Posted: 25 Nov 2007
john wrote:When that good BK Sister posts Murlis, then we can check them
The relevant point is posted in the concurrent thread "Of general interest"
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john wrote:When that good BK Sister posts Murlis, then we can check them
pbkdivya wrote:Here is the Murli quote which you have requested. Murli dated 10/2/72 ----- "God is one. It is said that his child also is one. Among the three deities of Trimurthi, Shankar is the eldest."
arjun wrote:Om Shanti. As per the Advanced Knowledge Shankar is not always referred or explained as a combination of three souls, but also referred as a single soul, i.e. the soul of Ram, especially when referring to Shankar as one of the personalities in the Trimurti or when giving clarification of Shiv-Shankar.
arjun wrote:I meant to say:
Shiv=Incorporeal Ram.
Shankar=Confluence-Aged Ram, who is also Prajapita and Bharat.
I did not mean to say that Shiv=Ram=Prajapita=Bharat, as you are inferring.
arjun wrote:Omshanti. The meaning of Shankar=Prajapita is that the soul is the same, but the two parts are played at different times and not at the same time. Confluence-Aged Ram becomes equal to Shiv at the end of the Confluence Age, but he is not Shiv.
Shivsena wrote:Can you please elaborate which are the times the roles of Shankar and Prajapita are played by the same soul?
If you say that Ram becomes equal to Shiv in the end, then all the titles of bindishivbaba would automatically get conferred on Ramshivbaba; is it not!!
shivsena wrote:Let me remind you, that according to Advanced Knowledge Shankar is not Ram's soul, but a mixed part of 3 souls (Shiv+Ram+Krishna) in the same body, so Shankar cannot be an elder Brother. As regards Shankar is eldest among the three Deities, it means that the stage of Shankar is the highest amongst the Trimurti (Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar). Also it is said in Murlis that "Shankar is not Prajapita", (but PBKs insist on seeing Ram=Shankar=Prajapita)
arjun wrote:I cannot specify any time limit, but I suppose when the incorporeal Ram gets revealed to the world through the Confluence-Aged Ram, he would start playing the role of Prajapita.
shivsena wrote:So you agree that only when Ram=Shiv, then the role of Prajapita will start. So which role is going on now; is it not Krishna(Brahma) who is playing the lead role during Brahma ki raat in Advance Party.
arjun wrote:I don't see the soul of Krishna in the body of Shankar. So, for me it is the Supreme Father Shiv who is playing the lead role through the body of Shankar (Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit).
shivsena wrote:That is really fantastic; when you do not see Krishna in the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit, then it ends all discussion. BTW when you did the Advance Course, were you not taught that Krishna is also playing a part in the body of Veerendra Dev Dixit? And when you give the Advance Course to others, do you teach other souls the same thing as you believe?
arjun wrote: I wrote that I do not see Krishna in the body of Shankar because according to ShivBaba I am not going to gain anything by seeing either the soul of Ram or Krishna in the body of Shankar. Nevertheless I have full regard for them, just I have regard for your churning capabilities.