Re: BKWSU expands because "core is pure"
Posted: 01 Nov 2012
Well said, Because and, yes Jann, what the public sees of the BKWSU is 99% marketing and not the real stuff.
The BKs are 99% about Destruction. They do everything they can to distract from that. Clearer, can I ask you honestly, are you a real BK, as in you've done all the courses, go to morning class each morning, do service etc ... or are you one of those fringe, demi-BKs living a dream of what the BKWSU is about?
Let us address this yet again. It seems to be the rumour the BK leadership has spread throughout the Yugya because many BKs come up with it.
I did not leave or quit the BKWSU because of any "personal hurt". I left because I got sick of their unenlightened self-advertising and VIP chasing, and because wanted to go and do things that really made a practical difference in this world. And at that time, I did not know just how much they had lied to us. How many suicides, broken families, and decades of lies and financial shenanigans would you call a "few imperfections"?
After I left, I continued to speak well of the BKs and consider them to be one of the best of religions and said or did nothing against them for 20 years. I even encouraged people to take the course. I was not even particularly bitter about all the years and life decisions I made under the stupidity of their false predictions of Destruction (which the Murlis then said were in the mid-1980s).
I did nothing until I started to hear about all the corruption ... at the very core of the BKWSU. Corruption, like you, I never even stop to question when I was a starry-eyed adherent.
Funnily enough, that "core corruption" was not the suicides of BKs I knew. Nor was it the covered up child sex abuse of children within the BKWSU that I again knew. No, it was when I heard the Kripalani Klan had finally sold out Gyan and others had turned "Seva" into corporate consulting for cash; or corporate consulting for cash into seva if you wish. What really disgusted me was when I heard that the pyramid which had built up over decades by ordinary individuals on the basis of love, kindness and charity ... was creamed off by the business class BKs with the permission of the Seniors.
I used "Vatican" as a shorthand for Catholic Church. If I want to see the account for either they are in the public. What are the BKs hiding? Actually, I think the BKs are an international theocratic (and undemocratic) state. A state within states.
So they have been saying since the 1930s ... when's your cut off point? 2036? The Murlis used to teach us "50 years for Destruction and 50 years for Creation" and that by now Heaven would be half built and deities would be being born. How is it all going to magic up in time for 2036?
No, I cannot. For me, in comparison to, say, the Tao Te Ching or TS Eliot's poetry ... the works of many Sufi ... the thoughts of many real feminists and intellectuals ... the lyrics of any number of contemporary songwriters ... even great comedians like Bill Maher, Ricky Gervais or George Carlin ... the Avyakt Murlis are flaccid and inane. There is almost nothing to them. I am so glad I start reading and listening again after shutting everything off in the BKWSU.
You might be able to pick out one or two deep sentences out of each of them and that is all ... if you were lucky. For me, the BKWSU seems to revert people back to the same mental stage the senior Sisters were in when Lekhraj Kirpalani was alive. Love letters for uneducated old ladies and young girls may be.
I tend to think of it a bit like drugs and the BKs like drug pushers ... only it is hypnotism and psychism that is bringing on the highs rather than chemicals.
Of course, the hypnotism *does* bring on chemical reactions in the brains that effects emotions but, unlike other critics, I accept there is some psychic element too. I just don't accept it is the "God" of all and silly stuff like Lekhraj Kirpalani is Adam. Sure, there is all sorts of weird and wonderful psychic experiences going on, just like drug users have their weird and wonderful experiences too.
Soft and psychedelic drug users often come out with they same kind of feelings and claims as BKs and both their pushers, the drug dealers and BKWSU leaders, like to deal in cash-cash.
The problem with depending on "miracle stories" is that for every "miracle" that happened, for example, for BK saved from accident, there is a BK who died a terrible death in accident; and for every BK who claims a vision or miracle, there are 10,000 non-BKs ... including atheists ... who also claim to have experienced a vision or miracle.
One has to be aware of the effect of the human tendency towards "confirmation biases", i.e. the tendency to favour information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses, or remember information selectively interpreting it in a biased manner.
clearernow wrote:... move on as I said ... get out of the Destruction loop.
The BKs are 99% about Destruction. They do everything they can to distract from that. Clearer, can I ask you honestly, are you a real BK, as in you've done all the courses, go to morning class each morning, do service etc ... or are you one of those fringe, demi-BKs living a dream of what the BKWSU is about?
There seem to be a lot of personal hurt that you have taken from them which I really feel for - sorry ... you are also exaggerating and continue to magnify few imperfections you saw many years ago at their end
Let us address this yet again. It seems to be the rumour the BK leadership has spread throughout the Yugya because many BKs come up with it.
I did not leave or quit the BKWSU because of any "personal hurt". I left because I got sick of their unenlightened self-advertising and VIP chasing, and because wanted to go and do things that really made a practical difference in this world. And at that time, I did not know just how much they had lied to us. How many suicides, broken families, and decades of lies and financial shenanigans would you call a "few imperfections"?
After I left, I continued to speak well of the BKs and consider them to be one of the best of religions and said or did nothing against them for 20 years. I even encouraged people to take the course. I was not even particularly bitter about all the years and life decisions I made under the stupidity of their false predictions of Destruction (which the Murlis then said were in the mid-1980s).
I did nothing until I started to hear about all the corruption ... at the very core of the BKWSU. Corruption, like you, I never even stop to question when I was a starry-eyed adherent.
Funnily enough, that "core corruption" was not the suicides of BKs I knew. Nor was it the covered up child sex abuse of children within the BKWSU that I again knew. No, it was when I heard the Kripalani Klan had finally sold out Gyan and others had turned "Seva" into corporate consulting for cash; or corporate consulting for cash into seva if you wish. What really disgusted me was when I heard that the pyramid which had built up over decades by ordinary individuals on the basis of love, kindness and charity ... was creamed off by the business class BKs with the permission of the Seniors.
clearernow wrote:I see no point in knowing their accounts. They are not a state like Vatican and it doesnt help me.
I used "Vatican" as a shorthand for Catholic Church. If I want to see the account for either they are in the public. What are the BKs hiding? Actually, I think the BKs are an international theocratic (and undemocratic) state. A state within states.
you will see a great deal happening in next few years.
So they have been saying since the 1930s ... when's your cut off point? 2036? The Murlis used to teach us "50 years for Destruction and 50 years for Creation" and that by now Heaven would be half built and deities would be being born. How is it all going to magic up in time for 2036?
If you cant appreciate the beauty of the Avyakt Murlis
No, I cannot. For me, in comparison to, say, the Tao Te Ching or TS Eliot's poetry ... the works of many Sufi ... the thoughts of many real feminists and intellectuals ... the lyrics of any number of contemporary songwriters ... even great comedians like Bill Maher, Ricky Gervais or George Carlin ... the Avyakt Murlis are flaccid and inane. There is almost nothing to them. I am so glad I start reading and listening again after shutting everything off in the BKWSU.
You might be able to pick out one or two deep sentences out of each of them and that is all ... if you were lucky. For me, the BKWSU seems to revert people back to the same mental stage the senior Sisters were in when Lekhraj Kirpalani was alive. Love letters for uneducated old ladies and young girls may be.
Not sure of your experiences but it works like magic - there are thousands of individual stories on the experiences of meditation, its super positive effects on mind, body and life ... and thats what I am going for now.
I tend to think of it a bit like drugs and the BKs like drug pushers ... only it is hypnotism and psychism that is bringing on the highs rather than chemicals.
Of course, the hypnotism *does* bring on chemical reactions in the brains that effects emotions but, unlike other critics, I accept there is some psychic element too. I just don't accept it is the "God" of all and silly stuff like Lekhraj Kirpalani is Adam. Sure, there is all sorts of weird and wonderful psychic experiences going on, just like drug users have their weird and wonderful experiences too.
Soft and psychedelic drug users often come out with they same kind of feelings and claims as BKs and both their pushers, the drug dealers and BKWSU leaders, like to deal in cash-cash.
The problem with depending on "miracle stories" is that for every "miracle" that happened, for example, for BK saved from accident, there is a BK who died a terrible death in accident; and for every BK who claims a vision or miracle, there are 10,000 non-BKs ... including atheists ... who also claim to have experienced a vision or miracle.
One has to be aware of the effect of the human tendency towards "confirmation biases", i.e. the tendency to favour information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses, or remember information selectively interpreting it in a biased manner.