Who is teaching RajYoga?? [from when and to whom??]

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Who is teaching RajYoga?? [from when and to whom??]

Post29 Oct 2007

Who is teaching RajYoga?? -- and to whom??
A few queries to all BKs and PBKs who seem to be apparently studying RajYoga taught by Supreme Soul Shiva.

First query: When did the study of RajYoga first commence??
    Was it in 1937, when Shivbap first descended from some imaginary Paramdham above and was instrumental in forming the "Om mandli"?? OR
    Was it in 1947 in karachi, when Shivbap entered in Lekhraj Kirpalani(Brahma) and started speaking Murlis from his mouth?? OR
    Was it in 1976, when Shivbap started narrating Advanced Knowledge through Virendra Dev Dixit, as Bap-teacher-satguru (as per PBK belief)??
In all the above three instances, the omnipotent Shivbap could not unite the world He created, while teaching RajYoga to the souls. Om Mandli disintegrated, giving way to the BK organisation in 1947, and BK family split into two fragments giving birth to PBKs in 1976, and the PBK family is still fragmenting into smaller units and is well on its way to total destruction in the near future.

So can any BK or PBK say with 100% certainty that they are studying RajYoga from Shivbap?

Also if we assume that Shivbap is teaching RajYoga to PBKs from 1976 onwards, then again many queries crop up in a logical mind. The total population at the beginning of Golden Age is 9,16,108 souls -- out of this 9,00,000 are ordinary praja from the BK world and 16,108 will comprise souls from the PBK world, which includes 16,000 royal praja and 108 king quality souls (this is the standard teaching in Advanced Knowledge).

Now my dillemma is: If PBKs feel that Shivbap is teaching RajYoga from 1976, then IS HE TEACHING RajYoga TO BOTH (16000 ROYAL PRAJA SOULS AND 108 KING QUALITY SOULS) AT THE SAME TIME ?? If this is so, then the whole edifice of Advanced Knowledge collapses, as the Murli clearly says that " I come to teach you RajYoga and to make you kings" (which means that neither the 9,00,000 ordinary praja from BKs, nor the 16,000 royal praja from the PBKs will learn RajYoga from Shivbap and it is only the 108 king souls of rudramala that will learn RajYoga directly from the Father).

So, can we not come to a logical conclusion (as per the study of Murlis) that the study of RajYoga has still not started by ShivBaba and will start only in the near future when Rambap attains the 100% incorporeal stage like Shivbap and becomes living Ramshivbaba and will teach only to 108 rudramala souls (and not to 16000 PBK praja).-- to be continued.

Views and comments of my BK and PBK Brothers are awaited.(please be precise and to the point)

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Post29 Oct 2007

Welcome back Shivasena.

As per the the question of who of who, when , where , how of Shiva teaching Raj Yoga, are you not just reading too much into it and splitting every sentence for some extra or hidden meaning?
the omnipotent Shivbap could not unite the world He created, while teaching RajYoga to the souls.

What time scale are you talking about, you say 'could not', but has the task finished yet?
Should it be 'has not yet'?
IS HE TEACHING RajYoga TO BOTH (16000 ROYAL PRAJA SOULS AND 108 KING QUALITY SOULS) AT THE SAME TIME

Yes he is teaching the same education to all souls who are interested. Where in the Murli does it say he teaches different things to different souls on different levels?

The different levels are produced by what the soul can take or understand from The Knowledge numberwise.
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Post29 Oct 2007

john wrote:As per the the question of who of who, when , where , how of Shiva teaching Raj Yoga, are you not just reading too much into it and splitting every sentence for some extra or hidden meaning?

Dear john Bhai,
Any soul who is inclined to know the Godly knowledge in totality, would naturally ask all the queries you have just enumerated, not to make things complicated but to understand every aspect therein.

the omnipotent Shivbap could not unite the world He created, while teaching RajYoga to the souls. What time scale are you talking about, you say 'could not', but has the task finished yet? Should it be 'has not yet'?

Yes, that is what exactly i wish to know. Omnipotent Shivbap has been imparting knowledge from 1937 and still there is no trace of transformation in souls and no signs of any unity between the various group of souls, when Murli says that "Father comes and gives mukti and jeevan-mukti in one second" ; Shivbap has been here for about 70 years and no one knows when that one second in going to come???
IS HE TEACHING RajYoga TO BOTH (16000 ROYAL PRAJA SOULS AND 108 KING QUALITY SOULS) AT THE SAME TIME?

Yes he is teaching the same education to all souls who are interested. Where in the Murli does it say he teaches different things to different souls on different levels? The different levels are produced by what the soul can take or understand from The Knowledge numberwise.

If you read and collect and analyse the various Murli points on RajYoga spoken by Shivbap, then they tell a different story.
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Post29 Oct 2007

shivsena wrote:If you read and collect and analyse the various Murli points on RajYoga spoken by Shivbap, then they tell a different story.

OK, hopefully if the forum stays live after the efforts of the BKSWU to shut it down, then Murlis will be available for all to study and check for themselves.
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Post29 Oct 2007

Dear Shivsena Bhai,

Omshanti and welcome back to the forum. I am sure the activity in the PBK section will increase with your valued contributions.

Although RajYoga is being taught by ShivBaba since 1937, the methodology (or level) was different at different points of time. It may be possible that RajYoga may be taught in more depth or from a different angle when the entire Brahmin family (i.e. Rudramala and Vijaymala) unites.

I agree with John Bhai that although The Knowledge (or RajYoga) taught by the Supreme Father may be the same for all the children, they become numberwise depending on their grasping power or the efforts that they put in.

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Post30 Oct 2007

shivsena wrote:So, can we not come to a logical conclusion (as per the study of Murlis) that the study of RajYoga has still not started by ShivBaba and will start only in the near future when Rambap attains the 100% incorporeal stage like Shivbap and becomes living Ramshivbaba and will teach only to 108 rudramala souls (and not to 16000 PBK praja)

Om Shanti. As per the study of Murlis we can come to conclusion, that there will be 16,108 souls with king qualities, among which there will be 8 Narayanas and 8 Lakshmis. I did not see anywhere in Murlis nothing about royal prajas.

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bkdimok wrote: I did not see anywhere in Murlis nothing about royal prajas.

But have you read all the Murlis?
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bkdimok wrote:As per the study of Murlis we can come to conclusion, that there will be 16108 souls with king qualities, among which there will be 8 Narayanas and 8 Lakshmis. I did not see anywhere in Murlis nothing about royal prajas.

And I did not see anywhere in Murlis about 8 Narayanas & 8 Lakshmis.
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Post30 Oct 2007

Dear bkdimok,
Omshanti. I don't know if the word 'royal' has been prefixed with praja (subjects) in the Murlis or Avyakt Vanis, but there is definitely mention of first class and second class praja. There is mention of praja who would be richer than the kings.

I agree with John that you should try to study as many Murlis and Avyakt Vanis as possible. I understand that it may not be possible for you to collect all of them. That is the reason why this site is trying to collect as many of them as possible for the benefit of all the souls who may be interested in studying/doing research in Godly knowledge (as published by the BKs).

Dear new knowledge,
Omshanti. 8 Lakshmis and 8 Narayans have been mentioned several times in the Sakar Murlis. ShivBaba talks about the 8 thrones of Narayan and also gives the example of King Edward the first, second, third.

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Post30 Oct 2007

arjun wrote:Although RajYoga is being taught by ShivBaba since 1937, the methodology (or level) was different at different points of time. It may be possible that RajYoga may be taught in more depth or from a different angle when the entire Brahmin family (i.e. Rudramala and Vijaymala) unites.

Dear arjun Bhai.

Which methodology are you talking about?? The PBKs firmly believe that ShivBaba is not there in the BK family at present, so there is no question of RajYoga being taught there and even before 1969, when Shivbap was there in the body of Lekhraj Kirpalani (Brahma), the PBKs believe that was the role of mother (not Bap-teacher-satguru) and that RajYoga can be taught only by the Father (not mother) as per the Murlis. So the study of RajYoga never commenced in the BK family from 1947, nor in Om Mandli before 1947.

Also PBKs believe that purshottam Sangamyug started in 1976 and in that same year shiv-jayanti was celebrated. So according to PBKs, ShivBaba has been teaching RajYoga from 1976 exclusively to PBKs and not to anyone else. This belief also has many flaws as i shall point in my next post.

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Post30 Oct 2007

shivsena wrote:So the study of RajYoga never commenced in the BK family from 1947, nor in Om Mandli before 1947.

There is good evidence to suggest that from the early documents. Up until then it was all "active psychicism", e.g. trance, kriyas etc induced by chanting and realisation of the Brahm element.

Why do you want this topic to be in the PBK forum and not the Commonroom, as it effects all? Or even the history forum, e.g. History of the BKWSU meditation practise?
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Post30 Oct 2007

arjun wrote:I don't know if the word 'royal' has been prefixed with praja (subjects) in the Murlis or Avyakt Vanis, but there is definitely mention of first class and second class praja. There is mention of praja who would be richer than the kings.

Om. I don't mind about 1 st and 2 nd class prajas. But there is no royal prajas. All 16,108 are kings. They all have king's qualities. I just wanted to clear out this point.

As for those prajas, who would be richer than kings ... who are they? I have an explanation. May be somebody else have some ideas?

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ex-l wrote:Why do you want this topic to be in the PBK forum and not the Commonroom, as it effects all? Or even the history forum, e.g. History of the BKWSU meditation practise?

Dear ex-l.
Yes, you are right about this topic, that it should be in the commonroom. But since i usually do not visit any other forum except the PBKs, i just put all my posts in the PBK section, as my main aim is to prove that the Advanced Knowledge is also subtle bhakti-marg and not gyan-marg as most PBKs think.

The PBKs are directing their post to the BKs to prove that ShivBaba is not amongst the BKs and i wish to awaken the PBKs in a similar way, that ShivBaba is not amongst the PBKs and it is Krishna who is playing a mayavi role to seperate out the 108 souls from 16000 souls. Just as the Advanced Knowledge seperated the 16,108 PBK family from 900,000 BK family, so also a neo-knowledge in future (sacchi Gita given by Ramshivbaba) will segregate the 108 rudramala souls from 16,000 PBK souls. I wish to spread this message to all PBKs.

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Post30 Oct 2007

This was the same intention I had with the "What's wrong with Bhakti" thread but very few were prepared to see their own practice as Bhakti marg. I think all BK and PBK and Vishnu is Bhakti.
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Post30 Oct 2007

So many leafs on the Religion Tree. Even BKWSU have at least two sects ... It's time to fell this tree down.
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