (EVEN IF IT JUST MEANS LEAVING A NOTE) AND ENLIST THE AID OF ANYONE ELSE WHO MAY BE AROUND WATCHING WHAT YOU ARE DOING

From time to time I swim in the Serpentine and I am always reluctant to get in unless there is at least one other person on the bank watching what is happening.

The Seventh (and most metaphorical) Lesson being ... don't trust in a spook to bail you out if you get in deep water.

Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions
by arjun » 11 Jul 2009

The Brother – What the Father has given is enough. But not that (I may think), “I am going by train. Let the train not meet an accident.”

Baba – Why to make negative thoughts? Think only positive.

The Brother: Some people say, “I was going by train and the train was about to have an accident and Baba saved me because I was in that train.” I don’t want to think, “Baba should protect me when I am on the journey.”

Baba – It is just said that way. In reality a knowledgeable soul (gyaani tu aatma) will understand that there are some good deeds (sukrut) of the previous births that the (people of the) whole train were injured and I was saved. It is also said that it happened according to the drama plan. The bhakta-souls (devotee souls) say, God did it.” And the Gyani soul (knowledgeable soul) understands the deep dynamics of karma.
Well, we can never know whats really going on behind the eyes of any particular peronality. I guess we reveal our true selves in the mirror of drama/reality. The application of understanding at least helps removes the endless. 'Why''? 'How'?
On a sinister note... News from the Subtle Regions says 'Courage' means to meet the Father, and follow directions of ONE. 'the Brother had the wish to complete the bhatti and to meet ShivBaba/Virendra Dev Dixit. 'Pond' means dirty water/the vices/influence of bad company. He attempted to escape his situation from the POND of Mt Abu,

The son knew swimming, but when he went ahead into the middle of the pond, his courage failed him

.. Drama is such that 'by hook or by crook' elevated desires are fulfilled, and so the soul then plays the part of establishment through purity via inspiration party. Should such a soul in a responsible position as the literature department at Mt Abu escape to Kampil, then many beans would be spilled... They let him drown. Suicide/despair.
Also. is there not a certain amount of negligence going on here? Any 'DANGER! NO SWIMMING'. NO LIFEGUARDS etc signs on display? Surely the administrators of the university campus have a certain amount of responsibility here. What if the bro had been a young foriegn child...? It is not enough that food was offered to some entity whose reply was basically 'You are stupid beyond belief'. The Relatives of the bro should not be palmed off by the Bhog message,

Baba was patting Sanjeevbhai's head gently and lovingly.

They should be sueing the BKWSU for negligence.
Anyway, even the Murlis say 'pay no attention to trance/visions'. So if we discard any reference to Bhog messages/Subtle Regions blah blah the hard facts rooted in reality remain. A surrendered Brother in a responsible position at the BKWSU headquarters, an organisation that prides itself on efficiency, discipline, and world class management skills is drowned through lack of :
1 Communication.
2.Organisation.
3.Management
4.Health and Safety.
5. Concern for the well being of its members.
Personally ,I am completely fuming over this episode. Why should my spiritual seeker/effort maker bro have his life cut short by lazy, ineffiecient, incompetant, uncaring, idiots?

Also, is there not a certain amount of negligence going on here? Any 'DANGER! NO SWIMMING'. NO LIFEGUARDS etc signs on display? Surely the administrators of the university campus have a certain amount of responsibility here.

Who owns the pond? I suspect it is the local government. But, come on, it is India not the USA ... With 1 Billion population, they probably just think, "Thank God we got rid of another one ... Karma".

I imagine the picture you are painting is correct. The son dies and so the family of called by the BKs to tell them so. Of course, the has been dead to them for a long while unless the parents are in the BKWSU. They keep them quiet by allowing them to sit on the stage at a Bhog offering/trance message session. If the family are BKs, do they feel the same.

And, sure, any Madhuban deserter is going to have a load of good stories to tell. Perhaps that is why they keep them on and "forgive" them.