Questions for PBKs

There is a clear message in the above Vani that both Bap(Ram) and Dada(Krishna) became combined soon after the demise of Lekhraj Kirpalani; so i do not understand, how it is only Ram's soul, considered as Father of humanity (Prajapita), did the 7 days basic course in paldi seva kendra from the child Vedanti. Did BapDada combined did the 7 days course ???????

When the soul of Ram himself did not realize that he was going to play the part of the Father of humanity (Prajapita) from 1969-1976 when he was a BK, then how could the soul of Krishna have realized that he is combined with the 'Baap' (Prajapita) at that time? I suppose the Vani point applies to the period from 1976 onwards.
Regards,
OGS,
Arjun

Dear arjun Bhai, Advanced Knowledge state that Baba Virendra Dev Dixit (intellectually) achieved the status of the Confluence Aged Narayan in 1976 (after 10 years from 1966) & then, in 1988-89, he achieved the status of the Confluence Aged Krishna. How is it possible that his Narayan stage preceded his Krishna stage? Murli quotes as 'from Krishna to Narayan' & not as 'from Narayan to Krishna'.

Dear arjun Bhai, Advanced Knowledge state that Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit (intellectually) achieved the status of the Confluence Aged Narayan in 1976 (after 10 years from 1966) & then, in 1988-89, he achieved the status of the Confluence Aged Krishna. How is it possible that his Narayan stage preceded his Krishna stage? Murli quotes as 'from Krishna to Narayan' & not as 'from Narayan to Krishna'.

I don't think advanced knowledge says that he achieved the status of Confluence-Aged Narayan in 1976, but some PBKs realized that he is going to get revealed as Confluence-Aged Narayan in future.

Dear arjun Bhai.

One of the first centers opened in Ahmedabad was the paldi center, which was opened by the temporary Chariot Brahmababa( with his own capital, as per the Advanced Knowledge course) and this was the same center where the permanent Chariot Virendra Dev Dixit(Ram's soul) was given the introductory Godly knowledge by Sister Vedanti.

Now my dillemma is why such a center, which has been associated with Brahmababa(Krishna), Virendra Dev Dixit(Ram's soul) and the future third murti Vedanti (representing Vishnu), has to close down due to some petty politics played by the senior BKs(as per Advanced Knowledge) and all the other centers opened after that are still surviving and flourishing.

Don't you think that the paldi seed center should have been an example for other centers for service of Godly knowledge.

Can you please share your views regarding the above.

shivsena.

Dear arjun Bhai.

Who is adi-purush and who is param-purush ??

Can you please share your views.

shivsena.

Now my dillemma is why such a center, which has been associated with Brahmababa (Krishna), Veerendra Dev Dixit (Ram's soul) and the future third murti Vedanti (representing Vishnu), has to close down due to some petty politics played by the senior BKs (as per Advanced Knowledge) and all the other centers opened after that are still surviving and flourishing.

Just as the Somnath temple was plundered and looted by Muslim invader Ghazni more than thousand years ago, similarly the souls with sanskars of Muslim religion were successful in closing down that center. It is possible that the above Paladi Center may be revived in future or may be the triad (gathering) of Brahma, Vishnu and Shankar itself is the Paladi Center in an unlimited sense. Anyways it is a good question to be put to ShivBaba (through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit).

Who is adi-purush and who is param-purush ??

I suppose Prajapita is the Aadi Purush (the first man) and the Supreme Father incorporeal Shiv is the Param Purush (the Supreme being).

Dear arjun Bhai.

Thanks for your views.

I thought that shivbindi is only Parampita ie Father of bindi souls souls only; Can shivbindi be called param-purush??? In many of the earlier cassettes, the word ''Parampita Paramatma" was described as Param pita Shiva + param atma Ram (meaning one who plays param part out of 7 billion souls), so i was wondering when Ram(in 100% nirakari stage) is combined with Shiv, He becomes personified parampita paramatma, and when he has not attained nirakari stage, then does He become prajapita; Is this what the Advanced Knowledge teaches!! (Does the role change according to the stage??) ;this is what i am not able to understand.

What i feel is : when Ram becomes 100% nirakari he becomes param-purush(Supreme Soul out of 7 billion souls) and Krishna becomes 100% sakaari through the same body and becomes adi-purush Brahma (badi Maa) and hence it is said in Murlis that ''Bap(Ram) hota hai nirakari aur mataa(Krishna) hoti hai sakaari ".

shivsena.

According to PBKs, they go to heaven with the PRESENT BODY. They believe that the(ir) present body does not get destroyed and that itself gets purified. Then can any PBK explain the following Murli points? [Translations are approximate].

1) 21-12-99(3):- tum jaante ho ham bhaarat ko swarg banaa rahe hain. Tumhaara is deh se koyi mamatv nahee. Ham atma is shareer ko CHOD swarg meim jaakar NAYAA shareer lenge. Vahaan bhee samajhte hain ek puraanaa shareer CHOD jaaye NAYAA lenge. Vahaan koyi dukh vaa shok naheen hotaa. Nayaa shareer le to acchhaa hee hai.

“You know that we are making Bharat into into heaven. You have no attachment with this body. We soul/s LEAVE this body and take NEW body in heaven. Even there also we think/know- We leave one body and take another. There is no sorrow or pain. It is GOOD to take NEW body”

2) 29-7-99(3):- ab tum nayee duniyaa ke ban rahe ho. Phir yah puraanaa chola CHOD jaanaa hai.

“You are now becoming ready for new world. Then you have to leave this OLD CHOLA(Body) and go.”

Bap (Ram) hota hai nirakari aur mataa (Krishna) hoti hai sakaari ".

Dear Souls,

cannot the above be like this- " Bap (Shiv) hota hai nirakari and maataa (Brahma) hota hai Sakari"?

Dear Mbbhat.

Logic suggests that some have to be left to be the parents of the Golden Aged children. Therefore would they not be in the Golden Age in their present bodies?

that some have to be left to be the parents of the Golden Aged children.... ?

Dear John soul,
That logic is OK.

But PBKs say- in the end, there will be 2.25 lakh PBKs. Their physical bodies- whether old, handicapped, black, will get changed into deity bodies. Not only that- even the female body will turn into male body. This is not present in Murlis. These are their advance points.

they also say- In the end 2.25 lakh BK souls will get faith in PBK philosophy and they will join PBKs. These 2.25 souls' bodies will turn into female (Even the male BKs' bodies also). These 4.5 souls are the highest souls. These 4.5 souls will live to the full age(say- 150 years or a little more)

According to PBKs, they go to heaven with the PRESENT BODY. They believe that the(ir) present body does not get destroyed and that itself gets purified. Then can any PBK explain the following Murli points? [Translations are approximate].

“You know that we are making Bharat into into heaven. You have no attachment with this body. We soul/s LEAVE this body and take NEW body in heaven. Even there also we think/know- We leave one body and take another. There is no sorrow or pain. It is GOOD to take NEW body”

Yes, you are correct that PBKs believe that they will go to heaven with the present body which will get rejuvenated after the destruction. But as regards the above Murli point, it does not mean leaving body in a physical sense. It means leaving the body consciousness while being alive, while being in the present body. Those who completely die from bodyconsciousness in the Confluence Age will be able to rejuvenate their bodies.

But PBKs say- in the end, there will be 2.25 lakh PBKs. Their physical bodies- whether old, handicapped, black, will get changed into deity bodies. Not only that- even the female body will turn into male body. This is not present in Murlis. These are their advance points.
they also say- In the end 2.25 lakh BK souls will get faith in PBK philosophy and they will join PBKs. These 2.25 souls' bodies will turn into female (Even the male BKs' bodies also). These 4.5 souls are the highest souls.

You are correct. But this requires faith. ShivBaba told hundreds of times through Brahma Baba that you have to see heaven practically through these eyes. He also said that He will guide us till the end. But Brahma Baba himself did not have complete faith in the Godly versions and left his body due to heart attack. So, all those who think that Brahma Baba is the highest effortmaker on this Earth will also have to meet the same fate, i.e. they will have to leave their bodies.

As regards transformation of bodies and change of sex in the end, I cannot prove it now (although there are exceptional cases reported in the media every now and then), but I think you yourself quoted a senior BK teacher (or Dadi's) experience who did not believe ShivBaba's words when Brahma Baba was alive and later repented when those words came true.

I request you to kindly see the Murli point quoted in the BK Section today. It says that Baba will keep narrating deeper points day by day till the end. Can you say with confidence that this is happening in the BKWSU where the same stock of 5 years Murlis (that too edited and manipulated ones) are revised every five years and the number of Avyakt Vanis being narrated every year has been decreasing over the years (anyways half of the year there are no AVs). Then where is Baba narrating deeper points day by day till the end?
Regards,
OGS,
Arjun

So, all those who think that Brahma Baba is the highest effortmaker on this Earth will also have to meet the same fate, i.e. they will have to leave their bodies. Arjun

So- dear Arjun soul,

Do you say all those who believe in PBK philosophy will not die? Are you sure that you will not die?

Do you say- all those who believe in PBK philosophy will not die? Are you aure that you will not die?

No. That does not mean that PBKs will not leave their bodies. Ultimately everyone has to leave the body whether someone (4.5 lakh) leaves his/her body without its rejuvenation and whether someone (4.5 lakh) leaves his/her body after rejuvenation (and after giving birth do deities).

Even in case of PBKs (i.e. 2.25 lakh, who rejuvenate their bodies and give birth to deities) it has been said by ShivBaba (through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) that all those who have sanskars of Bhakti will have to leave their bodies, but since they have faith in their intellect that they will become deities through the same birth, they take rebirth, become PBKs once again and then their bodies will get rejuvenated.

Suppose there is a PBK 'X' and he has a sanskar of Bhakti at present and suppose he leaves his body in 2010. He will not remain with a subtle body like Brahma Baba or other senior Dadis who have left their bodies. Since PBK 'X' has throughout his PBK life believed that his body will be rejuvenated, his soul would take rebirth and become a PBK 'Y' once again and that body will be rejuvenated. PBK 'Y' would be included among the 2.25 lakh PBKs (Rudramala) who rejuvenate their bodies and coupled with 2.25 lakh BKs (vijaymala) give birth to 4.5 lakh deity children.

Regards,
OGS,
Arjun

Dear Arjun Soul,

So, you mean to say, Brahmababa is out of both rudramala and vijayamala?

Suppose there is a PBK 'X' and he has a sanskar of Bhakti at present and suppose he leaves his body in 2010. He will not remain with a subtle body like Brahma Baba or other senior Dadis who have left their bodies. Since PBK 'X' has throughout his PBK life believed that his body will be rejuvenated, his soul would take rebirth and become a PBK 'Y' once again and that body will be rejuvenated. Arjun

Suppose say, the final bell is 2018 (I think this is what you say). The PBK X dies in 2015 and takes birth as Y. Then he will be a small child. Do you think the small child (Y) will be able to realize Gyan and become PBK Y?

*BB has not forgotten knowledge till now, since he has not got new body. Do not you think if a person gets birth, at least for sometime, til his organs are developed to understand Gyan?

*Anyhow, when bodies of PBKs are rejuvenated, they will not have Gyan. Then what is the loss/profit in being in subtle body (like BB), die and get birth in a different body (deity souls), or PBKs?

Suppose say- The final bell is 2018(I think this is what you say). The PBK X dies in 2015 and takes birth as Y. Then he will be a small child. Do you think the small child (Y) will be able to realize Gyan and become PBK Y?

No. The final bell is not 2018. When it has been said in the Murlis that the maximum duration of the Confluence Age is 100 years, how can the final bell be 2018.

Anyways, even if a PBK is a small child at the time of final bell, it is not he/she will immediately give birth to a deity child. The body has to grow to a certain age of reproduction. All the first 4.5 lakh deity children will not be born at the same time. Those who give birth will also be rejuvenated at different points of time and they will give birth to deity-children at different points of time.

As regards small children understanding The Knowledge, when 3-4 year old children of this Iron Age can operate computers, cannot those children even realize that their God Father has come?