Re: PBK shivsena
Posted:
29 Oct 2007
by shivsena
Dear Brother.
You queries are most relevant and i welcome them. i was expecting such queries but it is just not possible for me to put my thoughts on paper regarding these queries. i can give answers to your queries only when we have a face to face discussion. i was expecting you to come to my place for a healthy chat as you had promised but you have not yet turned up and i am still waiting for that day.
Till then happy churning.
shivsena.
Posted:
30 Oct 2007
by shivsena
Dear Brother.
You have asked me many complex queries, for which i have expressed my inability to answer them on paper and i ask you to pardon me for this shortcoming; now i am just asking you a very simple query which you can answer very easily and this in turn will answer many of your queries which you put to me.
Query to all BK and PBK Brothers.
Is there is any soul (in the BK or PBK family) who attains 100% incorporeal stage, like Shiva (nirakari stage i.e. totally devoid of body consciousness) after coming in this Godly knowledge.
If the answer is YES, then which is that soul ?? and if the answer is NO, then why it is repeatedly said in Amrit Vela that we have to attain ''Nirakari, Nirvikari, and Nirahankari'' stage like the Father.
If you can answer this simple query, then you will understand all the queries you have put to me (there will be no need for me to answer them).
shivsena.
Posted:
31 Oct 2007
by new knowledge
My dear Brother shivsena, now I ask you very simple questions about which I expect you should not have any problem to discuss here in this public forum.
You argue that Sachchee Gita (delivered by RamShivBaba) will be instrumental to seperate out 108 Rudramala King quality souls from 16,000 PBK Royal Praja quality souls in near future (from 2009 onwards) & Ghootee Gita, i.e, Advanced Knowledge (delivered by Krishna's soul) seperated out 16,108 PBK souls from 9,00,000 BK souls from 1976 onwards. Similarly, from 1937 (or whatever may be the year in your mind) onwards, 9,16,108 Sangamyugi Brahmin family souls are being seperated out from 700 crore world population. While going through the summary of your thoughts, as mentioned here, some queries crop up in my mind.
1) If Ghutee Gita (delivered by Krishna's soul) could seperate out 16,108 PBK souls from 9,00,000 BK souls, then why Sachchee Gita (by RamShivBaba) is essential to seperate out 108 Rudramala souls from 16,000 souls....? In both situations, the similar process of seperation of a small group of souls from a big group of souls takes place. Then why in the first situation (i.e, seperation of 108 souls from 16,000 souls), Sachchee Gita is supposed (by you) to play its role & in the second situation (i.e, seperation of 16,108 souls from 9,00,000 souls), Ghutee Gita is supposed (by you) to play its role??? Why not either Sachchee or Ghutee Gita could work in both situations?? It's also important to know that in 1937 neither Sachchee Gita nor Ghoota Gita was available, then from 1937 onwards, in the absence of both Geetas, how could 9,16,108 Sangamyugi Brahmin family souls seperate out from 700 crore world population? in short, RamShivBaba or His Sachchee Gita works neither in the process of seperation of 9,16,108 souls from 700 crore population nor in the process of seperation of 16,108 souls from 9,00,000 souls, then why seperation of 108 souls requires interference of RamShivBaba & His Sachchee Gita?
2) Again according to you, RamShivBaba becomes instrumental to seperate out 108 Rudrama souls from 16,000 PBK Royal family souls & Krishna's soul becomes instrumental to seperate out 16,108 PBK souls from 9,00,000 BK souls, then who is instrumental to seperate out 9,16,108 Sangamyugi Brahmin family souls from 700 crore world population??
3) You claim that in the process of seperation of 9,16,108 souls from 700 crore souls, SamgamYugi Brahmin family degraded & disintegrated into two parts - BKs & PBKs; and during the process of seperation of 16,108 souls from 9,00,000 souls, Brahmin family rapidly degraded & splitted into several small groups. Then logically we have to accept that also in seperation of 108 souls from 16,000 souls, our Brahmin family will undergo more degradation & it will split into more peaces. Thus if during seperation of 16,108 souls from 9,00,000 souls & seperation of 9,16,108 souls from 700 crore population, the whole Brahmin family faced degradation & disintigration; then how could you expect that during seperation of 108 souls from 16,000 souls, Brahmin family will undergo upliftment & unification??
Re: The use of music during BK meditation
Posted:
31 Oct 2007
by bkdimok
shivsena wrote: So Shrimat is not being followed in BK centers nor the PBK centers.
Om Shanti. And what do you suggest?
Shankar
Re: The use of music during BK meditation
Posted:
31 Oct 2007
by bkdimok
shivsena wrote:OK, more later. shivsena.
Om. I can smell pride even from here.
Re: The use of music during BK meditation
Posted:
31 Oct 2007
by john
shivsena wrote: true Gyan-marg will begin only when Ram's soul attains the 100% incorporeal stage and starts giving true Gita-Gyan;
So who is going to give true Gita Gyan, Ram, as you say or Shiva?
Re: The use of music during BK meditation
Posted:
31 Oct 2007
by bkdimok
shivsena wrote:If you can smell pride, then why ask me for my suggestion in the first place.
I saw your pride after your suggestion. However it is your problem. All I can wish to you is to come back from your virtual reality to this reality. Do you really think that God gave knowledge and it was understood wrong. And only after 70 years it was you who understood it right? However it is your problem.
With best wishes, Shankar
Posted:
02 Nov 2007
by shivsena
Dear Brother.
In Murlis, it is said that the whole knowledge can be understood in only two words "Alaf and Be" and it is also said in Murlis that if you have not understood ALAF, then you will not understand anything. So i feel that none of the BKs or PBKs or any soul of Vishnu Party has ever defined who ALAF is nor given any thought about who is BE, and therefore it is would better that we first concentrate on who is ALAf, rather than waste time on useless queries.
shivsena.
Posted:
02 Nov 2007
by ex-l
And, say, I or others accept your point of view - because it is logical enough - what do we do in the meantime until the perfect avatar is revealed?
Surely that is the main issue? Knowing is one thing, but doing or being makes the future.