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A flyer about Brahma Baba by BKs with clarifications by PBKs

Post25 Jan 2016

A flier about Brahma Baba was sent out by Brahma Kumaris for the month of January as this month is considered special among basic Brahmins. Some of the things mentioned in the Flier does not tally with Murlis. So, we have these pdf files which clarify the statements in the flier with Murli proofs.

Flier from BKs -January.pdf
Official BK Flyer
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Gyanamrut 1-2-86 English.pdf
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Three main things mentioned in the Flier (page 2) regarding Brahma Baba doesn’t tally with Murlis
(God’s versions). Our humble request for you to go through the Murli points mentioned in this pdf.

Translation of the above which is printed in Brahma Kumaris Flier (page 2):

For the completion of this intention, Incorporeal Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva enters an experienced, generous and pure soul’s body. He calls him with the name “Prajapita Brahma”. His previous name was Dada Lekhraj, he was a famous businessman in jewels.

It is given here, that God entered experienced, generous, pure soul’s body who was also a jewel merchant. This doesn’t tally with God’s versions Murli which is the breath of the Brahmins in the Confluence Age.
“I come only in an ordinary person’s body. Neither too poor nor too rich.”

- Mu. 26-4-73 Pg-2

We cannot say Brahma was neither too poor nor too rich, because he was a jewel merchant. He was a rich man. This Murli point is not for Brahma Baba. Yes, definitely Brahma Baba surrendered everything in God’s task after his visions got clarified. There are Murli points which indicates, Brahma Baba didn’t understand the meaning of the visions he received.

Read further….
“Does ShivBaba have any ego? He is such a great authority. He says that I come in an ordinary body, in an ordinary house. I don't come in a rich person's house.”

- Mu 9-7-71 Pg-2

Brahma Baba left his body on Jan 18, 1969. He had 84 births but we cannot say it was complete 84 births. Murli point here says “not even a day lesser”. Part has to be played through a corporeal body. This is something to be understood.
“I enter the number one thorn and make him [into] the number one flower”.

- Murli 10/5/1968
“I certainly enter the one who has complete 84 births; not even a day lesser.”

- Mu. 15.10.69. P2.
“Body will be left when Father’s Chariot will be taken.”

- Murli 10/5/1968 page 2 at the end.

This is such an important point, where Baba is telling when it is the time to take the Chariot of the one who plays Father’s role, that time Shiva will leave the body of Brahma Baba. Here, Father is being referred to Prajapita Brahma, who was also there in the beginning of the Yagya through whom Shiva gave the clarifications of Brahma’s visions.

Shiva didn’t enter Brahma Baba in 1936 as Brahma Baba’s age at that time was around 50 years. See the file copied at the end of the document, it is from an article from Dadi Nirmal Shanta, lokik daughter of Dada Lekhraj published in Gyanamrit 01/02/1986
“बाप कहते है इनके ६० वर्ष की आयु में बहुत जन्मोंके अंत के अंत में, जब इनकी वानप्रस्थ अवस्था हुयी तब मैंने प्रवेश
ककया.”

– Murli 6/1/2002
“The Father says, when he was at the age of 60, at the end of the end of his many births, when it was his retirement age that was the time I entered [him].”

– Murli 6/11/2002
“Indeed Baba had visions of destruction and establishment. He had the accurate visions of the future, but at first he did not understand that he would become this Vishnu”.

– 06/06/1973, 03/07/1999
“Visions occurred, what is the attainment from it? Nothing at all. Visions of four armed Vishnu is received then disappears. Will you become Lakshmi Narayan from this? Visions of the aim is received”

– 27/09/1977
बाबा अनुभव अपना बतलाते है, शुरू में बनारस गए तो दीवारों पर गोले आदद ननकलते रहते थे | समझ में कुछ नहीं
आता था - यह क्या है. क्योंकक यह तो जैसे बेबी बन गये

– Murli 26, 07/1988

In the beginning of the page 2, Murli 26/07/1988 ...
“Baba narrates his experience; in the beginning when he went to Banaras, he used to draw circles etc on the walls. He didn’t understand anything; [he thought] ‘what is all this’. It is because this one simply became like a baby”.

Dada Lekhraj did not understand the meaning of the visions. The visions of Dada Lekhraj was clarified by someone else. It is not as written in Adidev Book, “....prakash swaroopam Shivoham Shivoham….”.

According to Murli, see what Baba says…
“अब कोई कह दे शशवोहम तो बाबा कहेंगे ककतना मूर्षपना है”

– Murli 15/6/1978
“If someone says Shivoham then Baba will say it is so dumb”

– Murli 15/6/1978

Who was the one who clarified Brahma Baba’s visions? Read further….

There are Murlis which clearly says, who is the Father of Brahma, how did Brahma come….?
ब्रह्मा का बाप ् कौन है ? कोई बतावें ! इस ददलवाला मदं दर के जो ट्रस्टी लोग है, वह भी यह जानत े कक आदद देव है
कौन ? उनका बाप कौन था ? आदद देव प्रजापपता ब्रह्मा है.

– Murli 4/11/1973
Who is Brahma’s Father? Can anybody say, the Trustees of this Dilwada temple also know who Adi Dev is? Who was his Father? Adi Dev Prajapita Brahma

– Murli 4/11/1973

If we answer the above question as, “Shiva is the Father of Brahma”, He is the Father of all the souls. What is the need for Shiva to ask a question like this, as who is Brahma’s Father?
ब्रह्मा को भी राय देनेवाला जरूर अच्छा होगा

- Murli 22/3/1973
“The one who gave advice to Brahma would definitely have been good.”

– Murli 22/3/1973
प्रजापपता ब्रह्मा कहते है परंतु बायोग्राफी कुछ नही जानते. ब्रह्मा कहााँ से आया, यह भी कुछ नही जानते. बाप ने समझाया , यह
महारथी है. बहुत जन्मों के अंत मे हमने आधार शलया है.

- Murli 6/1/1971
“Even though it is said Prajapita Brahma, nobody knows his biography. They don’t know where did Brahma come from either. The Father has explained, this one is a mahaarathi (great warrior). I have taken the support [of his body] at the end of [his] many births.”

– Murli 6/1/1971

Same Murli again, when reprinted and circulated ... all the above IMPORTANT sentences were removed and
some additions were made.
प्रजापपता ब्रह्मा कहते है परंतु बयोग्रफी कुछ नही जानते. बाप ने समझाया , यह हमारा रथ है. बहुत जन्मों के अंत मे हमने आधार
शलया है. Murli 9/1/1986
Even though it is said Prajapita Brahma, nobody knows his biography. The Father has
explained, this one is my Chariot. I have taken the support [of his body] at the end of [his]
many births.

– Murli 6/1/1971

Ask yourself, how can one remove God’s versions? Is Shrimat being followed? Can children add their sentences in Murli? Is this not Manmat? Why an attempt is being made to hide the Truth?
यह सब है प्रजापपता ब्रह्मा की संतान | जजसको कोई एडम, कोई आदद देव कहते है | मेल फ़ीमेल तो जरूर है | तुम्हारा है प्रवजृ तत माग ष | ननवजृ तत माग ष का र्ले होता नही | एक् हाथ से क्या होगा? दोनों पदहये चादहये |

- Murli 15/2/1984
“All these are the children of Prajapita Brahma. Some call him as Adam, some call him as
Adi Dev. Male and female are definitely there. Yours is the household path. It is not a path of renunciation. What will happen with one hand? Both wheels are needed.”

– Murli 15/2/1984
बाबा अपना बतलाते है | जवादहरात धंधा करते थे | बडे बाबा ने कहा, अब यह रुहानी अपवनाशी ज्ञान रतनों का धंधाकरना है |इससे तुम यह बनेंगे | चतुभुषज का साक्षातकार हुआ | अब पवश्व की बादशाही शमलती है | वह लेवें या यह धंधा
करें ? अपवनाशी ज्ञान रतनों का धंधा सबसे अच्छा

- Murli 15/5/1977
Baba speaks about him. I used to do the business of jewels. Big (Senior) Baba said: now you should do the business of spiritual imperishable gems of knowledge. With this you will become like this. He had the visions of four armed [Vishnu]. Now, you receive the emperorship of the world. Should I take it or do this business. The business of imperishable gems of knowledge is the best.

– Murli 15/5/1977

Baba didn’t understand the visions that he received. There was someone who clarified it for him.
“बाबा मे यह नालेज कहााँ से आयी? उनका तो कोई गुरू भी नही | पहले से ही उनमे पाटष बजाने की नूंद है ड्रामा अनुसार
| इसको कुदरत कहेंगे ना! हर एक् बात वन्डरफ़ुल है | तो बाप बैठ नई नई बाते समझाते है | ऐसे बाप को ककतना याद्
करना चादहये !”

- Murli 11/5/1989
“How this knowledge came in Baba? He didn’t have any Guru either. The part is fixed in him in advance according to the Drama. This will be called [the law] of nature, won’t it? Everything is wonderful. So Father sits and explains new things. You should remember such a Father a lot.”

– Murli 11/5/1989

Brahma Baba had so many Gurus. The above Murli point is being referred to whom?
For Prajapita Brahma, through whom Shiva plays the role of the Father and it was through
him that the clarifications of Brahma Baba’s visions were given.
“बाप ् कफर भी आ कर कलकतत े मे प्रवेश करेंगे | इस दादा को छु डावेंगे | कफर इन सबकी परवररश करावेंगे |”

- Murli
27/2/1976
“The Father will certainly enter [him] in Calcutta. He will free this Dada. Then He will take care
all these [children].”

– Murli 27/2/1976

Dada Lekhraj was from Sindh Hyderabad. Who was in Calcutta? It was his partner, who was also his brother-in-law in whom Shiva entered and gave clarifications to Brahma Baba. The soul who plays the part of Prajapita is a different soul. It is not Dada Lekhraj. But, in the Brahma Kumaris flier(page 2), it is given differently which doesn’t tally with Murlis.

Translation of the above:

Brahma Baba is the corporeal world’s first Creator, who is Adi Dev, first Brahmin and first Man, first creation of the new world, God’s first child and world’s Elder, Ancestor and Grand Father.

This doesn’t tally with God’s versions Murli.

Adidev means Adam. First and foremost thing is to look at the Murlis which clearly indicates Brahma and Prajapita are different. Brahma means, Brah means big and ‘ma’ means mother, that is Brahma is a big mother, meaning God played the part of Mother through Dada Lekhraj. And Prajapita is a different personality through whom God plays the part of Father.
पहले पहले एडम अर्थात आदि िेव, आदि िेवी | उनसे रचनथ रची है |

- Murli 4/10/1977
Adam meaning Adidev, Adidevi are the first. [Then] the creation has been created through them.

– Murli 4/10/1977
पुकथरते है, तुम मथत पपतथ | परंतु इसकथ अर्ा तो कोई भी नही समझते | ननरथकथर बथप के ललये समझ लेते है |

- Murli 5/2/1995
They call out, you are Mother and the Father. But nobody understands the meaning of this. They think it is for incorporeal Father.

- Murli 5/2/1995
तमु मथतथ पपतथ जो गथत े है, वो ब्रह्मथ सरस्वनत को नही कह सकत े | ब्रह्मथ र्ोड े ही वकै ंु ठ रचतथ है |

- Murli 14/10/1972
You cannot say the Mother and the Father for Brahma and Saraswati. Brahma is the not the one who creates Vaikunth (heaven).

- Murli 14/10/1972
त्वमेव मथतथ च पपतथ कहते है | तो फ़थिर के सथर् मिर भी चथदहये | मनुष्य समझते है, एडम ब्रह्मथ, ईव सरस्वनत | वथस्तवमे यह रथंग है | ननरथकथर गथड् फ़थिर है तो मिर भी जरूर होगी | परंतु वह लोग एक् जगिम्बथ को कह िेते है | - Murli –
17/5/1978
It is said you are the Mother and the Father. So, the Mother is also needed along with the Father. People think Brahma is Adam, Saraswati is Eve. Actually it is wrong. If there is Incorporeal God Father, certainly the Mother is also there. But those people say it for one Jagadamba.

- Murli 17/5/1978
तुम कह सकते हो , कक वथस्तव मे तमु भी ब्रह्मथ कु मथर ् कु मथरी हो. प्रजथपपतथ ब्रह्मथ को तो जथनत े हो. वह रचयता है, मनुष्य स्रुष्ष्ि कथ. ननरथकथर परमपपतथ परमथत्मथ कोई आत्मथओं को रचते नही है. वह तो आत्मथओं कथ अनथदि बथप है.

– Murli 19/7/1973
You can say, actually you are also a Brahmakumar Kumari. You know Prajapita Brahma. That one is the Creator of human world. The Incorporeal Supreme Father Supreme Soul does not create souls. In fact, He is the Eternal Father of the souls.

- Murli 19/7/1973

Here the Hindi word “vah” meaning that one, indicates Shiva through Brahma is indicating for someone else, not for Brahma. If Shiva was indicating Brahma Baba then, he would have said “yah”, that is this one.
ब्रह्मथ कुमथररयों के आगे प्रजथपपतथ अक्षर जरूर ललखनथ है| प्रजथपपतथ कहने से बथप लसध्ि हो जथतथ है | हम प्रश्न ही पूछते
है कक प्रजथपपतथ से क्यथ संबंध है ! क्योंकक ब्रह्मथ नथम तो बहुतों के है| कोई फ़ेमेल कथ भी ब्रह्मथ नथम है| प्रजथपपतथ नथम
ककसको होतथ नही | इसललये प्रजथपपतथ अक्षर बहुत जरूरी है| प्रजथपपतथ आदि िेव कहते है| परंतु आदि िेव कथ अर्ा नही
समझते | प्रजथपपतथ तो जरूर यहथाँ होगथ|

- Murli - 7/9/1977
The word ‘Prajapita’ should definitely be written before [the word] ‘Brahmakumaris’. Saying Prajapita proves [the presence of] the Father. We do ask the question: what is the relationship with Prajapita? Because many have the name Brahma. Some females also have the name Brahma. No one has the name ‘Prajapita’. So, the word ‘Prajapita’ is very important. Prajapita is called Adidev but they don’t understand the meaning of Adidev. Prajapita will certainly be present here.

- Murli 7/9/1977

In this Murli point, it is very clear that Prajapita is Adi Dev but Brahma Baba is not Adi Dev from the previous
Murli. Also in the Murli below.
वास्तव मे प्रजापपता ब्रह्मा इस नई स्रुजटट के झाड जजसको कल्प व्रुक्ष कहा जाता है, उनका थुर फ़ौन्डेर्न है | गोया शशवबाबा तो
“मनटु य मात्र का बाबा पपता है और ् ब्रह्मा द्वारा पहले ब्राहमण कु ल की रचना होती है |”

- Murli 2/10/1977
“Actually Prajapita is the main foundation of this tree of the new world, ... called as the Kalpa Vrush. It means ShivBaba is Baba, the Father of all human beings, and the first Brahmin is created through Brahma.”

- Murli 2/10/1977

“आदददेव कफर वह ब्रह्मा हो जाता है | आदद अथाषत शुरुवात का | “- Murli 7/9/1977
“Then that Brahma becomes Adidev. Adi means of the beginning. “Murli 7/9/1977
Very clearly it is said here, “that” Brahma…..if it was Dada Lekhraj, he was right there. Shiva should have said,
“this” Brahma.
"प्रजथपपतथ ब्रह्मथ भी तो अनथदि है | आत्मथओं कथ बथप इनमे आये है| आकर ब्रह्मथ को अडथप्ि करनथ पडतथ है, प्रजथ रचने के
ललये| ब्रह्मथ द्वथरथ ब्रथहमण रचतथ है| यह तो समझने मे और ही सहज होगथ|” - Murli – 19/7/1973
“Prajapita Brahma is also eternal. The Father of the souls has come in him. After coming, he
has to adopt Brahma to create subjects. He creates Brahmins through Brahma. This will be
much easier to understand”. Murli 19/7/1973
“किएटर ब्रह्मा को नहीं कहा जाता”- Murli 13/2/1975 page 2 middle
“Brahma is not called the Creator” – Murli 13/2/1975
“प्रजापपता ब्रह्मा को भी किएटर कहते है” - Murli 26/6/1977 page 2, beginning
“Prajapita Brahma is also called the Creator” – Murli 26/6/1977
“प्रजापपता ब्रह्मा को भी पपता कहते है. तो माता कौन. यह ब्रह्मा माता बन जाती है.” – Murli 19/12/2001
“Prajapita Brahma is also called the Father. Then who is the mother. This Brahma becomes
the mother.” Murli 19/12/2001
Gita Chapter 11 - Viswaroopa Sandharshana Yoga, Verse 38
twamadidevah purushah puranah twamasya vishwasya paramam nidhanam
In the scriptures, this sloka is in praise of Shankar. In The Knowledge, one can understand the one who is Prajapita is the
one through whom Shiva plays the part of Shankar. In devotion, Shiva’s name is added with Shankar, because the one
through whom Shiva is revealed will be the one who is the original Prajapita Brahma, not Brahma Baba. Shiva’s name is
not combined with Brahma’s or Vishnu’s name.
“Through Prajapita Brahma, ShivBaba gives inheritance to the Brahmakumar-kumaris.
Through Brahma ShivBaba creates the clan of Brahmins.” Murli 1/3/1976 page 3 middle
It is very clear stated in this Murli, Prajapita Brahma’s task and Brahma Baba’s task are different. But
both are needed.
One has to understand, we are not discounting the part of Brahma Baba here. NO, absolutely not.
We are making an effort to show you that Murlis are indicating Brahma Baba is our corporeal Mother
through whom love is experienced by all the Brahmins but inheritance cannot be received. Prajapita
Brahma is our corporeal Father through whom inheritance will be received. The Chariot through
whom Shiva will be revealed, will be the Father of Humanity, Prajapita Brahma whose body will be
there until all the souls 7 billion are present in this world.
There are two souls, Krishna’s soul and Ram’s soul. In their last birth, Krishna’s soul plays the part of
being Brahma (Brahm means Big, ma means Mother – Big Mother, that is Jagadamba). Brahma is not
worshipped, temples aren’t built for him and his idols aren’t made either. Why? Because the task of
the Supreme Soul wasn’t completed when Brahma Baba left the body. But the same soul plays the
role of Jagadamba later and receives a lot of worship and praise. The same soul, also plays the part
of Dharmaraj. As said in the Murli, my right hand is Dharmaraj. In Trimurti, God will be revealed
through Shankar. All this and much more can be understood through Advanced Knowledge which
God Shiva is giving through His corporeal Chariot, Prajapita Brahma.
Children who don’t understand are separating mother and Father, but this will not happen. They both
will come together and finish the task.
“यह है डीटी धमष की पहली माता, जजसको जगदम्बा कहते है.” – Murli Dec 31, 2015
“This is the first mother of the Deity religion, who is called Jagadamba”. Murli 31/12/2015
Just like, Krishna’s soul in his last birth plays the role of Brahma, Ram’s soul plays the role of
Shankar.
Ram’s soul plays the part of Prajapita Brahma. Prajapita is the Father of humanity. Through
this Chariot, Shiva will be revealed as this soul becomes equal to Shiva without leaving the
body. That’s why Shiva’s name is combined with Shankar. He is worshipped a lot in this form.
There are many other references in the Murlis, where clear indications of two souls are given.
Even though Shiva came and gave The Knowledge through Brahma Baba, how come
Brahma is not worshipped in the path of devotion, temples and idols aren’t made for him.
Why? Did you ever think? Baba has clearly mentioned in the Murlis that, everything of the
Confluence Age is the memorial in the path of devotion. Through Brahma Baba, mother’s
role was played but God wasn’t revealed in the whole world and it is through Prajapita
Brahma in the form of Shankar, Vishwanath, or Shiv Shankar, that God will be revealed in
front of the whole world.
“Kumarka, tell [Me], how many children does ShivBaba have? Some say 500 crore (5 Billion);
some say that Brahma is the only child. Isn’t Shankar [My] child? Then whose child is he?
There is margin for this too. I say, ShivBaba has two children, because Brahma becomes
Vishnu. The one who is left is Shankar. So there are two, aren’t there? Why do you leave out
Shankar? Although it is said: ‘the Trimurti’ but their occupations are different, aren’t they?”
Murli 14/5/1972
Murli 15/5/1977, same Murli reprinted nothing was altered.
Same Murli again, when reprinted and circulated….all the above IMPORTANT sentences in RED were
removed.
"कुमारका बतावो, शशवबाबा को ककतने बच्चे है? कोई कहते पांचसो करोड़, कोई कहते एक बच्चा ब्रह्मा है. भल त्रत्रमूनत षकहत े
है, ऑक्यूपेशन तो अलग है ना " Murli 12/5/1987
“Kumarka, tell me, how many children does have? Some say 500 crore (5 Billion); some say
that Brahma is the only child. Although it is said: ‘the Trimurti’ but their occupations are
different, aren’t they?” Murli 12/5/1987
Is Shrimat being followed by taking out Murli points?
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Translation of the above:
Ever since then, through his Avyakt form he (Brahma Baba) has been guiding the children of
Brahma through his divine inspirations.
It is said, directions are still given even though Brahma Baba has left the body.
Can the study of Rajyog take place through inspiration?
Baba says in the end of pg.1 of the Murli dated 20.08.78:  “I am the Ocean of Knowledge; but
how can I, the incorporeal One, teach through inspiration while I am sitting above? Teaching
never takes place in this way. Would a professor sitting at home be able to teach the
students through inspiration? He will definitely have to come to the school, won’t he?”
In the end of pg.3 of the Murli dated 08.08.76:  “If Yoga and knowledge were to be taught
through inspiration, then the Father says, ‘Why would I have come to this dirty world?’
Inspiration, blessings, all these are the words of the path of Bhakti (devotion).’’
At the beginning of pg.3 in the Murli dated 16.03.75:  “Now (in the Confluence Age) I am
face to face. I too become a trustee and then I make you trustees. Whatever you do, do it
after asking. I am alive, am I not? Baba will continue giving advice for everything.”
Brahmakumar -kumaris believe that Shiva comes in subtle Brahma Baba, and they both
together come in Dadi Gulzar.
This doesn’t tally with God’s versions Murli.
“The Father Himself explains. The one whom He has entered also listens.” – Murli 07/02/1968,
page 1 beginning.
“ShivBaba could come in the body of a pure maiden, but it is against the rule. How can the
Father ride on a maiden?” - Murli 15.10.69. P2.
‘Shiv’Baba won’t sit and explain in big gatherings. – Murli 4/9/1973 page 2 middle
“I don’t enter deity Brahma who is the resident of Subtle Region.” – Murli 4/22/1972, page 1
middle
“It isn’t that you invoke Baba. No. You cannot invoke Baba at all. Baba has to come on His
own” – Murli 12/04/1976 page 1, beginning
But, milan dates are announced way ahead of time and on the day of milan all the children
are invoke ShivBaba.
‘No one comes to know when I come because I am incognito. You children are incognito as
well.’…No one comes to know when He entered, when He came in the Chariot. – Murli
26/01/1968, page 1 beginning. (But we come to know the entrance in Dadi Gulzar.)
Why? It is ONLY Brahma Baba who enters, that’s the reason why it is known to everyone. Dadi Gulzar
isn’t aware about what is spoken through her body. So, she has to read the Vani later. Avyakt Vani is
very powerful but it is based on Dhaarnaa (virtues), why? It is because the soul of Brahma Baba who
will become the first prince in the Golden Age gives the teaching of divine qualities through Dadi
Gulzar.
Whenever the Father comes, does anyone come to know about it? No. One cannot even
know. Murli 15.3.73. P4.
Avyakt Vani 23- 01- 1969
“Very sweet Baba has sent me to have spiritual chit chat, to meet you all children”

– Avyakt Vani 23/01/1969

This was just 5 days after Brahma Baba left the body. It clearly indicates, only Brahma came
not Shiva in Dadi Gulzar.
ईश्वर तो है ननराकार. उनके साथ लव तो साकार में चादहए ना . ननराकार को कैसे लव करेंगे? – Murli 1/1/1972
“God is certainly incorporeal. Love with him should be in corporeal, shouldn’t it? How will you
love the Incorporeal One?” – Murli 1/1/1972, page 1 beginning

Shiva needs a corporeal Chariot to be here and the Murlis have given indications about the
future part of the Father. Since Baba already knew children will alter Murlis. Baba said:
मुरली शलर्ना बहुत अच्छी सवीस है, सभी र्ुश होंगे, अशीवाषद करेंगे | बाबा अक्षर बहुत अच्छे है | नही तो शलर्ते है, अक्षर अच्छे नही | बाबा, हमको वाणी कट करके भेज देते है | हमारे रतनों की चोरी हो जाती है | बाबा, हम अधधकारी है जो आपके मुर् से रतन ननकलते है वह सब हमारे पास आने चादहये | यह कहेंगे भी वही, जो अनन्य होंगे | मुरली की सेवा बहुत अच्छी रीनत करनी चादहये | Murli 29/03/2002
“Writing Murli is a very good service, everyone will be happy, they will give blessings. The word Baba is very good. Otherwise they will write the word isn’t good. Baba, they send us the broken pieces of jewel. Our jewels have stolen away. Baba, we have the right: every jewel that comes out of the mouth [of the Father] should reach us. Only the ones who are unique will say this. You should do the service of Murlis very well.”

- Murli 29/03/2002
“जब फादर है तो जरूर फादर शमलना चादहए. फादर शसफष कहे और कब शमले नहीं तो फादर कैसे हो सकता है? सारी दुननयाकी जो भी आतमाए है सभी से शमलते है. सभी बच्चों की जो मुराद है, आश है, पूणष करते है.”

- Murli 14/6/1989 page 1 at the end.
“Since He is the Father, He should definitely meet [the children]. How can He be the Father if he is just called the Father but never meets [the children]? He meets all the souls of the world. He fulfills the wishes and desires of all the children.”

- Murli 14/6/1989 page 1 at the end.
“The Advance Group, especially the gathering of the special famous souls in it, is very strong. The wonderful part of preparing the Earth [like intellect] is being played through these souls at a fast pace to bring about the elevated birth, the first birth (to bring about the divine birth in the form of revelation of Krishna in the capital Delhi.”

- Avyakt Vani of 18.01.80, end of page 222)
मुरली से प्यार माना मुरलीधर से प्यार |

 “Love for the Murli means love for the Murlidhar (the narrator of the Murlis)”

- AV 18.01.07, middle of pg.5

Please visit http://www.PBKs.info for more information.

Don’t miss this chance to RECOGNIZE your Beloved Father in the corporeal form. If not NOW, then it will be TOO LATE.

Our Father Shiva has not gone back, He will definitely keep up His promise of taking us back with Him.
 “The Father’s promise to the Brahmin children, ‘we will go together, we will die together, and we will live together, meaning we will complete the part. [...] Can He break it in between? Can the foundation that is made the instrument in the task of establishment be removed in between?”

- AV 30.06.74, pg.84-85

It is Shankar who is shown with Rudraksha mala. Shiva will create Rudra mala through Shankar, who will be known as Vishwanath, the Lord of the World.
Gyanamrut 1-2-86

Prajapita Brahmakumari Ishwariya Vishwa-Vidhyalay (1936 - 86)

Brahma Kumari Ishwariya Vishwa- Vidhyalaya is celebrating 1986 – 87 as “Golden Anniversary Year.” On this auspicious occasion it will be appropriate to survey and take account of the attainments and courageous acts of the organization. Together it is important to reflect and think about the hurdles organization has overcome successfully over the journey of 50 years while constantly moving forward. This is such an occasion for this organization to arrange many programs for the spiritual progress of each and every individual human being and to expediate the task of establishing constant peace and happiness in the world and continue its efforts with zeal and enthusiasm to reestablish the values of purity, peace, love, justice etc. in the future.

Six stages for success

In past 50 years the great success attained by organization can be divided into six stages.

First phase - One family (Household)

Spiritual gathering (1936 – 37)

The inception of this organization began from a small gathering at Dada Lekhraj’s home. Dada was a well-known diamond merchant. Because of his honesty and noble character he had freedom to visit many king’s palaces. Specially, he had a close relationships with the kings in Nepal and Udaipur. He was a keen devotee of Narayan.

He was generous hearted and a great donor from his childhood. As he grew older, his interest in Shrimat Bhagvad Gita and other spiritual texts also grew. He would lead his day to day life with spiritual teachings and would consume satvik food. He would pay great attention towards his spiritual growth. Having these disciplines in his life, he started becoming introvert and would introspect.

At last that time came, when he realized the Truth. In 1936, he was around 50 years of age when he had many divine visions. In that, he saw that by the end of next 100 years, Golden Age will be established and prior to that there will be a great destruction of this tamopradhan Iron Aged world. With this the present condition of the society will be finished which is presently hollow and corrupt, its roots are infected with termites and it is impossible for these rotten roots to survive. Dada also saw the divine light of God and internally he heard that, the vision of that divine light itself is the Ocean of Bliss, “Point of light, Supreme Father Shiva”. He had other divine visions too. Actually, this was an overarching incident which turned his life. There was a great spiritual transformation in Dada’s life with these and this had an impact on his relatives and contacts. Because they would see clearly sheen in his face, glow in his eyes and aura of purity on his forehead.

Give a little thought. If you really love Murlis, then you MUST act NOW. It is through Murlis (tons of Murli points), one can recognize the Sakar part of the Father. Good wishes for whatever you DECIDE!

As your soul Brother, it is my duty to bring this into your attention. Om Shanti!
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Wrong forum, thank you.

Please, if anyone is going dump a 'party political broadcast' on behalf of the PBKs or anyone else, or have a dump on this forum in general, please make an effort to lay it out nicely. I just cannot be bothered fixing it any more.

There's is a quote attributed to Ralph Waldo Emerson ...
Build a better mousetrap, and the world will beat a path to your door

I am not at all convinced that PBKism is a better mousetrap than BKism at all.

All it seems to be is the same mousetrap ... but with a stronger spring. All the same hangups ... PLUS ... you get bannished from all the nice luxury meditations retreats, and beaten up by the BKs in India.

Why would anyone put themselves through that? And all the BK stuff is just the usual false and erroneous garbage they repeat time and time again ... why copy it?

Virendra Dev Dixit and the PBKs have been maildumping this stuff on BKs since the 1970s. It even reach Western BK centres around in the early 1980s ... they have even had their own failed predictions, controversies and ambiguities, has it really helped anyone?
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Many people, especially those committed to ideologies, think that what's preventing their ultimate triumph is some ”conspiracy” by others or some malevolent force when in fact the reality is it’s usually incompetence, error, stupidity, cupidity - or a combination of these.
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Or perhaps ...

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The one question I like to ask both BKs and PBKs is when will you give up?

People been going round and round and round this same hamster wheel since the 1930s. WWII, 1950, 1976, 1986, 1986 to 1996, Year 2000 ... Even the BKs are becoming shakey about 2036, as the deadlines for their Krishna being born has passed (see Dadi Janki's message recently), and revising the message to say, "the longer we spend in Confluence Age the better".

How long are you going to hold out gambling on this jackpot? Where are the PBKs at right now ... 2018? (The usual "two to three years").

Are you going to hang on until 2036 before you realise there are no free bananas in the box? And then what?

[I think the BK inner circle is playing "pass the parcel" with all the property now and hoping that everyone is going to die off or forget so they can start selling off all the real estate and live off that for another 50 years ... as long as they are fed, watered and sheltered until they die].
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Pink Panther wrote:Many people, especially those committed to ideologies, think that what's preventing their ultimate triumph is some ”conspiracy” by others or some malevolent force when in fact the reality is it’s usually incompetence, error, stupidity, cupidity - or a combination of these.

Pink Panther: Are you relating your own experience here? Were you yourself thwarted from realizing your own 'ultimate triumph' by malevolent forces beyond your control? If indeed you ever had any such notions. Or was it a combination of your own stupidity and incompetence etc, that prevented you from achieving your 'ultimate triumph' Or do you blame your own failures on the shortcomings of others?

Do you have any ideological aspirations? Or are you free from any belief system, if so, how?

My reply to your post is garnered thus because I detect an overriding sense of supercilious derision in your tone. Basically in one sentence you reveal yourself as a smug git.

At least Mr Green says it with poetry; as for ex-l, well he does moan a bit (and for good reason). But he is polite and respectful.
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Yep, you have me completely sussed. Incredibly insightful from just a few lines on a post. Well done.

I was indeed an idealogue, stupid, incompetent, supercilious. Then I left the BKs.

Now I am just stupid, incompetent and super silly.

You like poetry, huh?
    There once was Panther what's Pink
    Whose ideas to others did stink
    One judged Pink to be a
    Smug git of a flea
    Must have bitten some nerve end, methinks.
Anyway, back to topic - when someone makes a claim that is disprovable by eventualities, then others who criticise them and splinter off make other claims also disproved by eventualities, are they both wrong or both right?
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ex-l wrote:Wrong forum, thank you.''

''The BKWSU for discussing revisions in the history of the Brahma Kumaris and updating information about the organisation''

My post was specifically related to revisions in the BK history as evidenced in the BK flyer.

You yourself have constantly bemoaned the fact that no complete translations exist of the Murlis in their original form, so that comparisons could be made with the present day Murlis as presented by the BK administration. The above Murli proofs have been meticulously researched and compared against the flyer. To go into such depth and present anomalies in such a way that creates a discernment as to the way the entire history and understanding of the BK world has been corrupted and misrepresented requires significant effort, resources and dedication.

The Murli proofs are not my own research, although I have collected and studied hundreds of such points in the past. I was simply asked to post the documents.
Please, if anyone is going dump a 'party political broadcast' on behalf of the PBKs or anyone else, or have a dump on this forum in general, please make an effort to lay it out nicely. I just cannot be bothered fixing it any more

Apologies for dumping what you construe to be a steaming pile of S**t on this forum but I beg to differ. I haven't posted much on line for a long time as my interests have been in other areas. So, sorry for the untidy posting.
All it seems to be is the same mousetrap ... but with a stronger spring.

I appreciate the range of analogies used in your posts. What you say is true but not in the way you mean it. Let's just say for now that the battle against Maya is intensified 100-1000* in the Advanced Knowledge. The rewards are also intensified. As for luxury accommodation and retreats you have to understand I myself am just a simple labourer and know nothing of such things. I am a beach bum, a busker, and a barbarian, quite happy in my three square feet of land.

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    There once was Panther what's Pink
    Whose ideas to others did stink
    One judged Pink to be a
    Smug git of a flea
    Must have bitten some nerve end, methinks.


The cat what thought itself Pink
Did never know how to think
Cat napped onna mat
Got stuck inna flap
and now claws onna couch of a shrink

Anyway, back to topic - when someone makes a claim that is disprovable by eventualities, then others who criticise them and splinter off make other claims also disproved by eventualities, are they both wrong or both right?

Eventualities are still pending. Your claim is dismissed.
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Why the guru of PBK is using Murlis of 71, 73, etc... when he says the Murlis are cut and edited by BKs?
Ans why is he saying Om Shanti, I am a peaceful soul and instigating you to go and fight with the BKs?

What a load of rubbish.
Brainwashing recruits around the house be aware!
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In all fairness, the original post was just a copy and paste dump rather than "discussion", and it was badly laid out. Unless you make an effort to engage and do so, dumps just makes whatever content is in them unreadable.

It would have been enough to link to the original documents and better to just pull out the most salient point. As someone who writes long posts, I can tell you mostly people just don't read them ... imagine I met you and talked at you for 30 minutes non-stop. How would you respond?
button slammer wrote:The above Murli proofs have been meticulously researched and compared against the flyer.

The big problem is what constitutes "proofs" within PBKism, and to a less degree Indian BKism ... although, let's face it, the BKs have pretty much given up any pretence and are just doing whatever they feel like making up by now.

The word "proofs" have come to mean something entirely different, nothing to do with actual proof.

A Murli to quote as proof of a Murli quote is a kind of meaningless circular reasoning ... the big question is, when are you going to give up on gambling? Are you sure you are not just like those victims conned by Nigerian "advance free" 419 fraudsters ... who cannot admit to themselves that they are being conned and so continue to invest even more in to get something back out?

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This is much better proof:

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”Proof” is based on something done, something demonstrated. (Latin - provare, probare see ”probe")

Something ”waterproofed” must actually be able to resist water.

A printer's proof is an actual physical demonstration of what a file, image or artwork will look like when the actual printing occurs.

Proof-reading is to catch errors & omissions that can only be found by actually reading every single character as intended, not by mere glancing or skimming.

A logical proof is not actual proof, e.g. like the Bible quote in the graphic above. Logic is only what the words or numbers suggest, merely a consistent use of words where the sequence of words make sense, or have syntactical meaning. Any maths or accounting shows how that can ‘work' - seem logical - but can still be wrong if factors are left out or wrong ones put in.

Then there’s false conclusions based on miscomprehension of what appears evident, e.g. the horizon is as far as anyone can see. It is flat. Therefore the horizon is the edge of of the world - is a logical proof or logical conclusion that does not stand up to demonstrable (actual) proof or probing, i.e. one must question one’s perspective. Is this the only angle from which to view this? What happens when one goes up in a hot air balloon or sails toward the horizon?

A logical proof can be formulated as a theory but it then needs to be demonstrated, actualised, to get to the next step, beyond theory, i.e. a ‘proof’ that’s been shown under certain criteria. In this situation under these conditions, x happens.

But even then, wrong conclusions can be drawn by faulty logic, e.g. demonstrable proof - drop a billiard ball and a feather, the feather wafts and hits the ground later than the ball.

Logical conclusion - a feather falls slower than a billiard ball so gravity must affect a feather differently to the ball.

Demands a further question - any other factors involved?

Someone postulates that air creates resistance based on the characteristics of the feather and that in a vacuum the feather will fall as fast as the ball. Logical assumption, but it’s only a theory until it’s demonstrated.

Actual Proof needed - create a vacuum and drop both items simultaneously (they fall together - gravity affects both exactly the same way).

Four step proof of God
    1. Logical - I am God therefore believe what I tells you
    2. Demonstrable proof - you feel good when you practice my suggested teachings and hang out in my crowd
    3. Conclusion - See, I am god.
    4. Stop thinking about other steps, see step 1.
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Please don't be long, please don't you be very long.

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