saveyourlife wrote:WHAT WAS THAT ex-l ?
I think it was discussed on this forum. In the middle of a trance, Gulzar apparently started "channelling" herself confusing the translator complete. There was a video of it on Youtube.
Basically, they were saying that "Gulzar interrupted BapDada", she started talking about herself and then switched back to BapDada mode.
The BKs were never that clear about how their spiritualism/spiritism works. They don't know and no one seems to question enough to get answers. They just accept what they are told. The theory is, Gulzar's souls pops out of her body and goes into suspension in the Subtle Regions, then Lekhraj Kirpalani's soul enters her carrying Shiva's soul with him. Then Shiva speaks through Lekhraj Kirpalani's subtle body ... well, apparently Gulzar started to speak leading people to question was BapDada in Gulzar's body channeling Gulzar's soul?
Of course, our knowledge of the religion has changed somewhat. Ww discovered that there was no mention of Shiva in the religion between 1932 until sometime after 1950. We have no idea about how and when "Shiva" made himself apparent, or why they hushed up it all and re-wrote their history. We also discovered that there was another medium who channeled "Piyu" (The Beloved) who used to sit in seances and tell people what they were thinking, what they had done and speak Murlis.
Now, fair enough, perhaps that was the Shiva soul, perhaps it was a different soul, perhaps it is more than one soul, perhaps there is no god spirit being and it's all made up ... who knows and who can tell? We cannot. That is the nature of spiritualism/spiritism.
With spiritualism/spiritism you can never absolutely tell what is going on ...
there is no accountability, no proof ... all you can do is look at the manifestation and from the manifestation tell about the nature of the being, state of mind or whatever the magic is. We cannot even tell if there are another beings for sure, we cannot tell if there are more than one and we cannot tell if there are none.
All we can do is look at the manifestation and decide from there.
What are the morals and ethics ... what is its ambitions ... how accurate is it over a long period of time ... what is the ultimate purpose to their efforts ... etc?
Traditionally schools of Yoga would encourage seekers to study their proposed masters for a considerable time before surrendering to them. We've now examined Lekhraj Kirpalani and his god and their manifestation for sometime ... how do you find them?What the BKs seem to be doing most now ... in fact also did so so at the beginning ... is dangling the carrot of power and wealth and are attracting the surrender of hungry people to them on the basis.
What is the BKWSU really all about? What are its primary themes? It's driving factors?