Accurate Yaad (Accurate Remembrance)

Dear Cal,

Accurate remembrance:

It means to remember everything accurately. It means to give correct value to each and everything. For example, while walking, we see many things on road. But nothing attracts our conscious. But if we see a coin or jewel, our attention is drawn and we wish to pick it up. Even if there is a small diamond in middle of thousand stones, we give importance to the diamond.

In this materialstic world, everybody thinks of money, since money can give you everything (or most of the needs) and without money, your 80% of the things become useless.

So give right weightage for each and everything. Now what happens when you give right weightage? The less importance things are easily and automatically forgotten and the most powerful thing remains in mind. Eg: You try to think both stone and diamond together. It is possible. Think deeply what is the value of each. After some time, stone becomes invisible to you. When you get better thing, you do not need old thing. Similarly a pure soul does not need any body.

The values of the things in the decreasing order are 1) Godfather Shiva, 2) Human Souls, 3) Physical Body, 4) Nature. Now you think on anything you like. *We have knowledge that Baba(God) is always pure, neither comes in birth and death, ocean of knowledge, purifier, etc, etc, etc. *We also know that soul is eternal, so it is powerful than the physical body. *Physical body is more important than material wealth, because without body (health), the nature or physical wealth is useless. [Hence it is told that- “If character(soul power) is lost, everything is lost, If health is lost, something is lost and if wealth is lost, nothing is lost]. What will happen is after some time, you will just be remembering soul and Supreme Soul!

To get elevated, one should have company better than him. Eg: By company of King, we gain. By company of beggar, we will lose. So- similarly by the company of body, soul power decreases (because body is lesser importance (mortal) than soul (eternal). Becoming body-conscious means considering myself to be mortal, that is devaluing myself). Since we are souls or eternal, we have to think (be conscious, be influenced) only the things that are higher than us(souls).

What are the things present? ShivaBaba, Paramdham, Soul (myself and other souls) Heaven and Hell, pure and impure bodies (of heaven and hell). Now in these the pure things are Baba, Paramdham and Heaven. Even the soul form (point) is pure. Because the soul is eternal(this is the reason why the original nature of the soul is called as pure).

So- if we have to become pure, we have to think of – Baba (the point), soul (the point), Shantidham or Heaven or pure bodies of Lakshmi and Narayan. Then there is no problem at all. But since the highest power is of Shivaba, automatically all the other things will forgotten and after sometime, you will just think Baba (point) with you (point). You will not be conscious of this world at all. Then it is as good as you are in Paramdham itself.

But if you want or have to remember anything that belongs to impure world due to our daily work, then you should remember something that is pure also together with it (Yoga together with karma). Then you will be safe. Like you are in a river; But if you hold a rope that is tied to a tree on the shore, you are safe. You can come to shore at any time. Similarly, if you think Nirakar together with Sakar, it is OK. But remembering just Sakar is danger (you are in river without any support).

So remembering just Niraakaar is the highest. It is the originality. It is the beej-roop or Baap-samaan stage. That is what Baba says You have to forget your name and form of the physical body. Like we do not remember our body of previous birth, we should forget our present body.

Remembering the mortal body of heaven is OK eventhough it is mortal. Why? Because it does not disturbs us. In heaven, the nature is our slave. The soul is not at all attached to the body. The soul automatically sheds the body in a second. [Wearing a clean new costume is comfortable; but dirty, old cloth gives sorrow and disease. So thinking of heaven and deities is OK, but thinking of just impure bodies is a sin (a loss, discomfort)].

After practice, ultimately we will be able to think (churn) everything and forget everything by practice. This is called as swadarshanchakra. After seeing a movie, only important things are remembered. Other things are forgotten. Similarly, after The Knowledge of drama, the most important things- that is heaven, Paramdham and Baba will remain in our mind, and other things just come and go like a visitor meets and leaves. This is the last stage.

Soul is beyond action (karma). So if a soul forgets itself (Yoga), then it is influenced by karma (karmabhoga). So we have to be in the state of either Yoga(influenced by Nirakaar or just pure things) or by both (karmayoga). If there is always at least one link (Yoga) while doing karma, you will automatically be drawn by Yoga(since Yoga(soul) is much powerful than karma (body)) and remain safe at all the times.

Due to the impurity present in this physical body, Baba says do not remember even Brahma Baba, do not keep his photos, etc. But children cannot become soul conscious immediately. So their mind goes on thinking many people. That is why Baba sometimes says remember Brahma Baba also. Remembering Brahma’s body is better than remembering other people of Kaliyuga. Remembering ShivaBaba in Brahma is completely safe. But you will not get full power. For full power, you have to think just pure things, that too point form is the superb.

So there is no problem at all if you remember both together. Because if you have concentration in it(both Brahma and ShivaBaba), then after sometime, Brahma’s body is soon forgotten and you will automatically move higher (like a lighter thing floats). If one has confusion like whether I should remember Baba in a Body or separate, then there cannot be any concentration! Right?

Dear mbbhat:

Thanks for taking the time to respond in this forum.

Cal

Dear Arjun Soul,

I have explained everything. You can remember in any way. You have to give most important to those things which are eternal. Ultimately only eternal point will remain in your mind and that is the exact karmaateet stage. A girl remembers her lover. She remembers boy. She is not bothered what cloth her lover has put on. She may think him in any dress. Her concentration is just on the body of the boy. When her concentration is 100%, she remembers just face of the boy and the size of the body. She forgets each and individual parts of the body. Baba has also told there is also a pure jismaanee (bodily) Yaad (love, remembrance).

We know that all the people in this world get birth by impure body. They remember impure body. Still Baba calls that love as pure. So why cannot we remember Brahma's body? It all depends how you think? Impurity is within us. And not outside.

Another thing, a child thinks of its mother who gave birth to it through lust. Does it gets lust? No. Why? It does not know what is lust. Why it does not have lust? Because its organs are still not developed and has yet to learn. But we people are habituated to love body with impurity (lust, ego, etc). Hence we have to forget body. That is the only way.

So to forget the body, we need a powerful thing than body. That is the soul. Give highest importance to the soul and become carefree. All in this world work for money. Why? Because it is the most important thing. Similarly, ShivaBaba is the only one who is really important. That is why Baba always says, Ek baap doosraa na koi. Baba does not say "Do Baap".

The soul of this one too did not have knowledge. Just as the the charioteer-like soul of this one, speaks through the body, similarly I too speak through these organs. Otherwise, how would I explain?” "

Dear Arjun Soul,

Girl needs Dalaal till establishment of relation with Boy. You need postman till the letter is received. Once you receive the letter, will you think of the postman while reading the letter? You will remember just the person who wrote to you. Similarly, once we realize that Baba is a point, bodiless, above birth and death, Purifier, Ocean of Love, etc, then we do not need corporeal things in our mind. We need just food, shelter etc to live. Baba says "hath kaar day, dil yaar day". Yaar (lover) is always one. Not two.

If you think body is to be remembered, what is the use? If you want food, you should eat. Just by thinking of food, you do not get strength. But soul and Supreme Souls are eternal. They are not subtle. So eternal thing (soul) should remember (get company of) eternal things. Like body should get the company of food. Eternal soul does not get mixed with body. Body gets separated from soul one day. Then what is the use of thinking something that is going to perish?

Even if you say Virendra Dev Dixit's soul is completely pure, does not that body needs food and water? That body needs something. So whenever you remember that body, you will definitely be influenced by nature. Does Virendra Dev Dixit's body emit bad smell or fragrance like deities? Virendra Dev Dixit has diabetes. Some PBK told me. Whose karmic account is that?

So to forget the body, we need a powerful thing than body. That is the soul. Give highest importance to the soul and become carefree.

Dear Brother,

Omshanti. On the one side you say that we should forget the body and remember only the point of light and on the other side you say it is OK to remember ShivBaba through the picture of Late Brahma Baba. Which of the two is correct?

Similarly, ShivaBaba is the only one who is really important. That is why- Baba always says- Ek baap doosraa na koi. Baba does not say "Do Baap".

You say one Father and none else. But how can one recognize that 'ONE' Father if He is to be imagined only as a point of light in a Soul World that nobody has seen? Moreover there are so many concepts of ShivBaba in the BK world.

1. ShivBaba as a point of light in the Paramdham.
2. ShivBaba as a point of light in the body of Brahma Baba.
3. ShivBaba through the body of Gulzar Dadi.
4. ShivBaba through the body of various senior BKs (as evident by Mama's Murli, Dadi Janaki's Class/Murli). Every BK is taught to think that whoever may be the person reading out the Murli, they should think it is ShivBaba who is teaching. So, is He omnipresent?
5. If we have to remember 'one ShivBaba and none else' then why is so much publicity given to the pictures of Dadis and other senior BKs through megaprogrammes, and through their pictures hanging on the walls of Madhuban and centers and in gift items?
6. Recently, someone has posted the official letter written by BK Nirwair to all the BKs regarding the progress of Manmohini Complex at Mukrimata. If you see the second line you will find so many names whose remembrances have been conveyed to the BKs.

"Please accept Godly love and remembrances from Dadi Jankiji, Dadi Gulzarji, other Dadis, Brother Rameshji, Brother Brij Mohanji and Madhuban niwasi Sisters and Brothers."

If BKs aim to remember and remind everyone of one Baba and none else, then why do they convey the remembrances of so many senior BKs in official letters? cannot they do without it?

So, with so many concepts of ShivBaba in BKWSU and with so much of subtle Bhakti (of senior BKs) going on in the Yagya, can you say for sure that every BK is remembering 'One Baba and none else'? If you compare this with the PBKs, most of them are at least remembering one ShivBaba through the body of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit. So, who is remembering 'one' and who is remembering 'many'?

If you think body is to be remembered, what is the use? If you want food, you should eat. Just by thinking of food, you do not get strength. But soul and Supreme Souls are eternal. They are not subtle. So- eternal thing(soul) should remember(get company of) eternal things. Like body should get the company of food. Eternal soul does not get mixed with body. Body gets separated from soul one day. Then what is the use of thinking something that is going to perish?

If the body is of no use, why did the Supreme Soul need to come in a sinful body in a sinful world? He could have given the inheritance to all the souls sitting in the Soul World. It is true that we have to leave the body one day. But it is also true that we have to live with this body for 5000 years. Even in the heaven deities see each other as souls within the body and not as a soul living in the Soul World. So, is it not better if we practice to see soul within the body and not as a point of light without the body?

Even if you say Veerendra Dev Dixit's soul is completely pure, does not that body needs food and water? That body needs something. So whenever you remember that body, you will definitely be influenced by nature. Does Veerendra Dev Dixit's body emit bad smell or fragrance like deities? Veerendra Dev Dixit has diabetes. Some PBK told me. Whose karmic account is that?

I don't know the exact physical ailment of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit, but, like other souls, he too has his own karmic accounts to clear. But that does not mean that if we remember ShivBaba through his body we will get the same diseases. He aims to go to heaven through the same body and we too have the same aim unlike the BKs who aim to leave their bodies and then take birth as deity children in the next birth.

With regards,
OGS,
Arjun

Dear Arjun Soul,

1) Food of mind and body is different. What I mean is by remembering impure body (the one that emits bad smell, produced from lust), one cannot become pure. Actually there is no need of body at all. The soul is totally different than body. Immediately we come in body from Satyug itself, we descend (the power decreases). But Drama is made like that. We have to comedown. Hence we will forget Baba and think body slowly and slowly.
2) Now it is return journey. So we have to forget Body and bodily relations.
3) I am not seeing what BKs do or think. I am seeing just Murli and Brahmababa. I am a BrahmaKumar and not Kumar of any BK. What BKs do is not at all important to me. A student in a class will follow better students(directed by teacher) and will not come under the company of weak students.
4) In Murli it is said, " A pure soul cannot remain in impure body". You say Virendra Dev Dixit's soul has become pure since 1976 itself. Then how can he have disease? If you wish, you can say the conditions of Virendra Dev Dixit's body since you say his body should be remembered.
5) I have explained in detail how to remember. There is no need of further explanation.

Dear Arjun Soul,

Brahma Baba rules for 5,000 years directly or indirectly;

1) Brahma Baba becomes first prince in Satyug (Golden Age) and rules the whole world. He will be in royal family till the end of Tretayug (Silver Age). Then in Dwaparyug, it is Brahma Baba who becomes Vikramaditya and constructs the gloriest temple SOMANATH, fully made from Gold and Diamonds. So he is King even in Copper Age. We do not know the rest of his births.
2) The most important thing is, after Copper Age Brahma Baba gets the name of Gita Sermonizer and till the end of Kaliyug (Iron Age), people consider Sri Krishna himself as the sermonizer of the world’s highest scripture. What a glory of Brahma Baba!
3) Even in Sangamyug, ShivaBaba entered his body and narrated Godly versions. All BKs love Brahma Baba also very well. They salute him and consider next to God. Everywhere in BK centres you can see Brahma Baba’s photos. Ordinary people still think that it is Brahma Baba who has established BrahmaKumaris institution.
4) Name of the institution is also Brahma Kumaris! Name of the food is also Brahma Bhojan! Brahma is the first Brahmin.
5) Initially from Copper Age, there is avyabhichaari (pure) worship. That is worship of real God Shiva. Many temples of Shiva are constructed. After some time, Sri Krishna’s temples get constructed. Then Lakshmi Narayan, then Ram-Sita and so on. Temples of Shiva have highest glory. Temples of Sri Krishna and Lakshmi Narayan have the next glory. We know that Sri Krishna and Narayan are one and the same! What a fortune Brahma Baba has received! Brahma Baba has given such a love to each and every soul that all were satisfied with him. He gave love even to his enemies.
6) Like there is the word Shrimat (Directions of God), the word “Directions of Brahma” is also famous.
7) In Puri (in Orissa state of India), the temple of Sri Krishna is called as Jagannath [Jagat-nath]. The temple of Shiva in Kashi (Banaaras) is called as Vishwa-nath. The meaning of Jagannath and Vishwanath are one and the same. [Vishwa = Jagat= World & Nath= King= Owner]. This means that Shiva is maalik (owner) by default since he is the almighty and the real donour to all the souls. He gives everything needed to the whole drama in Confluence Age. ShivaBaba is the INCORPOREAL owner of the world. And Brahmababa is the CORPOREAL owner of the world! Brahma_Baba gets the status of God himself! How great he is!
8) In Drama, ShivaBaba does not take any credit (since he is abhokta and completely detached having no desires at any time). So practically ShivaBaba rules just in Sangamyug (Confluence Age). That too he is detached even at that time also. He enters in Brahma’s body, speaks Murli and leaves.
9) ShivaBaba is the real Father. He gives full property to Children. Children get the status of God itself! See the drama! The reason is ShivaBaba does not interfere in anything by his personal interest. If ShivaBaba has any personal interest, then he should distribute the property equally and all the souls will have to become Kings. Then drama cannot run. So ShivaBaba just plays his role according to Drama and children according to realization of God (ShivaBaba), receive (earn) property.
10) Words Shivaarpanam and Krishaarpanam are famous.
11) Hence it becomes very clear that Brahma Baba is next to God. Hence practically he gets the highest seat in the Kalpa, the real hero actor, Adi Dev.
5) Drama has not made Sri Ram or Shankar as Gita Sermonizer. So- it implies that it is Sri Krishna, that is Brahma Baba, is really next to God.

Hence I think there is no essence in teachings of so called PBKs or Shankar party.

Dear Souls,

How knowledge is mis-interpreted by PBKs

1)It is mentioned in Murli that “Geetaa me Krishn kaa naam daalne se bhagavaan kee hasti gum ho gayi hai”-

Bhagavaan kee hasti is Brahma Baba. Brahma is not worshipped in Bhakti-Marg (Just a very, very few temples are there). This implies that by inserting Sri Krishna’s name, Brahma’s value is lost. Otherwise actually if Niraakaar Shiva’s name would have been present in Bhagavadgeetaa, then Brahma also would have got the right place, since Shiva is and niraakaar (bodyless), he needs a body to speak and then definitely, Brahma would have received the right value.

But the PBKs explain something totally different and it seems that there is no logic at all. In their website, it is written, “If instead of SriKrishna, Shiv-Shanker Bholanath is written then all the religions would have accepted Gita as the highest scripture, because Shankar is called as the one who conquered lust where as it is written in scriptures that Sri Krishna had 16,108 wives. Now my question is, in the scripture there is another story of Shankar that “Shankar became completely nude and chased MOHINI to satisfy his lust”. Nobody is given higher glaani (defame) than this. Then how can the people of all the religions accept Gita as the highest scripture?

3) Also Shiv-Linga is worshipped in Bhakti Marg. Shankar’s statue is not present in many of Shiva temples. I think in olden Shiva temples, Shankar’s statue is not at all present. If I get time and seems important, then I may do a small study on this.

4) PBKs ask “Why Shiva and Shankar are mixed together?” My answer is perhaps “what you (PBKs) are doing now” You say Shiva is always present in Virendra Dev Dixit’s body and you call him Shankar. This is the biggest disservice in the Yagya. I think, this is an additional cause why in Bhakti-Marg, Shiva and Shankar are treated one and the same. Then Shiva’s incorporeal form is made into bodily form. This defamed Shiva.

When Shiva is considered to look like human form, like Shankar a yogi, then other religions gave no respect for Shiva and looted Shiva temples. If Hindus had considered the incorporeal form of Shiva alone as Shiva, then other religions would have considered Shiva as really high. But since human form was given to Shiva, value of Shiva is lost and countless Gods came into existence in India. This divided Hindus into Shaiva, Vaishnava, Ram-bhakt, etc etc made them weak. Then the other religions easily looted India and we know the history. So we should never think Shiva in corporeal form. It is foolishness. But PBKs tell Shiva should be remembered in the patit(impure) body of VDixit. Readers can decide according to their intellect and accept according to their capacity.

Views of BKs and (so- called) PBKs

1) BKs call PBKs the Shankar Party. Reason is clear. Virendra Dev Dixit declares himself as Shankar. But PBKs call BKs as Kauravas and call themselves as Pandavas.
2) PBKs call BKs as kukavamshaavali (the one who takes birth from womb).
3) In BK centres, Murli runs daily and in many centres, both morning and evening. But in PBKs usually once in a week. Baba has said in Murli that it is better to take gyan-snan twice a day.
4) BKs consider people of the whole world as Brothers. But PBKs consider just their people as Brothers.
5) BKs open Pradarshanis, do service extensively by spending their tan, man and dhan. But PBKs call it as advertisements. [But they have website, is it not an advertisement?]
6) BKs give full freedom to attend class if the student is interested to listen and do not disturb the class. But PBKs will demand address and sometimes even signature in a ledger.
7) BKs just fill up the forms in a normal paper when students want to go to Madhuban. But PBKs demand in Bond Paper of Kaurava Government!
8) BKs put pictures of Brahma Baba. But no BK tells to remember Brahma Baba. But PBKs tell to remember Virendra Dev Dixit’s body itself! Is this not the higest bhoot-pooja? (Forcing to keep IMPURE body in HEART!) [They may say Virendra Dev Dixit’s soul is pure from 1976 itself. Then does that body emit fragrance like deities?
9) BKs say ShivaBaba uses Brahma Baba’s body just for sometime in a day (say one hour) while speaking the Murli. But PBKs say ShivaBaba stays in Virendra Dev Dixit’s body all the time; 24 hours, 365 days since 1976 or perhaps 1969 itself. [In one Murli, Baba has told “mai paakhaanaa naheen jaataa hun, jo mujhe nahaanaa pade”- means I do not go to lavoratory to take bath (like you)” Just see how impure they have made even ShivaBaba. They say ShivaBaba stays in Virendra Dev Dixit’s body even when he goes to toilet!]
10) ShivaBaba says “Forget whatever you see through your eyes”. But PBKs say you should never forget VDixit’s body!

(Still many things can be written)

Dear Arjun Soul,

Baba has said, "If you want to see most intelligent, see here. If you want to see most dull head see here". So in BKs, there will be many types. It is waste to comment about what BKs do. It is wise to discuss what Murli says. And also we know that only 8 are going to pass 100%. So majority of BKs are definitely going to fail.

Even then, if you see, BKs are still better than anybody. They try to approach each and every different country, religion, status people and give the divine message. They get blamed fromby PBKs, ex-Bks, and worldly people. You do not get blame from ex-Bks or worldly people. Baba has said "when you love God, the whole world will become your enemy". BKs have threat from all sides. What threat do you have? You have received threat from BKs because you came and disturbed students at BK centres.

[But even then I am not unhappy from you. Baba says "You see in Drama, there is plan. These (body- conscious people) will fight with each other and Destruction takes place. Baba will not get blame". In the beginning, there was beggary part to filter BKs. Out of 400, just 70 survived. So even now, this may be a drama plan for BKs to divert their mind from truth. Today, we have Vishnu Party. I became aware of this just two weeks back when I saw this forum].

You people are not at all remembered by most of the BKs usually. In some occassions when you come and disturb in BK programs, BKs might have taken action. If you have power, let somebody come from you who is kaam jeet. You say your Shankar is kaam-jeet since 1976 itself. Then after so much years of study, his company, how many souls in your side have become kaam jeet. If there is somebody from your side, I can definitely show somebody from BK side.

Further, in the Gita it is written that "Kaam Mahaashatru hai" (Lust is the biggest enemy). You say you have the true Gita and the BK's geita is not real Gita or they cannot interpret it (Murli) correctly. Then how many of you have conquered lust?

Drama has not made Sri Ram or Shankar as the Gita Sermonizer. So it implies that it is Sri Krishna, that is Brahma Baba, is really next to God. Hence I think there is no essence in teachings of so called PBKs or Shankar party.

But mbbhat soul had four points (one year before) in Murli and Ladder picture that was favouring somebody different than BKs (say PBKs) and not fully clear. Later around six months before he got cleared two points from Murli. But still one or two points to be cleared.

Dear mbbhat Bhai,

Omshanti. It is nice to know that BKs are coming forward to participate in the discussions. But instead of writing lengthy posts it would be better if you give pointwise replies. Since my internet connection is not working since yesterday, I would reply to your posts later on.

Regards,
OGS,
Arjun

Dear Ajrun Soul,

Take your own time. I am not in hurry. I have mentioned many relevant points using Murli as well as thinking logically.

All the best.

Mbhat,

Not sure about your posts and the accuracy. Virendra Dev Dixit declaring himself as Shankar ... I have not seen this.

Who cares if the Murli's run daily they are read in a false manner. Revised according to the organizations own agenda. I have not seen any evidence on this board that PBKs consider themselves Brothers only. If BKs consider everyone as Brothers, then what about the Sisters then?

Website as advertisement? Are you kidding me? I think addresses and names are used to prevent clowns from the BK movement trying and preventing them from exposing their false doctrines anyone whether PBK or anyone else is a threat to the false evil empire.

Nothing personal mhbhat you seem like a nice person but those clowns your protecting will one day come back to bite you. Save your soul and stay away from those Sister worshippers.

Why do the BK's talk about the importance of the household path where is the proof of this after all these years? I am talking about a physical male and female couple.

The websites are not "official" as such. They are run by followers. The Brahma Kumaris also call the rest of the world "unself-realised, ignorant, Shudras", Kaurava devils, storks and so on ...

Just out of interest, what direct experience of the PBKs have you had mbbhat? Have you ever spoken to any in personal?

Dear Global and ex-l soul,

1) PBKs say that they are Brothers because even the existing bodies of females in PBKs will turn into male. *BKs consider all males because they say to forget body and consider soul only.
2) I have met PBKs. I have seen one VCD* of Virendra Dixit's. You can check with PBKs. According to them, their Virendra Dev Dixit is Prajapita, Ram and Shankar and great great grandfather, Bharat, bhaagyashaali rath.
3) I am not kidding you Mr Global Soul. What I mean is, the PBKs say "service activities of BKs are like advertising. We do not believe in advertising".

Visit their website and you can see. Now my question is, is not a website advertisement?

Mbbhat

It is nice that you have done your research and put thought into what you write. I may not agree with all you put, but I respect your effort. I just wish more BKs would use their intelligence more, rather than giving knee jerk reactions to anyone who questions them. Especially those who have done strong research.