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Re: Points for churning

Post16 Sep 2008

Murli Pt.No.86 (Shrinath and Jagannath)

"Toh Baap kahtey hain-bachhey, achhi reeti purushaarth karo. Daivi gun dhaaran karo. Bhal khaao, piyo, Shrinath dwaarey may jaao. Vahaan ghee kay maal dher miltey hain, ghee kay kuaen hee baney huay hain. Khaatey fir kaun hain? Pujaari. Shrinath aur Jagannath dono ko kaala banaaya hai. Jagannath kay mandir may devataon kay gandey chitra hain, vahaan chaaval ka haanda banaatey hain. Vah pak jaaney say 4 bhaag ho jaatey hain. Sirf chaaval ka hee Bhog lagtaa hai kyonki abhi saadhaaran hain na. Is taraf gareeb aur us taraf saahookaar. Abhi toh dekho kitney gareeb hain. Khaaney-peeney ko kuch nahee miltaa hai. Satyug may toh sab kuch hai." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 27.12.05, page 2)

“So Father says - Children, make efforts nicely. Imbibe divine virtues. You may eat, drink, and visit Shrinath Dwarey. Lots of dishes prepared from ghee are available there. There are wells of ghee (i.e. ghee is in abundance). But who eats it? The pujaaris (priests). Both Shrinath and Jagannath have been depicted as dark skinned. In the temple of Jagannath there are obscene pictures of deities. Big haandaa (a huge container/vessel) of rice is prepared. When it gets cooked, it gets divided into four portions. Only rice is offered (to the presiding deity) there because now He is ordinary, is not it? On this side are the poor people and on that side are the prosperous ones. Look, now they are so poor. They do not get anything to eat. In the Golden Age everything is available.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 27.12.05, page 2 published by BKs)

- Baba tells that the temples etc. of the path of worship are the reminders of Confluence Age only. In this way, the temples of Shrinath (a temple dedicated to Shri Krishna situated in Western India famous for its rich worshippers and luxurious offerings) and Jagannath (a temple dedicated to Shri Krishna situated in Eastern India famous for its largely poor worshippers and simple offerings) should also be present in the world of us Brahmins only, is not it? Keeping in view the luxurious treatment given to Brahmin children at the Madhuban situated in Mt. Abu from the beginning of the Yagya till date, there is no doubt that it is a reminder of the Shrinath temple and the part played by Brahma Baba is the reminder of majestic idol of Shrinath. In comparison to this, is the mini-Madhubans situated at Kampil, Farrukhabad (mentioned in the Murlis), where the life style is very simple and where the portions of rice-like souls of four main religions within the Brahmin family get revealed on the basis of their sanskars, a reminder of the Jagannath temple and the part of ShivBaba that has been revealed since 1976 a reminder of the simple wooden idol of Jagannath?
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Re: Points for churning

Post29 Sep 2008

Murli Pt.No. 87 (GOING TO HEAVEN PRACTICALLY)

"Tum samajh saktey ho Satyug may sukh hee sukh hai. Practical may sab sukh tab paayengey jab vahaan jaayengey. Vah toh tum hee jaano, swarga may kya hoga? Ek shareeer chod fir kahaan jaayengey? Abhi tumhey practical may Baap padhaa rahey hain. Tum jaantey ho ham sach-sach swarg may jaayengey. Vah toh kah detey ham swarg may jaatey hain, pataa bhi nahee hai swarg kisko kahaa jaata hai. Janma-janmaantar yah agyaan kee baatein suntey aaye, abhi Baap tumko satya baatein sunaatey hain." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 10.01.06, page 4)

“You can understand that there are only pleasures in Golden Age. We will get these pleasures practically when we go there. Only you can know that what will be there in heaven? After leaving one body where will you go? Now Father is teaching us practically. You know that we will really go to heaven. They say that we are going to heaven, but they don't even know what is meant by heaven? You have been hearing these matters of ignorance since many births. Now Father is narrating to you the true matters.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 10.01.06, page 4 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling that We will get these pleasures practically when we go there and that You know that we will really go to heaven. But BKs say that we will study in this birth and go to heaven in the next birth. Once someone leaves his/her body, how can they know whether he/she has gone to heaven or not? Is Baba not talking about getting transformed from human beings to deities in this birth itself?
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Post10 Oct 2008

Murli Pt. No.88. (ShivBaba NOT IN Soul World)

"Yah toh nischchay hai na-is bhrikuti kay beech may Baap ka nivaas-sthaan hai. Baap khud kahtey hain mai inki bhrikuti kay beech may baithata hoon....Brahma hai toh ShivBaba bhi hai. Brahma nahee ho toh ShivBaba bolengey kaisey? Oopar may ShivBaba ko toh sadaiv Yaad kartey aaye. Ab tum bachhon ko pataa hai ham Baap kay paas yahaan baithey hain. Aisey nahee ki ShivBaba oopar may hai. Unki pratima yahaan pooji jaati hai. Yah baatein bahut samajhney kee hain. Tum toh jaantey ho Baap gyaan ka saagar hai. Gyaan kahaan say sunaatey hain? Kya oopar say sunaatey hain? Yahaan neechey aaya hai. Brahma tan say sunaatey hain. Kayee kahtey hain ham Brahma ko nahee maantey. Parantu ShivBaba khud kahtey hain Brahma tan dwara ki mujhey Yaad karo.....Manushya pukaartey bhi hain O God Father. Fir vah God Father sunta hai kya? Unko kahtey hain na liberator aao ya vahaan baithey liberate karengey? Kalpa-kalpa Purushottam Sangamyug par hee Baap aatey hain, jismay aatey hain unko hee agar udaa dein toh kya kahengey. Numberone tamopradhaan.....Ab tum ho minority, vah hai majority. Toh tumko kaun maanega? Jab tumhaari vriddhi ho jaayegi, fir tumhaarey yogbal say bahut kheenchkar aayengey." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 11.01.06, page 1 & 2)

“You have this faith that - Father resides in the middle of this forehead. Father Himself says that I sit in the middle of his forehead. ... If Brahma is there, then ShivBaba is also there. If Brahma is not there, then how will ShivBaba speak? We have always been remembering ShivBaba considering Him to be residing above. Now you children know that we are sitting here with Father. It is not true that ShivBaba is residing above. His idol is worshipped here. These matters are to be understood a lot. You know that Father is an ocean of knowledge. From where does He narrate knowledge? Does He narrate from above? He has come down here. He narrates through the body of Brahma. Many people say that we don't have faith in Brahma. But ShivBaba Himself says through the body of Brahma that ‘Remember me.’ ... Human beings even call, ‘O God Father.’ Then, does that God Father listen? He is called saying, ‘O Liberator, come,’ or will He liberate us while sitting there? Father comes only in the Purushottam Sangamyug (Elevated Confluence Age) of every Kalpa. If someone removes (i.e. neglects) that person itself, in whom He enters then what will he be called! Number one degraded. ... Now you are in minority. They are in majority. So who will accept you? When you increase in numbers, then many will come attracted by your power of Yoga.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 11.01.06, page 1 & 2 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling, “It is not true that ShivBaba is residing above” and “He has come down here. He narrates through the body of Brahma.” But the BKs say that ShivBaba has returned to the Soul World in 1969 and comes in the body of Gulzar Dadiji occassionally to meet his children.
- Baba is telling, “ShivBaba Himself says through the body of Brahma that ‘remember me.’ ” But it is taught in the BK Ashrams that ShivBaba should be remembered in the Soul World. Therefore, if ShivBaba is to be remembered through the body of Brahma here, then where is that Brahma? Brahma Baba has left his body and Gulzar Dadiji is not called Brahma.
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