Points for churning

Murli Pt. No.15 – Entry of Father into an ordinary body - Prajapita Brahma is also definitely required here

· "Baap kahtey hain, mai saadhaaran tan may aata hoon. Prajapita Brahma bhi jaroor yahaan chaahiye. Un bigar kaam kaisey chal sakta. Aur jaroor bujurg hee chaahiye kyunki adopted hai na. Toh bujurg chaahiye." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 19.7.05, page 1)

· "Father says that I come in an ordinary body. Prajapita Brahma is also definitely required here. How can the task be accomplished without him? And certainly an elderly person is required because he is adopted, is not it? So an elderly person is required." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 19.07.05, page 1 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

- BKs say that Prajapita is in the Subtle Region, while Baba is telling above that Prajapita Brahma is also definitely required here. Then where is Prajapita Brahma?
- Father says that I come in an ordinary body. But Dada Lekhraj Brahma's body was an extraordinary personality. So did Supreme Father Shiv play only the role of mother through Brahma or the role of Father also? If he played the role of Father also then children should also have obtained an inheritance of 100% peace, prosperity and happiness.

Murli Pt.No.16 - From Nar to Narayan – The story of True Narayan

"Hum ab us duniya may jaatey hain, tab toh bachhey kahtey hain, hum nar say Narayan bantey hain. Katha bhi hum Satya Narayan kee suntey hain. Prince ban-ney ki katha nahi kahtey. Satya Narayan kee katha hai. Vah Narayan ko alag samajhtey hain. Parantu Narayan kee koi jeevan kahaani toh hai nahi." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 19.7.05, page 2)

"Now we go to that world. Only then do the children say we get transformed from a man to Narayan. It is also a story of True Narayan that we hear. It is not said to be a story of becoming a prince. It is a story of True Narayan. They consider Narayan to be different. But there is no life story of Narayan." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 19.07.05, page 2 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

- Baba is giving us the aim of getting transformed from a man to Narayan and not a prince. But Dada Lekhraj Brahma has left his body and will become only a prince Shri Krishna in the next birth and then grow up to assume the title of his Father, i.e. Narayan? So is there any other person who gets transformed directly from a man to Narayan?

- Baba is telling that children are listening to the story of True Narayan. Then He says that there is no life story of Narayan. Are ‘True Narayan’ and ‘Narayan’ two different personalities? Is the one, who gets transformed from a man to Narayan directly called ‘True Narayan’ and the one who gets transformed from a man to prince and then Narayan called just ‘Narayan’?

Murli Pt. No. 17 – Solution of doubts

• "Baap samjhaatey rahtey hain, kuch bhi baat na samjho toh poocho. Manushyon ko toh kuch bhi pataa nahi hai. ... Baba baar-baar bachhon ko kahtey hain, dil may koi bhi shanka ho, jis say khushi nahi rahti toh batao. Baap baith padhaatey hain, toh padhna bhi chaahiye na. Khushi nahi rahti hai, kyunki tum deh-abhimaan may aa jaatey ho. ... Toh Baap samjhaatey hain - koi bhi baat nahi samjho toh Baba say poocho." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 20.7.05, page 1 & 4)

• "Father keeps explaining that if you do not understand anything then you can ask. Human beings do not know anything. ... Baba repeatedly tells children that if you have any doubt, which leads to lack of happiness, then report it. When Father sits and teaches, then one should also study, is not it? Happiness does not remain because you become body conscious. ... So Father explains - If you do not understand anything then ask Baba." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 20.07.05, page 1 & 4 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

- Baba is telling that if you have any doubt then you can ask me. BKs say that ShivBaba is in the Soul World and Brahma is in the Subtle Region. Even in the role being played through Gulzar Dadi nobody is allowed to meet and ask questions. Then whom should we ask the questions related to knowledge and personal life for solutions? Should we ask human beings?

Murli Pt. No.18 – Do not keep the photo of Brahma

"Hamesha samjho ShivBaba kahtey hai; inka photo bhi nahi rakho. Yah rath toh loan liya hai. Yah bhi purusharthi hai, yah bhi kahtey hain mai Baba say varsa lay raha hoon. ... Takdeer may nahi hai toh sanshay uthata hai-Shivbaba kaisay aakar padhaayengey! Mai nahi maanta. Maantey nahi toh fir ShivBaba ko Yaad bhi kaisey karengey? ... Baba say pooch saktey ho – Baba, abhi mar jaayein toh kya pad milega? Baba jhat bataa dengey. Apna potamail aapey hee dekho." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 21.7.05, page 3)

"Always think that it is ShivBaba who is speaking. Do not keep even his photo. This Chariot has been taken on loan. He is also an effort-maker. He also says, 'I am obtaining the inheritance from Baba.’ ... If it is not in anybody's luck, then a doubt is raised - how can ShivBaba come and teach! I do not believe. If you do not believe then how can you remember? ... You can ask Baba - 'Baba, if I die now, which post will I achieve?' Baba will immediately tell. Check your potamail (life-story) yourself." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 21.07.05, page 3 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

- Baba is telling that do not keep even his (Dada Lekhraj Brahma's) photo. But the pictures of not only Brahma-Saraswati, but also other BKs have been displayed in the H.Qs, Centres and houses of BKs. Is it not a violation of Shrimat?

- Is it necessary to believe that ShivBaba has practically come and is teaching in order to remember him? If He is teaching, then where is He?

- Baba is telling that anyone can ask him about his/her post. BKs say that ShivBaba is in the Soul World and Brahma is in the Subtle Region, then whom should we ask this question?

Murli Pt.No.19 – Prajapita - He is also Father, this (Brahma) is also Father – tears of love

• "Tum bachhon ko paigaam bhi sabko dena hai. Aeroplane say bhi parchey giraaney liye koshish karni chaahiye. Usmay likho ShivBaba aisey kahtey hain. Brahma bhi ShivBaba ka bachha hai. Prajapita hai toh vah bhi baap, yah bhi baap. ShivBaba kahney say bhi bahut bachhon ko prem kay aansoo aa jaatey hain. Kabhi dekha nahi hai. Likhtey hain Baba kab aakar aapsey milengey, Baba bandhan say chudaao." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 21.7.05, page 4)

• "You children must give the message to everyone. Efforts must also be made to drop pamphlets from the aeroplane. Write in it that ShivBaba says like this. Brahma is also a child of ShivBaba. Prajapita - He is also Father, this (Brahma) is also Father. Tears of love roll down the eyes of many children even if they just utter ShivBaba. They have never seen (Baba). They write, 'Baba, when will we come and meet you? Baba, please liberate us from bondages.' " (Revised Sakar Murli dated 21.07.05, page 4 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

- Baba is sitting in the body of Brahma and telling that "Prajapita - He is also Father, this (Brahma) is also Father." When ShivBaba is sitting in the body of Brahma, then why is he calling Prajapita as "that Father"? Are Brahma and Prajapita different?
- ShivBaba is telling that children write to Baba that when will they come and meet him? BKs say that Baba is in Soul World, then to which address should children write letter to Baba?

Murli Point No. 20 – You will see practically whatever you have seen through the divine vision

• "Yah anaadi khel chalaa aataa hai. Chakra firta rahta hai, pralay nahi hoti. Bharat toh avinaashi khand hai. Ismay manushya rahtey hee hain, jalmayi hoti nahi. Pashu-pakshi aadi jo bhi hain, sab hongey. Baaki jo bhi khand hain, vah Satyug-Treta may rahtey nahi. Tumnay jo kuch divya drishti say dekha hai, vah fir practical may dekhengey. Practical may tum Vaikunth may jaakar raajya karengey, jiskay liye purusharth kartey rahtey ho." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 22.7.05, page 3 & 4)

• "This anaadi drama (a drama without any beginning) has been going on. The Cycle goes on, pralay (complete earth being submerged with water) does not take place. India is an imperishable land. Human beings always live in it. Complete inundation under water does not take place. Whatever animals-birds etc. are present will all be there. Rest of the continents will not be in the Golden and Silver Age. You will see practically whatever you have seen through the divine vision. You will go to Vaikunth (heaven) and rule practically, for which you are making efforts." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 22.07.05, page 3 & 4 published by BKs)

- BKs say that we will leave this body and then take birth in heaven, while Baba is telling "you will see practically whatever you have seen through the divine vision." Body should also be available to practically see the heaven and rule over it, is it not?

Murli Point No. 21 – You will practically rule over Vaikunth, i.e. heaven – badge of Lakshmi-Narayan

• "Meera Krishna say saakshaatkaar may dance karti thi. Vah tha Bhaktimarg. Yahaan Bhaktimarg kee baat nahin. Tum toh Vaikunth may practical may jaakar rajya bhagya karengey. Bhaktimarg may sirf saakshaatkaar hota hai. Is samay tum bachhon ko aim object ka sakshaatkaar hota hai, jaantey ho hum yah (arthaat Lakshmi Narayan) banengey. Bachhon ko bhool jaata hai isliye badge diye jaatey hain." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 25.7.05, page 2)

• "Meera used to dance with Krishna in divine vision. That was path of worship. Here, there is no question of path of worship. You will practically go and rule over Vaikunth, i.e. heaven. In the path of worship people only have divine vision. Now you children have the divine vision of aim and objective. You know that we will become this (i.e. Lakshmi Narayan). Children forget. That is why badges are given." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 25.07.05, page 2 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba )

- BKs say that we will leave this body and then take birth in heaven, while Baba is telling "You will practically go and rule over Vaikunth, i.e. heaven." How can it be “Practical” if we leave our bodies? The present body should also be available to practically see the heaven and rule over it, is not it?
- Baba is telling that the badge should be of Lakshmi-Narayan, but among the BKs it is only the teachers who get the badge of Lakshmi Narayan. Rest of the BKs are given a badge of point of light, which does not remind us of our aim, whereas Baba is telling above that one should be reminded of the aim by looking at the badge. Will only the BK teachers become Lakshmi Narayan or deities?
- If we constantly remember our goal, then is there any need to wear the physical badge?

Murli Point No.22-Father explains only in Hindi - One kingdom and one language in the Golden Age

• "Baap toh Hindi may hi samjhaatey rahtey hain. Bhashaen toh dher hain na. Interpreter bhi hotey hain, jo sunkar fir sunaatey hain. Hindi aur English toh bahut jaantey hain ... Satyug may ek rajya ek bhasha thi. Jo ab fir say sthaapan kar rahey hain." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 26.7.05, page 2)

• "Father keeps explaining only in Hindi. There are a lot of languages, aren't there? Interpreters are also there, who listen and then narrate. Many people know Hindi and English ... There was one kingdom and one language in the Golden Age, which is being established again now." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 26.07.05, page 2 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

- Baba is telling above that there will be only one kingdom and one language in the Golden Age, while BKs say that Krishna and Radha will belong to different kingdoms in the Golden Age. Which statement among the two is correct?

Murli Point No.23–Baba listens to news and enquires from children

• "Baap kahtey hain aisey nahi ki mai tumhaarey andar ko jaanta hoon. Nahi, tum jo act kartey ho, us par Baba samjhaatey hain. Purusharth karaatey hain. Baaki tum koi avagya athava paap kartey ho toh yahaan poocha jaata hai- koi paap toh nahi kiya? Baba nay samjhaaya hai aankhein bada dhokha deti hain. Yah bhi bataana chaahiye ki Baba aaj aankhon nay humko bahut dhokha diya. ... Baba samachaar toh suntey hain na ...Baba bachhon say bhi sab enquiry kartey hain, Baba ko samachaar toh dena hai na. Koi toh jhooth bhi boltey hain ... ShivBaba kahtey hain mai toh sirf knowledge deta hoon. ShivBaba gyaan kee baatein sunaatey, yah (saakaar baap) apney anubhav kee baatein sunaatey rahtey. Doh hai na." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 28.7.05, page 1, 2 & 3)

• "Father says, it is not true that I know what is in your mind. No. Baba explains and enables you to make efforts on the basis of your acts. As for the rest, if you violate the Shrimat or commit any sin, then it is asked here – Have you committed any sin? Baba has explained that the eyes dupe a lot. It must also be intimated, “Baba, today eyes duped me a lot”. ...Baba also enquires from the children. News (i.e. information) must be given to Baba, isn’t it? Some even lie. ... ShivBaba says I give only knowledge. ShivBaba narrates the matters of knowledge and he (i.e. the corporeal medium) keeps narrating matters of his experience. There are two isn’t it?" (Revised Sakar Murli dated 28.07.05, page 1, 2 & 3 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

- For the purpose of information to be taken from children by Baba and for the children to give information to Baba, He should be present in a corporeal form, isn’t it?

Murli Pt.No.24 – Who is God of Gita?

• "Jab koi ko samjhaatey ho toh pehley yah clear kar do ki baap ek hai ... Pehley-pehley aisey bhi nahi kahna chaahiye ki vah bindi hai, ismay moojh padengey. Pehley-pehley toh yah achhi reeti samjhaao ki do baap hain-loukik aur paarloukik. ... Pehley-pehley yah pakka nishchay karaao ki Father hai swarg kee rachana karney vaala. Vah yahaan aayengey swarg ka maalik banaaney, jisko Shivjayanti bhi kahtey hain. ... Pehley-pehley toh yah nishchay karaay likha lena chaahiye. Gita may Bhagwaanuvaach hai-mai tumko Rajyog sikhaata hoon, arthaat Nar say Narayan banaata hoon. ... Toh pehley baap ek hai, yah siddh kar bataaney say Gita ka bhagwaan Krishna nahi hai, vah bhi siddh ho jaayega. ... Pehley-pehley tum is baat par jeet paayengey ki Bhagwaan ek niraakaar hai, na ki saakaar. Parampita Parmatma Shiv Bhagwaanuvaach, gyaan ka saagar sabka baap vah hai. Shri Krishna toh sabka baap ho nahi sakta. Vah kisi ko kah nahi sakta kid eh kay sab dharm chod maamekam Yaad karo ... Vah aatey jaroor hain, parantu unka divya janma hai. Bhaageerath par aakar sawaar hotey hain. Patiton ko aakar paavan banaatey hain. Rachata aur rachana kay aadi-madhya-ant ka raaz samjhaatey hain, jo knowledge aur koi nahi jaantey hain. Baap ko aapey hi aakar apna parichay dena hai. Mukhya baat hai hi baap kay parichay ki. Vahi Gita ka bhagwaan hai, yah tum siddh karke bataayengey toh tumhaara naam bahut baala ho jaayega. Toh aisa parcha banaakar usmay chitra aadi bhi lagaakar fir aeroplane say giraaney chaahiye. ...Tumhaari mukhya ek baat may jeet hui toh bus tumnay jeet paai. ... Baap kahtey hain ki mai sarvavyaapi kaisey ho sakta hoon. Mai toh aakar bachhon ko knowledge sunaata hoon. Pukaartey bhi hain-aakar paavan banaao. Rachata aur rachana ka gyaan sunaao. Mahima bhi baap ki alag, Krishna ki alag hai ... Mukhya hai hi Gita. Bhagwaanuvaach hai, toh jaroor Bhagwaan ka much chaahiye na. Bhagwaan toh hai niraakaar. Aatma much bigar boley kaisey. Tab kahtey hain mai saadhaaran tan ka aadhaar leta hoon. Jo pehley Lakshmi-Narayan bantey hain, vahee 84 janma letey-letey pichaadi may aatey hain toh fir unkay hee tan may aatey hain. Krishna kay bahut janmon kay ant may aatey hain. Aisey-aisey vichaar Sakar manthan karo ki kaisey kisko samjhaaein. Ek hi baat say tumhaara naam baala ho jaayega. Rachata baap ka sabko maaloom pad jaayega. Fir tumhaarey paas bahut aayengey. Tumko bulaayengey ki yahaan aakar bhaashan karo. ... Baap padhaakar saath lay jaatey hain aur koi takleef ki baat nahi. ...Yahi mukhya mistake hai jis kaaran hi Bharat unrighteous, irreligious, insolvent banaa hai." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 27.7.05, page 1, 2 & 3)

"Whenever you explain to anyone then make it clear first of all that Father is one ... First of all you must not say that He is a point; they will get confused in that. First of all explain nicely that there are two fathers – worldly and spiritual Father. ... First of all enable them to develop the faith that Father is the creator of heaven. He will come here to establish heaven, which is also called Shivjayanti (birthday of Shiv). ... First of all one must enable them to develop faith and obtain in writing. God says in Geeta-I teach you RajYoga, i.e. transform you from a man to Narayan. ... So, if you prove that Father is one, then it will also be proved that the God of Gita is not Krishna. ... First of all you children will gain victory in the matter that ‘God is one incorporeal, and not corporeal.’ The Supreme Father Supreme Soul God Shiv says, ‘He is the ocean of knowledge, Father of everyone. Shri Krishna cannot be everybody’s Father. He cannot ask everyone to leave all their bodily relgions and remember only me. ... He certainly comes, but his birth is divine. He comes and mounts the lucky Chariot. He comes and transforms the sinful ones into pure ones. He explains the secrets of the beginning, middle and end of the creator and creation; it is a knowledge which no one else knows. Father has to come himself and give His introduction. The main matter is about the introduction of Father. If you prove that He is the God of Gita, then you will become very famous. So such a pamphlet should be prepared and even insert picture etc. in it and then drop them from aeroplane. ... If you gain victory in the one main matter, then you will gain entire victory. ... Father says that how can I be omnipresent? I come and narrate knowledge to children. People also call me, “Come and purify us. Narrate The Knowledge of the creator and the creation. The fame of Father and Krishna is different. ... Main is Gita. When (it is written in Gita that) ‘God speaks’, then certainly God requires a mouth, isn’t it? God is incorporeal. How can a soul speak without a mouth? It is only because of this reason that I say, ‘I take the basis of (i.e. enter into) an ordinary body’. When those who become Lakshmi-Narayan, reach the end (of drama) while taking 84 births, then He comes in their body only. He comes in the body of Krishna at the end of his many births. Think and churn as to how should we explain someone. You will become famous with this one matter. When everyone comes to know of the creator Father then many people will come to you. You will be asked to come and deliver lectures. ... Father teaches and then takes us along with him and there is no other pain involved. ...This is the main mistake due to which India has become unrighteous, irreligious and insolvent." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 27.07.05, page 1, 2 & 3 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

- Why is Baba stressing since the beginning of the Yagya that if you prove who is God of Gita then you will become famous and you will gain victory?
- Why are the BKs unable to prove the God of Gita even after nearly 70 years of the Yagya?
- Is the God of Gita to be proved only as an incorporeal point of light Shiva or as the Supreme Soul Shiva who has practically come in the body of someone with an incorporeal stage, i.e. Shankar?
- Isn’t it the biggest mistake of us BKs that we prove Dada Lekhraj (i.e. the soul of Shri Krishna) as the medium of incorporeal Shiva, because the people of the world will know and believe in God Shiva who has practically come presently instead of his past medium?
- BKs say that God Shiva comes in the body of Gulzar Dadi at Mt. Abu, but they are revealing Late Dada Lekhraj Brahma as the present medium of Shiva. Does it not prove that BKs do not believe Gulzar Dadi to be the medium of God Shiva? Is incorporeal Shiva playing the role of the incorporeal God of Gita through the medium of Shankar after the medium of Brahma? Is it for this reason that Baba is telling above that first of all make it clear that Father is one?
- Baba is telling that I take the basis of an ordinary body. Brahma’s body was very extraordinary, which was envied even by the Iron-Aged Kings. So was only the role of a mother played through Brahma and is the role of a Father being played somewhere else?
- Baba is telling above that Father teaches and takes us along with Him. But Brahma Baba did not take anyone along with him. Will ShivBaba teach through any other human body till the end of the Confluence Age and take everyone along with Him, who has been shown in the form of Shankar sitting on a globe above the world tree?
- BKs say that Shankar is not a particular soul, but every one of us will attain the incorporeal stage like Shankar, i.e. all of us are Shankar. Is this the reason why Baba is telling above that “How can I be omnipresent? I come and narrate knowledge to children”?

Murli Pt.No.25- Prajapita will be in corporeal form – sending charts to Baba

• "Aatmaen to hui niraakaari santaan. Fir Baap rachtey hain toh jaroor saakaari Brahman rachengey. Prajapita Brahma toh saakaar hoga na." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 29.7.05, page 4)

• "Souls are incorporeal children. Then Father creates. So certainly He will create corporeal Brahmins. Prajapita Brahma will be in corporeal form, isn’t it?” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 29.07.05, page 4 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

- If Brahmins are present in corporeal form then where is Prajapita Brahma in corporeal form as stated above?
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• "Baba kahtey hain – chart rakho aur service ka khyaal karo toh bahut khushi hogi. Kitni bhi achhi Murli chalaatey hain parantu Yoga hai nahi. Baap say sachha ban-na bhi bada mushkil hai. Agar samajhtey hain ham bahut teekhey hain toh Baba ko Yaad kar chart bhejein toh samjhengey kahaan tak sach hai ya jhooth?" (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 30.7.05, page 4)

• "Baba says – maintain a chart and think about service, then you will be very happy. There are children who narrate Murli very nicely, but they don’t have Yoga with Baba. It is very difficult to be truthful with Father. If children feel that they are very clever then they should remember Baba and send chart, then Baba will think how far it is true or false.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 30.07.05, page 4 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

- If Baba is in the Soul World, then how can the chart be sent to Baba and how can Baba decide as to the chart is true or false? To read the chart and to think like that, He should be present in a corporeal form, isn’t it?

• "Ab geet ka akshar suna - kaun aaya padhaaney! Teacher aatey hain na. School may padhney vaaley jaantey hain teacher aaya. Yahaan kaun aaya hai? Ek dam romanch khadey ho jaaney chaahiye. Oonch tay oonch baap fir say padhaaney aaye hain. Samajhney kee baat hai na! Takdeer kee bhi baat hai. Padhaaney vaala kaun hai? Bhagwaan. Vah aakar padhaatey hain. Vivek kahta hai - bhal koi kitni bhi badey tay badi padhaai padhta ho, fat say vah padhaai chod kar aae Bhagwaan say padhey. Ek second may sab kuch chod Baap ke paas padhney aaye ...Toh aur sab padhaaiyan chod is padhaai may lag jaana chaahiye kyunki Baap aatey hee hain Kalpa kay baad. Baap kahtey hain mai har 5 hazaar varsh kay baad aata hoon sammukh padhaaney. Wonder hai na. ... 7 roz bhatti bhi gaayi hui hai." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 4.8.05, page 1)

• "Now you heard the song - Who has come to teach? Teacher comes, isn’t it? Those who study in a school think that teacher has come. Who has come here? The hairs of the body should immediately bristle with joy. The Greatest Father has come to teach again. It is a matter to be understood, isn’t it? It is a matter of luck also. Who is the teacher? God. He comes and teaches. Conscience says – Although one may be studying any highest study; he should immediately leave that study and come and learn from God. One should leave everything in a second and come to the Father to study ... So one should leave all other studies and get involved in this study because Father comes only after a Kalpa. Father says – I come after every 5000 years to teach face to face. It is a wonder, isn’t it? ... 7 days bhatti is also famous.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 4.8.05, page 1 published by BKs and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)
- Baba is telling that as soon as anyone comes to know about the teaching of God, then one should leave everything in a second and come to study from Father. BapDada comes only on very few pre-determined dates at Mt. Abu. Then if anyone wants to leave everything and wishes to come and study directly from Father or to meet him during the rest of the year, then where should he/she go? At Madhuban, Mt. Abu it is the Dadis and at the centres it is the teachers who are teaching. But where is ShivBaba Himself teaching?

• "Baaki jo bhi dharma hain un sabka vinaash karaaney nimitt banta hoon ... Aisa dhandha toh aur koi nahi kartey hain. Kaha jaata hai Shankar dwara vinaash. Vishnu bhi Lakshmi Narayan hi hain. Prajapita Brahma bhi toh yahaan hai ... ShivBaba hum bachhon ko samjhaatey hain. Niraakaar aatmaen ab Sakar may baithi hain. Toh Baap bhi saakaar may samjhaayengey na ... Shiv Bhagwaanuvaach bachhon prati. Khud yahaan present hai na. ... Prajapita Brahma ke bachhey Brahman yahaan hain. Prajapita Brahma sookshmavatan may toh ho nahi sakta ... Yahaan tum samajhkar fir transfer hotay ho, oopar class may. Kamra hee doosra milta hai. ... Shiv Bhagwaanuvaach bachhon prati. Aisey-aisey akshar hongey toh aakar samjhengey bhi. Naam likha hua hai Prajapita Brahmakumar-kumariyan. Prajapita Brahma say hee Brahman rachtey hain. ... Moolvatan kee kitni badi yatra hogi. Sabki sab aatmaen jaayengi. jaisey makkhiyon ka jhund jaata hai na. Makkhiyon kee bhi rani bhaagti hai toh unkay pichaadi sab bhaagtey hain. Wonder hai na. Sab aatmaen bhi machharon misal jaayengi. Shiv kee baaraat hai na. Tum sab ho brides. Mai bridegroom aaya hoon sabko lay jaaney. " (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 5.8.05, page 2, 3 aur 4)

• "Whatever be the religions that are remaining, I become instrumental in destroying all of them ... No one else does such a business. It is said, ‘destruction through Shankar.’Vishnu is also Lakshmi Narayan. Prajapita Brahma also is here ... ShivBaba explains to us, the children. All the incorporeal souls are sitting in corporeal form. So Father will also explain the children in a corporeal form, is not it? ... God Shiv speaks to the children. He himself is present here, is not it? ... Prajapita Brahma's children, i.e. Brahmins are here. Prajapita Brahma cannot be in the Subtle Region. ... Here you understand and get transferred to a higher class. You get a separate room. God Shiv speaks to the children ... If such words are used, then people will come and understand also. The name is written as Prajapita Brahmakumar-kumaris. Brahmins are created through Prajapita Brahma only. How big would be the journey to the Soul World! All the souls would depart. Just as a group of mosquitoes travels, is not it? When the queen bee of honeybees flies, then all the bees run behind it. It is wonderful, is not it? All the souls would depart like mosquitoes. Shiva's marriage procession is there, is not it? All of you are brides. I, your bridegroom have come to take everyone along with me." (Revised Sakar Murli dated 5.8.05, page 2, 3 & 4 published by BKs, and narrated by Father Shiv through Brahma Baba)

- The role of destruction of various religions has taken place neither through Brahma Baba nor through Gulzar Dadi. Brahma's role was and is a gentle role of a mother. Then who will assume the fierceful form of Rudra for the destruction of various religions and when?
- Baba is telling that Father is present in corporeal form, then where is he?
- BKs say that Prajapita Brahma is in the Subtle Region. But Baba is telling above "Prajapita Brahma cannot be in the Subtle Region". Then where is Prajapita Brahma?
- In which class do we get transferred to after studying here (in BK class)?
- Baba has named his children as Prajapita Brahmakumar-kumaris (PBKs) then why do we call ourselves only BKs?
- Baba is telling that " I, your bridegroom have come to take everyone along with me", but Brahma Baba departed without taking anyone along with him. Then who will take us along in the form of a bridegroom? In the path of worship the marriage party of Shiv-Shankar Bholeynath is famous (as mentioned in the Murli above). And who is the queen bee, whom all the souls will follow?

Murli PT.NO. 28 (PRAJAPITA-FACE TO FACE, IMPORTANCE OF Trimurti)

• "Prajapita Brahma ke bachhey Brahman hee thahrey. Brahman tab hongey jab Prajapita sammukh hoga. Abhi tum sammukh ho. Tum har-ek Prajapita Brahma kee aulaad apney ko samajhtey ho ... ShivBaba bhi kahtey hain mai is shareeer dwara baat karta hoon. Nahi toh mai kaisey aaoon? Mera janma divya hai ... Mai inkay baaju may aakar baithta hoon, jahaan aatma rahti hai. Mai swatantra hoon. Kahaan bhi jaa aa sakta hoon ... Baba nay kaha tha har-ek chitra may likho – paarloukik parampita parmatma Trimurti Shiv Bhagwaanuvaach. Trimurti na likhney say kahengey Shiv toh niraakaar hai, vah kaisey gyaan dengey?" (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 8.8.05, page 2, 3 aur 4)

• "Children of Prajapita Brahma would be called Brahmins only. Brahmins will exist only when Prajapita is present face to face. Now you are face to face. Every one of you considers yourself to be the child of Prajapita Brahma. ... ShivBaba also says that I speak through this body. Otherwise how will I come? My birth is divine ... I come and sit beside him, where the soul resides. I am free. I can go and come wherever I wish ... Baba had said, ‘Write in every picture – Paarloukik (dweller of the Supreme Abode) Supreme Father Supreme Soul Trimurti God Shiva’s verdict:’ If the word ‘Trimurti’ is not written, then they will say that Shiv is incorporeal, how will he give knowledge?” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 8.8.05, page 2, 3 & 4 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling that Brahmins will exist only when Prajapita is present face to face. But BKs say that Prajapita Brahma is in the Subtle Region. Then how is he face to face? While pointing towards the picture of Brahma Baba the teachers of BK centres say that we are sitting face to face with Brahma. But that is only a non-living picture. Then where is Prajapita Brahma in living form?

"Brahman jo apney ko kahlaatey hain, unsay poochana chaahiye Brahma kahaan say aaya? Yah kiski rachana hai. Brahma ko kisney create kiya? Kabhi koi bataa na sakey, jaantey hee nahi. ....Prajapita Brahma kee aulaad Brahman hotey hain - Yah koi jaantey nahi sivaay tum bachhon kay. Unko pataa bhi kaisey padey, jabki Brahma ko sookshmavatan may samajh letey hain. Vah jismaani Brahman alag hain jo pooja kartey hain, dhaama khaatey hain. Tum toh dhama aadi nahi khaatey ho. ... Prajapita Brahma toh yahaan hai. Brahmanon dwara gyaan Yagya rachtey hain toh jaroor Brahman hee chaahiye na. Prajapita Brahma bhi yahaan chaahiye, jis say Brahman hon. ....ShivBaba toh patiyon ka pati hai. Sagaai ho jaati hai, toh fir kahtey hain hum aisey pati ke saath kab milengi. Aatmaen kahti hain - ShivBaba hamaari toh aapsey sagaai ho gayi. Ab aapsey hum milein kaisey?" (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 12.8.05, page 1, 2 aur 4)

"You must ask those who describe themselves as Brahmins that where did Brahma come from? Whose creation is he? Who created Brahma? Nobody can tell. They do not know at all.....Children of Prajapita Brahma are Brahmins. Nobody knows this except you children. How can they know, when they consider Brahma to be the resident of the Subtle Region? Those physical Brahmins are different, who worship and eat dhaama (feast). You do not eat dhaama (feast) etc. ... Prajapita Brahma is here. Gyan Yagya is created through Brahmins. So certainly Brahmins only are required, is not it? Prajapita Brahma is also required here, from whom Brahmins could be created.....ShivBaba is the husband of all husbands.When the engagement takes place then they say that when will we meet such a husband. The souls say - ShivBaba we have been engaged to you. Now how do we meet you?" (Revised Sakar Murli dated 12.8.05, page 1, 2 & 4 published by BKs)

- Baba is telling that those who consider Brahma to be a resident of Subtle Region are wrong and that Prajapita Brahma should be present here to create Brahmins. But BKs consider Brahma to be in the Subtle Region. Then where is Prajapita Brahma?
- Baba is telling that the physical Brahmins (i.e. Brahmins by physical birth) eat dhaama (meals organized after any religious ceremony in the Hindu community). We spiritual Brahmins (BKs) should not eat dhaama. But it has been observed that in every centre, apart from the regular Bhog on Thursdays, Bhog and Brahma Bhojan are also arranged on various occasions like the birthdays and marriages of BKs, inauguration of new houses of BKs etc. Then, can we call ourselves as true spiritual Brahmins?