03 Sep 2007
Dear br. John,
Why should he have got it wrong? Did you get it right? What is your point of knowing right and wrong? Do you know what Baba has meant? Where from? Baba (via Virendra Dev Dixit) makes just this he says what Baba means here and there. We can judge that we did not know such fine explanation ourselves and this is the most fine explanation to such an extent that it can come form only Baba himself.
Now you seem to not believe in the Murli at all. Can you give an example where something from the Murli has been change to mean the opposite in the Advanced Knowledge? Refining is OK. It is like when you write on stone at first you just make holes, no writing is visible then with refining words become clear. So the refining, clarifying is that information of the Murli comes understandable (readable) for us. There is no change in it.
Dear br. ex-l
If you look every human being lives and then dies. No history or document says where did the soul come from and where did it go, whether there is such thing as soul and what it is like. However, every person is interested in these matters and it is possible that for such matters there can be as clear and precise information as any other matter as, e.g. that Australia is xyz sq. km in size. But who can know or tell or verify this information? It is called spiritual knowledge because it concerns these spiritual "facts" because they are not provable and subtle. Does it mean that they cannot be real?
I think we will only confuse ourself when we compare this knowledge and worldly knowledge because they are from different areas. I am also not sure if this word Gyan is used for the wordly knowledge also. Gyan as described in the dictinary can also mean perception, understanding - the way we read things. It is not to oppose the wordly knowledge, but to read some new, valuable meaning and information, some other reality in it (in these same old knowledge).
Symbolism is also used in psychology, certain object are associated with the male certain with the female etc. For example, the mountain looking at it in a normal way it is granite, stone but it is also a symbol; it could be male or female.
This is the difference that we change ourself, our perception. We don't create heaven with bricks and stones. He has not come to narrate information that will make us turn ourselves around completely. How many times it is said that it is very easy, he does not give any difficulty, we live the same life, but if we willingly submit and expose ourself to this programming then there is some change in our internal self. As if he makes some trick with our mind, steals it and we are not the same anymore.
So in this light there cannot be right or wrong, because to this information there is not alternative. There is nothing of the same to compare. Yes we humans know right and wrong, animals don't know right and wrong. If you put a dog to register the historical events (some magic dog with memory) he will recite the facts and that's it. There cannot be any thinking about them. But there can be only one reality of right and wrong, that concerns humanity, only one right perception or Gyan, nomatter there can be different practices and traditions. Now these are to merge in this one perception, or filter or glases we put, so that we can see the world in the same way, to unify our knowledge (perception, understanding) so that there can be peace. Peace of mind first. We will receive it when we have clear knowledge, otherwise it jumps questioning, e.g. who am i what am i what is my history, my past and my future can there be more than one answer to this. We forget that we are in fact interested in this and there is happiness when we are engaged with ourselves, knowing ourselves.
This is also knowledge to make the soul, the mind and intellect think and debate and the forum is a proof. What debate can it be to historical facts, you know even God stays silent in front of facts, Mind does not move, does not go up, does not reach anywhere, there is no stimulation. But because these spiritual facts are such that cannot be pinned at once, there can be debate, because they enter another territory of belief, of perceptions of attitude of right and wrong.
In fact, there is no right or wrong, call it the drama, there is right and wrong in its interpretation. Now there is debate, not because there is disagreement on the facts, but to their interpretation, to the way we look at it. For example we all live on one and the same planet, then why some develop racism and cannot tolerate the other and why others can tolerate. Objectively the circumstances are equal.
Why not create a universal familly, The Knowledge is for this. It is not to show our ability to think, to demonstarte our intellect, the ability to discriminate right from whon, true from false. It is for there to be one controller, one knowledge, one perception, one way of life. It could be that this is the best way of life the best attitude why not adopt it. This attitude that we are not meant to fight one another, but live together peacefully. Will this be possible if we live together but have differences.
It is like a good piece of art like film or book that makes one think, poses some deeper questions and stimulates some such level of the identity of human being that feels that he does not find contentment in temporary matters, temporary knowledge, temporary achievements, and there is some innate desire to explore and maybe finally reach to some point of enlightenment. It is such knowledge that makes one think about. There is also this example from the mythology of the player that plays so well that the whole world peoPle, and animals stop to listen. We can be impressed, applaud, sleep, cough or talk amongst ourselves because we don't like the misic, but we are all in the audience of the concert and those who like to rise voice, or go and step on the stage, you know there are such some cases that some people with mind problems cannot stay still and like to attract the attention. It is just disturbing.
first we may agree on some basic points that OK the world does not rotate arround me, I am not the cneter of the universe and this is OK, bu lets find some point arround wich to turn around our common world of perceptions, could it be The Knowledge of the soul or any else, some way to cool our own selves with our own ways and organise us in some complete form. This is the way i see we can live in peace i see no other way. If we have some important point for all of us, that is one and the same.
What is also new in this knwoeldge is that it is new but along with it likes to wipe out everything old, everything else, but it is not like confroning it but rather like envelop it, include it, melt it. We are meant to forget everything and remember only one think. Like in the Gita God says to Krishna Arjun now you forget everything whatever you have studied up to now and listen to what i tell. You don't know your own births, i tell you about them. We can be very sharp in all matters, but in these spiritual matters we are all like babies, students, ignorants. That's why i complain that to this knowledge other, different type of knowledge is opposed. That's why i complain, because i know that about these matters no one can know anything, there is no way to have information about, there is nowhere to take it from. Like it is said that no one has come back from dying to tell how it is like.
That's why there is no point in confronting this spiritual knowledge with wordly knowledge. It cannot be proven wrong in this way. And we cannot prove it right or wrong in any way, because we have no sourse of this type of knwoeldge, no way to know and claim if these matters are right or wrong, because we are not knowledgeful by definition. We learn and then know. To this the idea of a knowledgeful soul - God is opposed and he is knowledgeful in his own (spiritual) area without competition, he is single there. No one else can know it. At other hand he does not know what we know, our wordly matters. He is himself superwordly, from above this world, in the knowlegde in the perceptions, he is ignorant in anything wordly.
Of course there is many time of spiritual knowledge available, but it all comes from human beings so it is false. There are even different ideas that clash amongst themselves. That's why amongst all the ideas, there is only one correct, right, true idea. We cannot know whcich one it is, because we are not ourselves embodiment of this idea, but we can recognise. The more we recognise and become close to this idea we become the same. If we recognise the falsehood as true we will become false. There is only one way, only one shop etc. It is external to us all, but we all imbibe to different extent, we all walk different way (in this one way) we all buy in our own way, that's why we are all called numberwise and God is not counted in the numbers, because he is the embodiment of this idea himself, the truth himself.
