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suryavanshi

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ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post15 Mar 2008

Some Murli points about ShivBaba and Prajapita

1) "Abh Prajapita aur Shiv dono hi Baap thehre. Baap toh mataa dwaaraa adopt karenge na. Tab Brahma ko khud kahtein hain tum humaaraa bacchaa bhi hon, banni bhi hon". mu 11/12/2001 (Now, Prajapita and Shiv both are Fathers. Father will adopt through mother no. Then, Himself says to Brahma that you are child also, wife also).

2) "ShivBaba aur Prajapita Brahma - Aatmaaon kaa baap aur sabh manushya maatra kaa baap. Yah point bahoot acchi hain samjhaane ki, parantu bacche poori riti samjhatein nahi hain". mu 8/1/1995 ( ShivBaba and Prajapita Brahma -- Father of souls and Father of all human beings. This point is very good to understand, but children do not make them understand completely).


So, here ShivBaba and Prajapita are referred to be the two fathers. One is the Father of all souls and other is the Father of all human beings.

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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post16 Mar 2008

suryavanshi wrote:Some Murli points about ShivBaba and Prajapita

1) "Abh Prajapita aur Shiv dono hi Baap thehre. Baap toh mataa dwaaraa adopt karenge na. Tab Brahma ko khud kahtein hain tum humaaraa bacchaa bhi hon, banni bhi hon". mu 11/12/2001 (Now, Prajapita and Shiv both are Fathers. Father will adopt through mother no. Then, Himself says to Brahma that you are child also, wife also).

Dear suryavanshi Bhai.

Please clarify who is this Brahma who is child also and wife of ShivBaba; is it Ram's soul or is it Krishna's soul in Virendra Dev Dixit???

shivsena.

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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post16 Mar 2008

Dear Shivesena Bhai,

No where in the Murli, it is said that Brahma (soul of Krishna) is the Father of all human beings but there are many points in the Murli which say that prajapita (soul of Ram) is the Father of all human beings. Instead it is repeatedly said for Brahma (soul of Krishna) that He is the child, He is the wife and He is the big mother or Jagdamba.

Prajapita jagat kaa baap huaa na" mu dated 22/5/1965

The above Murli point in addition to the previous one (i.e. ShivBaba aur Prajapita Brahma - Aatmaaon kaa baap aur sabh manushya maatra kaa baap. mu 8/1/1995) clearly say that Prajapita is the Father of all human beings.

Is there any Murli point which says that Prajapita is the child or wife of ShivBaba or mother of all human beings ?

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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post17 Mar 2008

Dear suryavanshi Bhai.

I had asked you a very specific query about Brahma, but you are just beating about the bush just like andrey(not being to the point and precise).
You had written that Brahma is wife and child and i have asked you who is this soul Brahma?? Is it Ram or is it Krishna in the body of Virendra Dev Dixit???
please go through your own post again and answer to the point in one sentence.

shivsena.

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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post17 Mar 2008

Shivsena wrote:You had written that Brahma is wife and child and i have asked you who is this soul Brahma?? is it Ram or is it Krishna in the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit???

It is Krishna in body of Virendra Dev Dixit

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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post17 Mar 2008

suryavanshi wrote:it is Krishna in body of Veerendra Dev Dixit

Dear suryavanshi,
Thanks for your answer.
If Krishna is wife and child of bindishivbaba in Virendra Dev Dixit, then please tell me what is the role of Ram and what is the relation of Ram with Shiva.
shivsena.

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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post17 Mar 2008

what is the role of Ram and what is the relation of Ram with Shiva?

Role of Ram is to remember Shiv as much as possible and Ram is the child of Shiv or in other words, Shiv is the Father of Ram.

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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post18 Mar 2008

"Adi Dev kaa barobar mandir bhi hain. Adi Dev kiskaa bachaa hain? Koi bataaye. Oonkaa baap kaun thaa ? Adi Dev Prajapita Brahma Hain, Oonkaa baap hain Shiv."
mu. dated 2/10/1998

So, Father of Prajapita is Shiv or Prajapita is the child of Shiv.

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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post18 Mar 2008

Dear suryavanshi Bhai.

Can you please give your views about who is gyan-surya; who is gyan-chandrama and who are gyan-sitare.

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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post18 Mar 2008

Dear Brother,

Gyan Surya = ShivBaba

Gyan Chandrama = Soul of Brahma = Soul of Krishna

Gyan Sitaare = First 9 lac 16,108 deity souls of "adi Satyug" or "adi swarg " or "Sangamyugi swarg".

Out of 9 lac 16,108 highest deity souls( Gyan Sitaare), only one star is "dhruv taaraa" or the star who does not change his position (i.e.Soul of Ram).

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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post18 Mar 2008

suryavanshi wrote:Gyan Surya = ShivBaba
Gyan Chandrama = Soul of Brahma = Soul of Krishna
Gyan Sitaare = First 9 lac 16,108 deity souls of "adi Satyug" or "adi swarg " or "Sangamyugi swarg"
Out of 9 lakh 16,108 highest deity souls (Gyan Sitaare), only one star is "dhruv taaraa" or the star who does not change his position (i.e.Soul of Ram).

Dear arjun Bhai.
Do you agree with the manthan of suryavanshi Bhai about gyan-surya, gyan-chandrama and gyan-sitare?
Is this the teaching of Advanced Knowledge or there are many other PBK views each different from the other.
Please give your views as per Advanced Knowledge.
shivsena.
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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post19 Mar 2008

shivsena wrote:Do you agree with the manthan of suryavanshi Bhai about Gyan-surya, Gyan-chandrama and Gyan-sitare?
Is this the teaching of Advanced Knowledge or there are many other PBK views each different from the other.
Please give your views as per Advanced Knowledge.

Dear Brother,
Omshanti. Suryavanshi Bhai has mentioned ShivBaba as Gyaan Soorya (Sun of Knowledge), but I doubt if it is ShivBaba or just the soul of Ram because the incorporeal Shiv cannot be compared with anyone. It is the human souls who can be compared with each other as Sun, Moon or Stars.

As regards Gyaan Chandrama (Moon of knowledge), his mention about the soul of Krishna is correct, but some PBKs may view the soul of Jagdamba as Gyaan Chandrama.

As regards the Gyaan Sitaarey (Stars of knowledge), his mention about the 9, 16,108 souls is correct, but half of them will be with their bodies (seed-form souls/PBKs) and half of the souls (root-form souls/BKs) without their own bodies, but will be present in the former half.

As regards the Dhruv Tara (Pole Star) that is a different comparison (comparison between all the star-like human souls) and not to be included in this comparison between Sun, Moon and Stars.
Regards,
OGS,
Arjun

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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post19 Mar 2008

Dear suryavanshi Bhai.
According to you Ram is the child of Shiva and Krishna is the child and wife of Shiva. Now please tell me who is the elder child (badaa Bhai) out of the two and who is being taught RajYoga by Shiva? Also please clarify how Shiva is using the body of Virendra Dev Dixit to create the mouth born children PBKs(prajapita mukh-vanshavali)?

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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post20 Mar 2008

I doubt if it is ShivBaba or just the soul of Ram

Is Soul of Ram "Suryavanshi"(belonging to Sun Dynasty) or "Surya" himself ? For example, there is a difference between Raja(King) arjun and Raghuvanshis. All those who are staunch followers of arjun are called Raghuvanshis and Raja arjun himself is not called as Raghuvanshi but His descendants are called Raghuvanshis. Similarly, all the numberwise followers of Gyan Surya ( ShivBaba ) are also called Suryavanshis and Soul of Ram is the number one "Suryavanshi" or number one follower of Gyan Surya(ShivBaba).

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Re: ShivBaba and Prajapita

Post20 Mar 2008

Raja(King) arjun

it is " Raja(King) arjun"
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