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Post17 May 2007

Discussion CD No.254 dated 10.02.07 at Aara, Bihar

Kisi Bhai nay poocha: Geography ka repetition hamko clear buddhi may nahee aata hai.

Baba nay uttar diya:
Kyon clear buddhi may nahee aata? Geography mana kya?
Us Bhai nay poocha: Jaisey maan leejiye abhi yahaan makaan banaa hai, Rajasthan say maan leejiye, sangmarmar ko kaatkar kay yahaan lagaa diya gaya. Sab vinaash ho jayega toh yah sangmarmar vahaan chalaa jaayega?

Baba nay uttar diya:
Jab saari duniya may bhookamp jor-jor say hongey aur bhookamp may hamey maaloom hai neechey ka labaadaa saara oopar aata hai, neechey jo aag bhari hui hai, prithvi kay andar, sara patthar jo hai pighal kar ke liquid ban jata hai, aag ban jaati hai. Aur jaisey pateela hota hai, usmay paani khaultaa hai, toh paani ka ek anu doosrey anu say kya karta hai? Mix hokar kay ek ho jata hai. Usmay ek boond, boond ka koi hissa, jaisey laal davaa hoti hai paani ki voh usmay daal dee jaaye, toh kya hoga? Turant, turant saarey paani may mix ho jata hai. Aisey hi, duniya ka joa bhi anu-anu hai, jahaan say cycle shuru kartaa hai, Satyug aadi say, vahin 5000 varsh ka chakkar lagaatey-lagaatey fir vahin pahunch jata hai. Abhi toh chotey-chotey bhookamp aatey rahey hain Dwaparyug say. Jab last vinaash hoga, jo sainkadon hajaaron kee taadaad may atom bomb baney padey hain, aur voh ikatthey footengey, jaisey diwali hoti hai na, toh pehley bachhey thodey-thodey pataakhey chutaatey rahtey hain, ek chutaya, doh chutaya, chaar chutaye, aath chutaaye, 10, 20, 15 chutaaye, chutaatey rahey, jab dekhein thak jaatey hain toh kya kartey hain? Saarey hee pataakhey may ek saath aag lagaa detey hain. Aisey hee job hi atom bomb hain, voh saarey ek saath dhadaka hongey. Aur jo Mount Abu ka kadak say kadak pathhar ka pahaad hai, granite ka pahaad, duniya ka sabsey majboot pahaad, jahaan Brahan tapasya karengey ant tak, voh pahaad bhi aakhri vinaash may pighal karke jaaney kahaan ka kahaan chalaa jaavega. Toh kyon nahee samajh may aatee history, geography? Aur itnee jab garmee hogi bhookampon kay aadhaar par, toh samundar ka jal khaulega ya nahee khaulega? Boil honay lagega. Aur saari Prithvi par, uttari dhruv aur dakshini dhruv par, jo meelon oonchey barf kay pahaad hain voh saarey pighal karke kahaan aa jaavengey? Samandar may aa jaavengey. Samandar ka star ooncha uth jaayega. Isliye kaha ye Bambai aadi sab doob jaavengey. Toh itnee bhaap uthegi saari duinya may ki kayi dinon tak moosalaadhaar barsaat hoti rahengi. Lagaataar barsaat honay ka result kya hoga? Prithvi ka temperature ekdam neechey gir jaavega. Barf hee barf jam ho jaavegi. Us barf kay dheerey pighalney par jo generation baahar aayegi, voh generation toh pehley kaun say desh may chalegi? Bharat may. Bharat avinaashi khand hai. Jahaan Bhagwaan Baap aakar ke pratyakshata roopi janma letey hain. Voh khand 2500 varsh tak jyon ka tyon rahega, vriddhi ko pata rahega jamboodweep. Aur aadhakalp poora hotey hee, jab doosrey-doosrey dharma kee aatmaen oopar say neechey aana shuru hoti hai dwaitwaadi yug shuru hota hai toh Islam dharmkhand pratyaksh hota hai, jameen kay andar say (sister in charge) voh samandar kay andar say aur Islam dharmakhand, Arabkhand, Africa, ye vistaar ko paa jaatey hain. Bhaarat kay saath-saath ek khand jud gayaa. Aisey hee fir Bauddhi khand Mahatma Buddh kay aaney say pehley hee taiyyaar ho jata hai. Jaisey garbh may bachha pehley hee taiyyaar hota hai na. Aatma baad may pravesh kartee hai lekin pind pehley taiyyar ho jata hai, aisey hee oopar say doosrey-doosrey dharm kee aatmaen baad may aati hain aur poorveey dharmkhand, Japan, Cheen, Afganis (sister in charge) voh ye Indonesia, Tibbat, ye pehley samandar say oopar aa jaatey hain. Aisey he ek-ek karke Isai dharmkhand, Europe, America, ye bhi time to time oopar aa jaatey hain. Toh Prithvi vistaar ko paati rahti hai. Kaliyug kay ant tak jab tak Bhagwaan ka aagman hota hai, sthaapanaa ka kaarya poora hota hai vinaash ka found (sister in charge) vinaash sampan hota hai. Paalna ka foundation lag jaata hai, toh fir sarva dharmakhand, samandar may samaa jaatey hain. Kyonki Prithvi ka star hee (sister in charge) voh saagar ka star hee oopar uth jaata hai. Saagar kay star oopar jaaney say saarey dharmkhand jo pehley nahee thay – Satyug-Treta may voh sab lop ho jaatey hain. Sirf Bharat rah jata hai. Toh geography samajh may aai ki nahi?.

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A Brother said: The repetition of the geography does not fit into my intellect clearly.

Baba asked:
Why does it not fit into your intellect clearly? What does geography mean?
The Brother said: Suppose, now a house has been constructed here. Suppose, marble stone is cut and brought from Rajasthan and fitted here. When everything gets destroyed, then will this marble also go there?

Baba said:
When strong Earthquakes would rock the entire world and we know that in Earthquakes, the mass (labadaa) situated below (i.e. underground) comes out. Below, the fire that is contained inside, the entire stone melts and becomes liquid; it becomes fire, and just as there is an utensil, water boils in it; then what does every atom of water do with other atoms? They get mixed and become one. If one drop, a part of the drop (is added) to it. Just as there is red medicine for water, if it is added to water, then what would happen? It would immediately get mixed in the entire water. Similarly, every atom of the world reaches the same place, from where its cycle starts, at the beginning of the Golden Age, after passing through The Cycle of 5000 years. Now, small Earthquakes have been occuring since the Copper Age. When the last destruction takes place, then the hundreds and thousands of atom bombs that exist; and these bombs will explode simultaneously. Just as (the festival of) Diwali is celebrated, isn’it? So the children initially ignite crackers in small numbers, they would ignite one cracker, two crackers, four crackers, eight crackers, 10, 20, 15 crackers, they go on igniting; when they feel tired, then what do they do? They set fire to all the crackers at the same time. Similarly, all the atom bombs that exist, they would explode simultaneously. And the mountain of Mount Abu, which is made up of the hardest stone, the mountain of granite, the strongest rock of the world, where the Brahmins would do tapasya (penance) till the end, that rock would also melt in the final destruction and one cannot say in which direction that material would move. So, why can’t you understand the history and geography? And when so much heat would be generated on the basis of earthquakes, then will the water of oceans start boiling or not? It would start boiling. And the mountains of ice which are several miles in height spread on the entire Earth, at the North Pole and at the South Pole, all those mountains would melt and where would they reach? They would reach the ocean. The level of the ocean would rise. That is why it has been said that this Bombay, etc. would all get submerged. So, so much vapours would be generated in the entire world that it would rain torrentially for many days. What would be the result of continuous rains? The temperature of the Earth would fall suddenly. Ice would be formed everywhere. With the slow melting of that ice, the generation (i.e. population) that would emerge; in which country would that generation (i.e. population) exist first of all? In India. India is an imperishable land, where God Father comes and takes the revelation-like birth. That land would remain as it is for 2500 years and the continent would keep expanding. And with the completion of half a Kalpa (i.e. 2500 years), when the souls belonging to other religions start descending from above, when the dualistic age begins, then the Islamic religious land (dharmakhand) emerges from the land (sister in charge) from the ocean and the Islamic religious land, the Arab land, Africa keep expanding. A land got added along with India. Similarly, before the arrival of Mahatma Buddha, the Buddhist religious land gets ready. For example, the foetus gets ready in the womb beforehand, isn’t it? The soul enters later on, but the foetus (pind) gets ready beforehand. Similarly, the souls belonging to other religions come later on, and the Eastern religious lands, Japan, China, Afganis (sister in charge) this Indonesia, Tibet, emerge from the ocean first. Similarly, the Christian religious lands, Europe, America also emerge from time to time. So, the Earth keeps expanding. By the end of the Iron Age, when God arrives, when the task of establishment gets accomplished, when the founda(sister in charge) of destruction, when the destruction is over, when the foundation for sustenance has already been laid, then all the religious lands submerge in the ocean because the level of Earth (sister in charge.) the level of ocean rises. With the rise in the level of oceans, the religious lands which did not exist earlier in the Golden and Silver Age, all of them vanish. Only India remains. So, did you understand the geography or not?


(to be continued)
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Post17 May 2007

Dear Arjunbhai

What does the word "imperishable" as in the phrase "India is an imperishable land" mean ? If the granite mountains of Mount Abu can melt, then does that not mean the the land has perished and thus the whole of India also melts with the rest of the world? Or does the word "imperishable" mean it will not get flooded and will remain above water whilst the rest of the world is submerged ?

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Post18 May 2007

Sister Bansy wrote:Or does the word "imperishable" mean it will not get flooded and will remain above water whilst the rest of the world is submerged ?

Yes, this is what is implied by 'imperishable'.

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Post18 May 2007

Discussion CD No.254 dated 10.02.07 at Aara, Bihar

Kisi Mata nay kaha: Ek mukarrar rath hai, ek temporary rath hai, ek Murli may bola hai ki mai 108 may pravesh kartaa hoon. Iska arth ...?
Baba nay kaha:
Mai jo 108 may pravesh kartaa hoon voh Brahma kee soul interfere karke bol rahee hai. Vaastav may Shiv toh ek may hee mukarrar roop say pravesh kartaa hai. (Mata nay kaha: Mana 108 may jaaney..) 108 may sirf seva karney ke liye jata hai. Kabhi drishti kee seva deta hai, kabhi vacha kee seva deta hai, kabhi vibration kee seva deta hai, bachha samjhaaney vala kamjor hai, himmat karta hai seva karney kee toh Baap usmay pravesh karke madad detey hain lekin bachhey ko pataa nahee chal sakta aur koi ko pataa nahee chal saktaa, ki kab aaya aur kab chalaa gayaa. Isliye koi kah nahee saktaa ki merey andar Bhagwaan Baap kee praveshaaa hui. Isliye na voh mukarrar rath hai aur na temporary rath hai.


A mother asked: One is a permanent Chariot; one is a temporary Chariot. It has been said in a Murli that I enter into 108. What does it mean?
Baba said:
The sentence that "I enter into 108" is being spoken by the soul of Brahma by interfering (in the Murli). Actually, Shiv enters into one permanent Chariot alone permanently. (The mother said: It means that in 108 ...) He enters into 108 just to do service. Sometimes He does the service through vision, sometimes He does the service through words, and sometimes He does the service through vibrations. If the child who is explaining is weak, but displays courage to do service, then the Father enters into him and helps. But the child cannot know and nobody can know as to when He entered and when He departed. That is why nobody can say that the Father entered into me. That is why that (bodies of 108 souls) is neither permanent Chariot nor temporary Chariot.

(to be continued)
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Post18 May 2007

arjun wrote:Baba (via Virendra Dev Dixit) said: The sentence that "I enter into 108" is being spoken by the soul of Brahma by interfering (in the Murli). Actually, Shiv enters into one permanent Chariot alone permanently

OK ... so that stands through the Murlis then, does it? When a Baba says, "I enter into the child ... etc", it means BB not Shiva Baba? But this was when BB was alive ... so how could he do that? Be in two places at the same time?

In other Sakar Murlis he is just saying "children" not 108". Are there other spirits involved, e.g. deceased BKWSU members?

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Post18 May 2007

Thanks for the reply Arjunbhai. Just wanted to clarify the Hindi meaning and the English meaning the same.
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Post18 May 2007

ex-l wrote:In other Sakar Murlis he is just saying "children" not 108". Are there other spirits involved, e.g. deceased BKWSU members?

Yes, when the entry of Baba into 108 children or the body of any other soul is being talked about, it refers to the entry of either Brahma Baba or the present Chariot (the soul of Confluence-Aged Ram, i.e. Baba Virendra Dev Dixit). But, I don't think that during the lifetime of Brahma Baba, his soul used to leave his body and enter into any Brahmin child for Godly service. It must have been only giving search light to the concerned child through intellect. Similarly, when the entry of the current Chariot (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) into other children is concerned it may also be only through the intellect and not by leaving one body and entering into another one.

As per the advanced knowledge being given by ShivBaba (through Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) it is believed that after the demise of Brahma Baba, Om Radhey Saraswati, Dada Vishwa Kishore, Didi Manmohini and many other Dadis & senior BKs, they have not taken rebirth and are in their subtle bodies. They do Godly service by entering into the bodies of various Brahmin souls to fill them with spiritual power to enable them to do Godly service.

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As per the advanced knowledge being given by ShivBaba (through Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit) it is believed that after the demise of Brahma Baba, Om Radhey Saraswati, Dada Vishwa Kishore, Didi Manmohini and many other Dadis & senior BKs, they have not taken rebirth and are in their subtle bodies. They do Godly service by entering into the bodies of various Brahmin souls to fill them with spiritual power to enable them to do Godly service.

Where do these subtle bodies stay when they are not entering into the bodies of others?

Do they stay in the Subtle Region or just floating in the air?
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Post19 May 2007

Discussion CD No.254 dated 10.02.07 at Aara, Bihar

Kisi Bhai nay poocha: Ye hee baat yahaan galat-galat afvaah failaaye huay hain Baba

Baba nay kaha:
Kya?

Bhai nay kaha: ki jaisey boltey thay na Brahma Baba kee soul kay saath interfere kartey thay, press kartey thay, interfere karkey boltey thay apnee baat. Kya Prajapita vali aatma nahee kartaa hoga?

Baba nay kaha:
Prajapita vali aatma interfere karegi? Jo, jo deh bhaan may hoga voh interfere karega, teacher ban karke padhaai padhaa raha hai, toh us time jo deh abhimaan may hoga ki mai jyada jaanta hoon, voh interfere karega ya jo beejroop aatma hogi voh interfere karegi?

Kisi nay kaha: Nahee, dehbhaan may..

Baba nay kaha:
Jo interfere karney vala hai uskay liye Murli may bola hai, mai is Brahma say baat nahee kartaa hoon, mai tum bachhon say baat kartaa hoon, ye beech may sun leta hai. Beech may suntaa bhi hai aur beech may interfere bhi kartaa hai. Jab mai is say baat hee nahee kartaa hoon, toh ye baat ko mix karega. Toh kaam kaisey sampann karega? Brahma vali aatma may aur Ram vali aatma may vishesh fark kya hai? (Kisi nay kuch kaha) Hm?

Kisi mataji nay kaha: Dil aur dimaag

Baba nay kaha:
Haan, voh aatma hai jadatwamayi buddhi vaali, jaisey Brahma mahtatwa pavitra tatwa toh hai lekin jadatwmayi hai. Aur Ramvali aatma ](Kisi nay kaha- Jad tatwa) Jadatwa tatwa nahee hai. Samajhdaar Baap kay samajhdaar bacahhon may say hai. Joa Baap kee baat ko jhat pakad letey hain. Aur aur doosrey-doosrey dharma kee aatmaen Baap kee baton ko jhat pakad nahee paati. Samajh nahee paati. Chaahey Chandravanshi hon, chaahey Islamvanshi hon, chaahey Bauddhivanshi hon, Christianvanshi hon, vo baad may aaney vali aatmaen hain. Jeetey jee pakki rooh ban-ney vaali aatmaen nahee hain. Sharir chodney kay baad doosron may pravesh karke fir rooh banney ka purushaarth kar paati hai. Vo bhi adhoori rooh ban kay rah jati hai. Sirf Chandravansh kee aatmaaen aisi hain jo 84 janma leney vaali banti hai. Voh direct Baap say varsa nahee leti. Direct Baap say varsa na leney kay kaaran voh Satyug may janma lengi aur devataaon say varsa lengi. Direct baap say varsa nahee leti. Ram-Krishna vali aur Radha-Krishna jaisi joa bhi janma leney vali aatmaen hain. Aur?


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A Brother said: This is the issue about which rumours have been spread here.

Baba said:
What?

The Brother said: For example, Baba used to say that the soul of Brahma Baba used to interfere, press, interfere and speak his opinion, didn’t he? Does Prajapita’s soul not act similarly?

Baba said:
Will the soul of Prajapita interfere? Will the one, who is in body consciousness, interfere? The teacher is teaching, the Supreme Soul is teaching The Knowledge like a teacher. So, will the one, who is in the body consciousness at that time that I know better, interfere or will the one, who is a seed-like soul, interfere?

Someone said: No, in bodyconsciousness..

Baba said:
For the one, who interferes, it has been said in the Murli that I do not talk to this Brahma. I talk to you children. This one listens in between. He listens as well as interferes. When I do not talk to him at all, then he will mix up the matter. So, how will he accomplish the task? What is the main difference between the soul of Brahma and the soul of Ram? (Someone said something). Hm?

A mother said: Heart and brain.

Baba said:
Yes, that soul possesses a non-living intellect. Just as the Brahm Mahatatwa. It is a pure element, but it is non-living. And the soul of Ram (Someone said: Non-living element). It is not a non-living element. It is one of the intelligent children of the intelligent Father, who catch the versions of the Father immediately. Souls belonging to the other religions are unable to catch the versions of the Father immediately. They are unable to understand. Whether they are Chandravanshi (belonging to the Moon Dynasty), whether they are Islamvanshi (belonging to the Islamic Dynasty), whether they are Bauddhivanshi (belonging to the Buddhist Dynasty), whether they are Christianvanshi (belonging to the Christian Dynasty), they are the souls which come later on. They are not the souls which become soul (conscious) in their life time. They are able to make efforts to become soul (conscious) after leaving their body, by entering into others. That too they remain an incomplete soul. It is only the souls belonging to the Moon Dynasty which take 84 births. They do not obtain inheritance from the Father directly. As they do not obtain direct inheritance from the Father, they would take birth in the Golden Age and obtain inheritance from deities. The souls of Radha and Krishna and all the souls like Radha and Krishna do not obtain inheritance from the Father directly. Anything else?

(to be continued)
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Post19 May 2007

Where do these subtle bodies stay when they are not entering into the bodies of others? Do they stay in the Subtle Region or just floating in the air?

I think that they just float in the air, but I will seek answer from Baba to be more sure.
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Post20 May 2007

Discussion CD No.254 dated 10.02.07 at Aara, Bihar

Kisi Bhai nay poocha: Baba jo Radha bachhi aaya hai, Murli may jo Radha bachhi aaya hai, usmay bhi Shiv kee praveshataa hoti thi kya?

Baba nay kaha:
Shiv kee praveshataa kee jaroorat tab tak hai, jab tak patit hai, jab patit hee nahee hai, ek second may gyaan sunaa aur ek second may dhaaran kar liya, heela havala kuch bhi nahee kiya. Pattharbuddhi kee baath hee nahee. Jaisey chalaao, vaisay chalaayengey. Poori hee moulding power hai.

Bhai nay kaha: Aadi may aisi-aisi bachhiyaan thi jo Mama Baba ko bhi drill karaati thi.

Baba nay kaha:
Haan, ji. Do bachhiyon kee baat kee hai, jinmay say ek may pravesh hota tha, isliye bola das varsh say rahney vala, dhyaan may jaati thi. Das varsh say rahney vala mana Baba, Brahma Baba kay saath das varsh say rah raha tha, dhyaan may jaati thi mana koi mata bhi thi. Unmay Baba pravesh kartey thay. Vani chalaatey thay. Aaj vay hai nahee.

Bhai nay kaha: Do mukhh toh ho gayaa Baba.

Baba nay kaha:
Do mukhh ho gaye, teesra mukhh jo hai, voh Vani chalaaney vala nahe hai. Ek hotey hain bolney vaaley, ek hotey hain bolney vaaley bhi hotey hain karney vaaley bhi hotey hain, karney vaaley bhi hotey hain. Ek hotey hain sirf kartey hain. Na boltey hain; toh teen tarah kay log hotey hain duniya may. Kya? Boltey bhi hain aur kartey bhi hain. Ek hotey hain boltey nahee hain, kartey hain. Aur ek hotey hain sirf boltey hain, na kartey hain, aur na doosron ko karney detey hain.


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A Brother asked: Baba, did Shiv used to enter into Radha bachhi, who has been mentioned in the Murli?

Baba said:
The necessity for entry of Shiv is only until one (in whom He is to enter) is sinful. When someone is not sinful at all, when one listens to knowledge in a second and imbibes it in a second, does not practice any deception (heela havala) at all, when there is no question of possessing a stone-like intellect. They would act in whichever way they are made to act. There is complete moulding power.

The Brother asked: There were such females (bachhiyaan, i.e. daughters) in the beginning, who used to cause even Mama and Baba to perform the drill (of remembrance).

Baba said:
Yes, two females have been mentioned; (Shiv) used to enter into one of them; that is why it has been said- the one (male) who used to live since ten years, the one (female) who used to go into trance. ‘the one (male) who used to live since ten years’ means that he used to live with Baba, Brahma Baba since ten years. ‘The one (female) who used to go into trance’ means that there was a mother also. Baba used to enter into them. Baba used to narrate Vani through them. Today they are not present.

The Brother said: This was about two heads (mukh, i.e. face/mouth), Baba.

Baba said:
Two heads have been explained. The third head is not the one who narrates Vani. One kind of souls is those who just speak; another kind of souls is those who speak as well as do. Another kind of souls is such that they just do. They do not speak. So there are three kinds of people in the world. What? (One kind of souls who) speak as well as act. One kind of people is those who do not speak, but act. And one kind of souls is those who only speak; they neither do themselves nor allow others to do.
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Post21 May 2007

Discussion CD No.254 dated 10.02.07 at Aara, Bihar

Bhai nay kaha: Baba, Trimurti may teesri moorty kay dwara bhi Vishnu tan dwara gyaan chalegi na.

Baba nay kaha:
Hm?

Bhai nay kaha: Trimurti may teesri moorty hogi, unkay dwara bhi toh ye gyaan chalegi na. Jinkay liye Baba nay bola – parivartan kee gyaan hogi.

Baba nay kaha:
Jab Brahma so Vishnu ban sakta hai. Brahma mana Krishna kee soul Vishnu ban sakti hai toh Ram vali soul Vishnu nahee banegi us samay? Hm? Banegi ya nahee banegi. Banegi. Toh jab Ram vali soul jo hai Narayan 16 kalaa sampoorna ya 16 kalaa sampoorna say bhi oopar kee stage dhaaran kar saktee hai. Toh voh Narayan uskee buddhi may nahee samaa jaayega?

Bhai nay poocha: Kiski buddhi may?

Baba nay kaha:
Lakshmi ki buddhi may. Lakshmi kee buddhi may jo Shankar Narayan ka roop dhaaran kar leta hai, aur Narayan banke Shiv samaan ban gayaa, Shiv ka naam Shankar kay saath joad diya gayaa, toh Shiv hee ho gayaa na. Toh dil aur dimaag may uskay pravesh nahee kar saktaa? Jaisey kanya hoti hai, kanya kee sagaai ho jaati hai, shaadi ho jaati hai, uskay dil aur dimaag may kaun raman kartaa hai? Pati hee raman kartaa hai. Toh Shiv ko pravesh karney kee darkaar hai fir? Ya jo Baap samaan bachha ban chukka voh hee saara kaarya karega (sister in charge) karaayega? Shiv-Shaktiyaan jo gaayi huin hain voh Sakar may gaayi hui hain ya niraakaar may? Shiv bhi saakaar aur shaktiyaan bhi saakaar.

Bhai nay kaha: Vo hee gyaan Brahmanon ko parivartan bhi laayega.

Baba nay kaha:
Vo hee gyaan parivartan bhi layega.

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A Brother said: Baba, knowledge would be narrated through the third personality among Trimurti, i.e. through Vishnu’s body also, isn’t it?

Baba said:
Hm?

The Brother said: This knowledge would be narrated through the third personality among the Trimurti also, for whom Baba has said that – it would be knowledge of transformation.

Baba said:
When Brahma can become Vishnu; when Brahma, i.e. the soul of Krishna can become Vishnu, then will the soul of Ram not become Vishnu at that time? Hm? Will it become or not? It would become. So, when the soul of Ram can imbibe the stage of Narayan, who is perfect in 16 celestial degrees or a stage higher than 16 celestial degrees, so, can’t that Narayan merge in her intellect?

The Brother said: In whose intellect?

Baba said:
In the intellect of Lakshmi. Shankar, who assumes the form of Narayan, and after becoming Narayan he became equal to Shiv; Shiv’s name is prefixed to Shankar, so he has become like Shiv, hasn’t he? So, can’t he enter into her heart and intellect? For example suppose there is a virgin, the virgin gets engaged, gets married, then who remains in her heart and intellect? Husband alone remains. Then, is there any necessity for Shiv to enter? Or will the child, who has become equal to the Father, perform all the tasks (sister in charge) or enable the tasks? The Shiv Shaktis, who are famous, are they famous in corporeal form or in an incorporeal form? Shiv is also corporeal and the Shaktis are also corporeal.

The Brother said: That knowledge itself would bring about transformation also.

Baba said:
That knowledge itself would bring about transformation also.
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Post02 Jun 2007

Disc.CD No.307, dated 28.04.07 at Haripur (Orissa)

Kisi Bhai nay poocha – Sakar may Dharmaraj ka part bajaaney vaali aatma Ishwariya Sanvidhaan may kis shreshtha ... may paarangat honi chaahiye? Vo shreshth vakeel kaun hain aur kitney hain?

Baba nay jawaab diya
Yahaan sanvidhaan kaun Silver Age hai? Brahmanon kee duniya ka sanvidhaan kaun-sa hai? Brahmanon kee duniya ka sanvidhaan hai – ‘Murli’, aur Murli kay mahavaakyon may jo jitnaa paarangat hoga, voh utnaa hee badaa vakeel hai. Pehley toh apney ko chutkara dilaavey. Ham sab jail may padey huay hain. Ravan kee jail hai, Kans kee jail hai. Us Kans kee jail may pehley khud ka chutkara ho. Saath-saath doosron ka bhi chutkara karney vala baney. Vakeel log hotey hain, unka dhandha hee kya hota hai? Fansey huay ko chudana. Voh toh had kay vakeel hain. Had kee kamaai kartey hain aur yahaan toh behad kee kamaai hai anek janmon kee. Jitnaa-jitnaa apney ko chudaatey jaayengey, auron ko bhi chudaaney may samarth bantey jaavengey. Uskay liye chaahiye Ishwariya gyaan ki paraakaashthaa. Jo gyaan may jitnaa teekha hoga, utnaa badaa vakeel banega. Dharmaraj Baap ka sahyogi banega.

Kisi Bhai nay poocha – Baba, shaktiyon kay saath Pandavon ka bhi vishesh part hai. Aisa hee chance miltaa rahey aur miltaa rahega – aisa vishesh ban-na hai. Toh vishesh part kaun Silver Age hai?

Baba nay jawaab diya
Shiv shakti. Kya kaha jata hai? Naam kya diya hai? Shiv kay saath shakti. Shivpandav toh nahi kaha? Kaha? Nahi kaha. Shiv aur Shakti kee yuti hai. Jo Shiv kay saath shaktipaney ka jitna bhaav apnakay rakhtee hai, utnee voh aatma janma janmaantar kee powerful aatma ban jaati hai, aur us bhaav may fail ho jaati hai, toh koi na koi Pandav may latak jaati hai, aur us bhaav may fail ho jaati hai, toh koi na koi Pandav may latak jaati hai. Toh Pandavshakti kahein ya Shivshakti kahein? Kya parivartan ho jata hai? Hm? Unko Shivshakti kahein ya Pandavshakti? Pandavshakti ban jati hai. Isliye jab sena ka naam liya jata hai, toh kahtey hain – Shivshakti, fir baad may Pandavsena. Pandav jo hain, voh shaktiyon kee suraksha kay liye banaaye gaye hain, rakshak ban-ney kay liye banaaye gaye hain ya bhakshak ban-ney kay liye banaaye gaye hain? Hm? Rakshak ban-ney kay liye banaaye gaye hain. Toh apnaa kaarya agar mustaidi say karengey, toh ho sakta hai unko samaan stage mil jaaye, lekin agar apney kaarya may fail ho gaye, toh Shiv Baap kay kaarya may jo ki Shivaalay banaaney ka mukhya kaarya hai. Us kaarya may veshyaalay banaaney kay adhikaari ban jaavengey. Shivaalay kay adhishthaata nahee banengey, adhikaari nahee banengey. Kahaan kay adhikaari banengey? (Kisi nay kaha – veshyaalay) Hm? (Kisi nay kaha – veshyaalay) Veshyaalay kay adhikaari banengey.


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A Brother asked- The soul which plays the part of Dharmaraj in corporeal form should be expert in which righteous ... Godly Constitution? Who are those righteous advocates and how many?

Baba replied
What is the constitution here? What is the constitution of the world of Brahmins? The constitution of the world of Brahmins is – Murli. And the more one is expert in the versions of Murli the greater advocate he is. First he should free himself. All of us are lying in jail. It is a jail of Ravan, the jail of Kansa. First one should become free from that jail of Kansa. Along with that, one should also make others also free. What is the occupation of the advocates? To free someone who is entangled. They are the advocates in limited sense. They earn a limited income. And here it is an unlimited income for many births. The more one keeps making oneself free, the more one would also become capable of freeing others. For that one needs the epitome of Godly knowledge. The sharper one is in knowledge, the greater advocate one would become, the more one would extend cooperation to the Dharmaraj Father.

A Brother asked – Baba, there is a special part of Pandavas along with the Shaktis. One has to become special in such a way that one keeps getting such a chance and one would keep getting chance. So what is the special part?

Baba replied
Shiv Shakti. What is said? What is the name that has been assigned? Shakti along with Shiv. Has it been said – ShivPandav? Has it been said? It has not been said. There is a similarity/connection between Shiv and Shakti. The more one imbibes the feeling of being a shakti of Shiv, the more that soul becomes powerful for many births. And if it fails in imbibing that feeling, then it gets stuck in some or the other Pandav. So will she be called Pandavshakti or Shivshakti? What is the change that takes place? Hm? Will she be called Shivshakti or Pandavshakti? She becomes Pandavshakti. That is why when the name of the army is uttered, it is said – Shivshakti, and then Pandavsena. Pandavas have been meant for the safety of Shaktis; are they meant to be their guards or are they meant to be their predators? Hm? They are meant to be their guards. So if they perform their duty with alertness, then it is possible that they attain an equal stage; but if they fail in their task, in the main task of Father Shiv which is to establish a Shivaalay, then they would become entitled to establishing a brothel. They would not become the presiding deities, the Officers of the Shivaalay. They would become entitled to which place? (someone said – brothel) Hm? (Someone said – brothel) They would become entitled to brothel.

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Post16 Jun 2007

Disc.CD No.257, dated 12.02.07 at Chaudmaan, Orissa

Kisi mataji nay poocha: Baba, pavitrata kya hai? Pavitrata kya hai? Aslee pavitrata kya hai?
Baba nay kaha:
Pavitra arthaat shakti ksheen na ho. Aur apavitrata arthaat shakti ksheen ho jaaye. Shakti ksheen hui, jaisey patit huay, shaktipaat hua. Ab voh shakti chaahey drishti kee ho, chaahey karmendriyon kee ho, chaahey vacha kee ho, chaahey dhan kee ho, aur chaahey tan kee ho. Shakti ksheen hoti hai toh kamjori aati hai na. Koi kay paas bahut dhan hai, aur dhan ksheen ho gaya, nasht ho gaya toh hraasment aavega ya nahee aavega? Hraas paida ho jaata hai. Toh koi bhi prakaar kee shakti ksheen tab hoti hai, jab vyabhichaar dosh aata hai. Vyabhichaar bhrasht banaaney vala hai. Satyug may Radha kee drishti Krishna may doobegi. Aur Krishna kee drishti Radha may doobegi. Koi prakaar ka vyabhichaar nahee hoga. Jitnaa-jitnaa vyabhichaar badhtaa jata hai, utnaa-utnaa vikaar bhogney kee ichcha aur jyaada balvati hoti jaati hai. Vishayi vikaari jaroor banega. Iseeliye vishay vikaar dikhaatey hain neechey ley jaaney vaaley. Isliye Baap sikhaatey hain - maamekam Yaad karo, manmanaabhav. Mai guarantee deta hoon - agar mujh ek ko Yaad karengey toh mai tumko paavan jaroor banaaunga. Ek kay Yaad say oonchey uthengey. Anekon kee Yaad say neechey girengey. Anekon kee Yaad bhi kab aati hai? Aankhon say dekhtey hain toh Yaad aati hai. Indriyon say sang kartey hain toh Yaad aati hai. Na sang karengey aur na Yaad aavegi.



A mother asked – Baba, what is purity? What is purity? What is true purity?
Baba replied
– 'Pure' means the power/energy should not decrease and 'impure' means the power/energy decreases. If the energy decreases, then it is as if one becomes sinful, there is discharge of energy. Well, that power could be of vision, the power could be of the bodily organs, the power could be of speech, the power could be of wealth and the power could be of the body. If the energy decreases then one becomes weak, is it not? Suppose someone has a lot of wealth and if the wealth decreases, gets destroyed, then will there be regression or not? Regression is caused. So, any kind of power/energy decreases only when the shortcoming of adultery emerges. Adultery makes one unrighteous. That is why it has been shown that – in the Golden Age Radha will exchange glances only with Krishna and Krishna would exchange glances only with Radha. There would not be any kind of adultery. The more adultery increases, the more the desire to experience sex-lust becomes strong. A sensualist would definitely become lustful. That is why it is shown that the sensual pleasures and vices cause downfall. That is why the Father teaches – remember me alone. Merge your thoughts in mine (Manmanaabhav). I give a guarantee that – If you remember me alone, then I would certainly make you pure. You will rise (in stage) through the remembrance of one. You will experience downfall through the remembrance of many. When is one reminded of many? When one sees through the eyes, then one is reminded (of many); when one keeps company through the bodily organs, then one is reminded (of many). If one does not keep company then one would not be reminded of them.

(to be continued)

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Post17 Jun 2007

Disc.CD No.257, dated 12.02.07 at Chaudmaan, Orissa

Kisi Bhai nay poocha: Baba, muktidhaam ko kaisey Yaad karein? Muktidhaam ko kaisey Yaad karein?
Baba nay jawaab diya
: Muktidhaam ko kaisey Yaad karein? Baba kahtey hain - merey ko Yaad karo, maamekam Yaad karo. Fir kahtey hain - muktidhaam ko Yaad karo. Fir kahtey hain - ek ko Yaad karo. Fir kahtey hain - sukhdhaam ko Yaad karo. Toh ab ek ko Yaad karein ya teen-teen, chaar-chaar ko Yaad karein? Hm? Kisi nay kaha: Ek ko Yaad karein.
Baba nay kaha:
Kaisey Yaad karein?
Kisi nay kaha: Niraakaar ko Sakar may Yaad karnaa hai.
Baba nay kaha:
Haan, usmay niraakaar hai mana muktidhaam vaasi hai. Niraakaar kahaan ka rahney vala hai? Saakaari may aata hai toh niraakari stage vala hai ya nahee hai? Hm? Toh jahaan hai voh ling roop hai ya nahee hai? Ling ko laal-laal dikhaatey hain na. Voh laal rang hee kyon dikhaya? Haraa rang dikha detey. Ling jo banaatey hain, praacheen kaal may jo ling banaya gaya, laal patthar kaa he kyon banaaya? Kaaley patthar ka banaa detey. Ye darshaaney kay liye ki voh jyotibindu niraakaar Shiv jahaan kahin bhi hai, jahaan bhi rahega, niraakari stage may rahega. Jahaan rahega voh muktidhaam hai. Abhi bhi bahut say bachchey ye anubhav kartey hain, jo aasthavaan hain, nishchaybuddhi vijayatey kee lit vaaley hain, voh anubhav kartey hain ki - Baba ka phone aata hai toh sab bhool jaatey hain. Nirsankalpi stage kyon ban jaati hai? Kya kaaran hai? Nehruji, jab bhaashan detey thay toh jo achchey-achhey virodhi thay unkay, voh bhi change ho jaatey thay. Kyon ho jaatey thay? Ye prabhaav say prabhaavit honay vaali baat. Niraakaari stage ek aisi stage hai jo saari duniya ko change kartee hai. Niraakaari drishti, niraakaari vritti saari duniya ko shaantidhaam vaasi banaaney vaali hai. Isliye Shiv jis tan may pravesh kartaa hai, aur voh tandhaari sampan stage may jab sansaar kay saamney pratyaksh hota hai, toh voh tan hee jaisey Paramdham hai, muktidhaam hai, Baap kay rahney ka ghar hai. Toh muktidhaam ko Yaad karo. Jabki kahtey hain muktidhaam, jadtatwa hai. Toh jis tan may pravesh kartey hain, voh jad hai ya chaitanya hai. Sharir toh jad hee hota hai. Usmay rahney vali aatma, voh bhi tamopradhan hai, jadatwamayi. Fir Supreme Soul usmy pravesh karta hai toh vibration banaataa hai. Isliye voh niraakaar Shiv Baap bhi ahi, jis tan may pravesh kartaa hai, voh hamaara ghar bhi hai. Jaisey chotey bachhey hotey hain toh Maan-Baap kee goadi hee unka ghar hai. Badon kay liye ghar nahee hai. Kiskay liye ghar hai? Chotey bachhon ke liye ghar hai. Toh bachha banke rahney vaaley jo bachhey hain, unkay liye ghar hai. Aisey hee sukhdhaam bhi hai. Shreshtha sankalp chalengey, gyaanyukta sankalp chalengey, toh vibration kaisa banega? Sukhdaayi vibration banega ya dukhdaayi vibration banega? Sukhdaayi vibration banta hai. Us Yaad may jo bhi rahengey, voh bhi sukhh ka anubhav karengey. Isliye Paarasnath prasiddh hai. Paaras vaastav may aisa koi patthar nahi hota hai ki - jisko choo deney say loha sona ban jaaye. Ye lohey jaisi tamopradhaan aatmaen uskay sansarg may, sampark may jab aati hain, toh paarasnath kay sang may aakar soney jaisi sachhi ban jaati hain. Uskee yaadgaar hai. Vo sukhdhaam bhi hai shaantidhaam bhi hai. Aur hamara shaantidhaam may rahney vala Baap bhi hai. Alag-alag hai hee nahee. Man ko set karney kee baat hai.


A Brother asked: Baba, how should we remember the abode of liberation (muktidhaam)? How should we remember the muktidhaam?
Baba replied:
How should we remember the muktidhaam? Baba says – remember me, remember me alone. Then He says – remember the muktidhaam. Then He says – remember one. Then He says – remember the abode of prosperity (sukhdhaam). So, now should we remember ‘one’ or should we remember ‘three’ or ‘four’? Hm? Someone said – we should remember one.
Baba said:
How should we remember (one)?
Someone said: We should remember the incorporeal within the corporeal.
Baba said:
Yes. The incorporeal one is present in him, it means that He is the resident of the muktidhaam. Where does the incorporeal reside? When He comes in the corporeal, then does He possess an incorporeal stage or not? Hm? So, wherever He is, is it a ling-form or not? Ling is shown to be red in colour, isn’t it? Why is it shown only red in colour? They could have shown it to be green in colour. The ling that is sculpted; why was the ling that was made in the ancient times, made only out of red stone? They could have made it from black stone. It was to depict that – wherever that point of light incorporeal Shiv is present, wherever He would be present, He would be in an incorporeal stage. Wherever He lives would be muktidhaam. Even now may children, who have faith, and who are included in the list of ‘nishchaybuddhi vijayatey’ experience that - whenever they receive Baba’s phone call, they forget everything. Why does the stage become thoughtless? What is the reason? When Nehruji used to deliver a speech, then even their best opponents used to change. Why did they used to change? This is a matter of getting influenced. The incorporeal stage is such stage which changes the entire world. The incorporeal vision, the incorporeal attitude, makes the entire world a resident of the abode of peace. That is why the body in which Shiv enters, and when that bodily being gets revealed in the world in his perfect stage, then that body itself is like the abode of peace, abode of liberation, the Father’s home. So, remember the muktidhaam. On the one side it is said that – muktidhaam is a non-living element. So, is the body, in which He enters, non-living or living? The body is non-living only. The soul which resides in it, is also tamopradhan (degraded), non-living. Then, when the Supreme Soul enters into it, He creates the vibrations. That is why that incorporeal Shiv is the Father also. The body in which He enters is our home too. For example, when the children are young, then the lap of their parents is their home. It is not the home for grown up children. For whom is it a home? It is a home for the young children. So, those children, who live like a child (of God) (the body of the one in whom God Shiv enters) it is a home. Similar is the case with the abode of prosperity (sukhdhaam). If one creates righteous thoughts, if one creates knowledgeful thoughts, then what kind of a vibration would be created? Will a pleasant vibration be created or will a sorrowful vibration be created? Pleasant vibrations are created. All those who remain in that remembrance, will also experience the pleasure. That is why Paarasnath (lord of the elixir-stone) is famous. Actually, Paaras (elixir) is not such a stone that if it touches Iron, it gets transformed into Gold. It is the reminder/memorial of the iron-like degraded souls which come in contact with Him, then by coming in the company of the Paarasnath, they become gold-like true souls. It is their memorial. He is the sukhdhaam also, He is the shaantidhaam also, and He is also our Father who lives in the abode of peace. They are not different entities at all. It is a matter of setting the mind.

(to be continued)

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