BapDada fails to arrive for Foreigners' Seasons 2014?

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Re: BapDada fails to arrive for Foreigners' Seasons 2014?

Post17 Oct 2014

The BKs say, quoting the Bible, "as in the beginning, so at the end". In the beginning, there was no God Shiva, there was no personal god. Does that mean in the end they will return to that realisation and there were be no God Shiva popping down from Paramdham for his holidays?

There was 24 years of no God Shiva, does that mean 24 years of no God Shiva at the end? It's stupid even to speculate and speculations are all anyone can make ... they'll chop and change, and twist and turn, make new excuses, recycle old ones ... you'll never hold them down to a single fixed answer and reliable predictions.

The only things that's reliable about spiritualism, and BKism is based on spiritualism not spirituality, is that it is unreliable.

I am also remembering Joseph de Maistre's who wrote,
Joseph De Maistre wrote:"Every nation gets the government it deserves".

Unfortunately, India is besieged by so many of these cults exploiting the vulnerable individuals greed, superstition and lack of education what can it do? Is it on its way to a secular revolution akin to The Enlightenment in Europe? Possibly ...

Here's another saying I just extrapolated,
"Every nation gets the gurus it deserves"
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and that applies to every nation. So the West gets its gurus just as India gets its, and each of us is attracted to whoever, honest or tricksters, can teach us what we don't know. That is the theory ... but it's only a theory. Personally, I think life is a lot more random and complex than we realise, and not predetermined at all. We try to make it simple and orderly to suit our limited minds.

De Maistre also had another good one which applies to the BKs and went,
De Maistre wrote:False ideas (opinions) are like false money, struck first of all by guilty men and thereafter circulated by honest people who perpetuate the crime without knowing what they are doing.

So there was a little ripple amongst the BKs and now they are back to sleep ... BapDada came and can change his voice. Another miracle extending their credulousness meaning they can be conned even further the next time.

Next time he wont come but will have still come in some mysterious way ... just as in the beginning the spooks were alleged to have popped in and out of various Sister speaking first from here and then from there.

But we have to even reconsider that in light of the findings we have made first. If the BKs had no concept of a personal god spirit in the beginning, and not until after 1955 ... who did they believe was speaking through these Sisters, did they believe it was one spirit or deity, or many?

Or did it even happen at all, or is it just a historical revision stewed up by the creative fantasist Jagdish Chander ... recycled and embellished, as de Maistre describes, above?

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Re: BapDada fails to arrive for Foreigners' Seasons 2014?

Post17 Oct 2014

Baba's new complex could be used for a 'Detention Centre' for all corrupt BKs, Seniors, Didis & Dadis ect.

That's why it's so big ... holds thousands ... it would fill up in no time ..."Raja Yoga Detention Centre".
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Re: BapDada fails to arrive for Foreigners' Seasons 2014?

Post17 Oct 2014

Wow. That's a brilliant idea! One of the best I have ever read on this website! Genius!

A Quarantine Centre to stop the BK virus from spread through society.

At present the world has become conscious and afraid of Ebola spreading ... does not the outside world reflect the inside world according to the Brahma Kumaris?

Spiritual Ebolism ... with the Ebola virus disease, death typically occurs in 6 to 16 days from the start of symptoms. BKism only takes 7 days.

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Re: BapDada fails to arrive for Foreigners' Seasons 2014?

Post17 Oct 2014

BapDada came and can change his voice.

Actually, there could be more simple explanation for this to happen.

Speaking in that hissing way infact takes more energy and pressure on your vocal chords. Age has to show its reality and now at this age Gulzar may have suddenly found it difficult to continue that way. Now it could be that she is not acting but the body's chemistry at some point can overpower any hypnotic state of mind (from where she usually speaks on stage; possessed or a medium whatever is that) and it did not allow changing the sound.

If she gets healthier, may be the body will again allow the old state of mind to function.

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Re: BapDada fails to arrive for Foreigners' Seasons 2014?

Post18 Oct 2014

kmanaveen wrote:Actually, there could be more simple explanation for this to happen.

Yes, and yet the best explanation is that they are lying on our face.
Save Innocents wrote:Why no one from non-BKWSU community ever became a medium or channel to their bakwaas BapDada?

It is a valid point SI, someone could channel BapDada somewhere else on the next scheduled meeting and see what happens.

If they have the power to lie, let's see if truth has any power.

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Re: BapDada fails to arrive for Foreigners' Seasons 2014?

Post18 Oct 2014

If they have the power to lie, let's see if truth has any power.

Truth starts where BKWSU & its propaganda ends. BKWSU is another antonym of truth. We all have realized this. There is silence at BK centers but no peace. And when you come out of that mental hospital, there may be too much noise outside but it appears a lot practical & peaceful.

Moreover, truth would never come out to spoil the drama of BKWSU which is preparing for its own destruction. It is said that nature first gives many chances to rectify mistakes but when one does not act wisely, it allows him to go to worst possible extent so that even when he realizes his mistake, it would be too late & then there can be no upliftment.

That holds very much true for BKWSU.
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Re: BapDada fails to arrive for Foreigners' Seasons 2014?

Post18 Oct 2014

What has been the response from the PBKs/AIVV to BapDada's voice change, especially Ramesh Shah's excuse (... dentistry!).

I was reading an article recently about, 15 Common Psychological Defense Mechanisms by John M. Grohol, PSY.D.. It a good, simple enough article to act as a check list for anyone recovering from the BK cult. Number 7, "Reaction Formation" caught my eye ...
Reaction Formation

Reaction Formation is the converting of unwanted or dangerous thoughts, feelings or impulses into their opposites. For instance, a woman who is very angry with her boss and would like to quit her job may instead be overly kind and generous toward her boss and express a desire to keep working there forever. She is incapable of expressing the negative emotions of anger and unhappiness with her job, and instead becomes overly kind to publicly demonstrate her lack of anger and unhappiness.

This could apply to much BK interaction and also the reaction of BKs to revelations about their religion.
Reaction Formation in BKs

Reaction Formation is the converting of unwanted or dangerous thoughts, feelings or impulses into their opposites. For instance, a BK who is very angry for having been deceived with the leaders of the BKWSU, and who would like to quit, may instead be overly kind and generous toward them and express a desire to keep working there forever. They are incapable of expressing what is perceived as the negative emotions of anger and unhappiness with the cult like control, and instead becomes overly kind and submissive to publicly demonstrate their lack of unacceptable anger and unhappiness.

One psychologist looked at the BKs and suggested they express their anger not openly but by projecting elsewhere, e.g. in an all consuming worldwide Destruction. You could see how rather than be real ... and the predictions have clearly failed time and time again ... it was a distant and unrealistic projection of individuals' rage. This is on the check list too.

The next obvious one is "Projection" which I paraphrase, here ...
Projection

Projection is the misattribution of a BK's undesired thoughts, feelings or impulses onto another person who does not have those thoughts, feelings or impulses. Projection is used especially when the thoughts are considered unacceptable for the BK to express within the BKWSU community, or they feel completely ill at ease with having them. For example, a BK might accuse ex-BKs or being impure, ignorant, negative etc, when in fact it is the BKs who has such qualities but cannot accept them within themselves. Projection is often the result of a lack of insight and acknowledgement of one’s own motivations and feelings.

Dissociation and Compartmentalization are two other obvious ones (see link above).

The BKs are now saying, "everything has been said" ... could we also interpret that to mean, "we cannot say anything more in case it fails and we are caught out again (especially now with the internet and all the published materials existing), and we cannot say anything new or address all the anomalies ... like the 5,000 years Cycle, dinosaurs, world population, light in space etc ... because it might contradict what we've said in the past".

You can imagine them thinking ... "it's better just to shut up and say nothing and see how long we can carry on reaping in the money without being caught out". Just talk is well worn platitudes a parrot could learn ...
Platitude

A trite, meaningless, or prosaic statement, generally directed at quelling social, emotional, or cognitive unease.

Not interesting or effective because of being used too often : not fresh or original.

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Re: BapDada fails to arrive for Foreigners' Seasons 2014?

Post19 Oct 2014

ex-l wrote:One psychologist looked at the BKs and suggested they express their anger not openly but by projecting elsewhere, e.g. in an all consuming worldwide Destruction.

This is exactly what I felt about their predictions when I got to know about the protest against Om Mandli by commoners in past. The prediction of End of World seems to be like a revenge against society which did nothing to rehabilitate them during begging period. Often this has been a common reason behind outburst of every anti-social element who, at some point of time, received ill treatment by society for his mistakes.
Projection is used especially when the thoughts are considered unacceptable for the BK to express within the BKWSU community, or they feel completely ill at ease with having them.

And it can also be one of the reason why local BK center's Didis try to project themselves as superiors in terms of their fake meditation levels, it may be due to reason that not every Didi get a good treatment from BKWSU. Compare Shivani with other teachers at centers. Definitely, they are nowhere in front of her & would be considered comparatively less pure or Shudra (comparatively) or less brahministic within system. And thus they chose to cast their supremacy over followers visiting their centers. And i think even BK followers would believe that. If voting of purity & closeness to their Baba is done in each center, who would get most? Probably, either Didis or the rich followers or someone who is almost surrendered to cult.
The BKs are now saying, "everything has been said"

It may be due to their inability to pull their lies longer. And having amassed several international properties, they now hardly need that cycle Baba theory. Now what they can do is to start multiple business to feed the remianing fatsos or to be fatsos after 2036. And they will get a lot of donation for this new type of Yagya too.

" Everything has been said" & " don't ask more, drama will disclose in future to answer your queries" are contradictory. There are several things they have not yet discussed through Murlis or by mediums. I think you are right ex-l, it is just another attempt to shut up to save their faces from their worldwide followers who are bit aware though brainwashed.

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Re: BapDada fails to arrive for Foreigners' Seasons 2014?

Post06 Nov 2014

The original whispering voice was back in the latest incarnation yesterday!

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Post06 Nov 2014

... on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ...
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Re: BapDada fails to arrive for Foreigners' Seasons 2014?

Post07 Nov 2014

effectively they are criminal, taking your time and money for The Cycle that never happened, con men
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Post10 Apr 2015

BapDada's bhagats are waiting for a miracle today:
Breaking news-

Announcement by Dadi Ratan Mohini ji in today's morning class-

Gulzar dadiji is still in hospital at Mumbai and not in good conditions. She may not come to Shantivan as per programme. BapDada milan program will be observed as Yoga bhathi program (only miracle can be expected).

Plzzzz sbi bhot pawerful Yoga kro Dadi ji thik ho jaye ( via Fb)
Gulzarji in hospital.jpg

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Re: BapDada fails to arrive for Foreigners' Seasons 2014?

Post10 Apr 2015

The Chariot of "God" is under the supervision of dirty kalyuga Doctors?
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Re: BapDada fails to arrive for Foreigners' Seasons 2014?

Post10 Apr 2015

Presumably flown down from Abu to Mumbai and hospital by private airplane as usual?

Gulzar, as "the medium of God and Lekhraj Kirpalani" is the BKs' primary investment. When she dies, it'll rock the apple cart a little ... but I reckon the BKs have diversified sufficiently for it not to destroy their financial interests.

What is Plan B though?

It will, no doubt, be marketed as a "test". Some will leave. Slightly more distant "messages" will, no doubt, keep coming via other mediums. Will Jayanti be appointed in her role, or is another medium being prepared in the wings?
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