Dear Brother shivsena,
This one Ram that you say is Bap, ShivBaba and Bhagawan, which one Ram are you pointing to?
Is this Ram that you talk about - is he the Father of all the souls, the Supreme Father, this Father that there is no Father of his. Is he ShivBaba and Bhagwan always?
There is this one Father that is the Father of all the souls. No one is Father - no one is elder to him. All the rest souls are Brothers amongs themselves. You talk of which Ram?
You think everything is written in the Murli, but in the Murli itself it is written that "no one can attain me through study, but i come and introduce myself."
The same way we can deny everything that is said in the Murli, but goes against the scriptures (if we are believers of scriptures), because it is not written there in the scriptures. There will be no chance to learn anything new that way if we don't think about what we hear as new information. You can say scriptures are man-made, but Murli are direct words of God, but still they will be said words of a human, because of the media. Because the soul of Krisha is not and does not become God. But someone else can even become.
It is different that when we find we don't want to listen to anything else. So if you are content the sign will be that you won't have questions. If you have means you have to learn more. If you think you will be able to solve your questions on your own and there is no need for new knowledge, then this way we could do even in the past. We could have had the query of knowledge to solve still from the beginning and there would be no use of the Supreme Father coming and narrating knowledge and explaining etc, but if you think that he will come in future then it means different situation.
You say he will speak when ... you decide for him when it is appropriate. OK, but one query remains - where did you get your insight from? We all here learn knowledge in normal way and discuss what we have learned based on logic etc. There is nothing suprestitious in this. Even if it is not written in the Murli, still an idea deserves thinking about.
If, e.g., you say that you have not heard, read something etc, etc, it does not mean it is not true. If you had already heard the truth then you would be able to tell us also where did you hear it from, or did you invented it yourself. The question is will you hear the truth and then tell it, or will you tell it yourself based on your own deductions, means you have become "Shivohum"?
It is said that "when i came i speak new knowledge that is not available anywhere". For this we can decide ourselves with our intellect. And this knowledge is given orally. Godly knowledge is contained in God who is a soul and not in a book. Book is not God. So who is this soul that is God and where is he now.
If you agree souls are all Brothers amongst themselves incl. Ram, Krishna, (leaving Supreme Father aside for he is different all the time) - then amongst all the Brother souls - there will be one soul who will play the highest role. Who is this? This soul is Supreme Soul -supreme amongst all the souls - Brothers.
So who is this Supreme Soul - Ram or Krishna? If he is Ram then this is fine, for him it is said that he is Father also, rest Krishna is child. If Krishna were Dada - elder amongst the Brother souls - he would have to be elder to Ram which does not seem correct. Elder means elder in knowledge that no one gives knowledge to the eldest one and he gives knowldge to others.
This way Krishna is both ways child. Will he be elder Brother to souls that will be his parents? Even His parents are not the eldest for they too take The Knowledge from the Supreme Father - God, who is God forever. This one is God in the true sense. And no one else can become God. Do you speak for this one? One can become like God, but even this is not our aim. So you should make clear whom are you talking about and not just quote like that but make clear what you mean and we have to tally The Knowledge between itself, to make it clear, e.g., i can say in Murli it is said that "I am the Supreme Father" What does this mean. Does it mean "I am the Surpeme Father"?
Please, answer precisely and on the point.
Which Ram do you talk about describe him. Is God a soul or a stage? Which are the restrictions for God to speak knowledge regarding timing and stage of the soul of the body he enters. Why? Who created these restrictions? When? When, where have they been mentioned - by whom? Why should Krishna soul become bodyconscious and why only 108 learn Rajayoga. Why should we believe these when they are not in the Murli and why not believe other things that too are not in the Murli? Even if the Advanced Knowledge comes from the soul of Krishna still you should persuade us why should we believe you more than this Mayavi Krisha, means in what way you are superior to this souls of Krishan so that The Knowledge you give is superior.
Is there one Father to all souls? Are all souls Brothers amongs themselves? Which soul amongst the Brothers is the biggest Brother?
Dear Brother new world
The difference between ShivBaba and BapDada is that ShivBaba is one soul and BapDada are two souls.
Sakar means the stage that the media is in "sakari" stage. When he attains Avyakt stage, it is used "Avyakt". Sakar means corporeal and Avyakt means one that cannot be seen.
18 Nov 2007
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