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Post22 Apr 2008

Disc.CD No.413, dated 06.10.07 at Haripur

Time: 8.33
Someone asked: Baba, people talk about purity. Purity is the decoration of a woman. And Baba it has been said in the Murli that the more someone is pure, the more worshipworthy he is. So, please explain about this purity in detail. I mean to say – for example, purity in words, purity in thoughts, (purity) in inculcations, everything. (Please explain) its meaning in depth.

Baba said: Will there be a difference or not between the sanskars of a soul, who has had pure sanskars of being with one for 84 births, who did not accept any other man or woman, who had maintained closeness, contact, relationship in the form of a husband or a wife with only one soul and the sanskars and thoughts of a soul which has had relationships with hundreds of souls in the many births?
Someone said: There will be (a difference).
Baba said: There will be a difference in the words as well as the vibrations. A soul will remain happy for as many births as it remains pure in the Confluence Age, one ShivBaba and none else. And the more one has a connection of the intellect, connection of words, connection of bodily organs with more number of souls, the more it will experience a brothel, i.e. sorrows. So, there is no need to go in detail at all. What is the essence that we should understand? Ekai saadhey sab sadhai (by pursuing ‘one’, we can achieve everything) If we take the support of many, then they will certainly make us fall very down. If we take the support of ‘one’, then He will enable us to rise .

Time: 40.55
Someone asked: Baba, what is super sensuous joy (ateendriy sukhh)?

Baba replied: Super sensuous joy is that joy where there is no need of the pleasures of the bodily organs at all. Happiness beyond the bodily organs. The happiness that we are experiencing now is through the bodily organs. We experience happiness when we establish relationship, contact of the bodily organs (with others). If someone goes to the jungle (forest), then one does not experience the pleasures of the bodily organs; but then what will happen? They will not care for the pleasure of the bodily organs. They will enjoy the happiness that is beyond the (reach of the) bodily organs. For that, the mind should be in a perfect stage and it should be unadulterated (avyabhichaari). One ShivBaba and none else.

Time: 42.11
Someone asked: What is the clarification about Draupadi having five husbands?

Baba replied: Are the present Brahmakumaris transferred or not? They are. They (i.e. the students) go to meet the Dadi. Provide us a Brahmakumari; we will open a center. Dadi provides a Brahmakumari. The Brahmakumari goes and runs the center. Her protector protects her. Then she goes from one center to another center. If she is a true Brahmakumari, then will she be afraid of transfers or will she not be afraid of transfers? She will not be afraid of it. So, the true Brahmakumaris are being transferred. They leave one center and go to another center. So, will there be a special protector (vishesh rakshak) for her there or not? Certainly there is a protector, and a protector is called husband. If she changes four to five such centers, then how many husbands (i.e. protectors) will she have? She will have five husbands (i.e. protectors). But it is not so that she established a relationship of the bodily organs with the five of them.

These are the versions of those who act in an opposite manner by picking up the versions from the scriptures. Our foundation itself is of purity. Those, whose intention is wrong, pick up this sentence. Baba has said that all of you are Draupadis. Draupadi has five husbands, doesn’t she ? Therefore we too will make five husbands.

Someone said: Baba, for the Brahmakumaris, Baba alone is their husband.
Baba asked: Is Baba their only husband? Who is called Baba?
Someone said: The combination of corporeal and incorporeal.
Baba asked: Where is their corporeal?
Someone said: The corporeal is the one whose body’s support has been taken (by Him).
Baba said: Whose body’s support has been taken?
Someone said: The one who is called the soul of Ram now.
Baba said: Arey! So, do the Brahmakumaris know who the soul of Ram is?
Someone said: No. They do not know him. They know the Supreme Soul.
Baba asked: Will the Supreme Soul be called Baba?
Someone said: No. He is called the Father.
Baba said: So, He is called the Father. (But) whereis He Baba?
Someone said: He protects them; so, by changing the center how others....
Baba asked: Does ShivBaba protect? Where is ShivBaba to protect (them)?
Someone said: No. Whoever protects (them).
Baba asked: In the basic knowledge, where is the ShivBaba of the Brahmakumaris ?
Someone said: So, Brahma Baba protects them.
Baba said: Where is Brahma Baba in a corporeal form? There is no Baba at all.
Someone said: Even then someone protects them, doesn’t he?
Baba asked: So, whoever protects, if the connection of the organs is established with him, then is it wrong or correct?
Someone said: No. Baba, that is wrong.
Baba said: So, it is wrong because Baba has said in the Murli, “One ShivBaba and none else.” If a wife has to establish connection of the bodily organs, then with whom should she establish? With one husband alone. And are these eyes organs or not? Can we call the eyes organs or not? They are organs. And the eyes are the most deceitful ones. So, should the eyes, which are the most deceitful ones, be taken care of more than anything else or should she exchange glances with various kinds of men? It has not been said in any Murli. It is the bodily beings who have started this tradition that if you act like this (i.e. give drishti) then it will be called Rajyog. But this is not Rajyog. Except one no one else can teach Rajyog.

No human soul has the power, that he continues to have connection and contact with the most deceitful organs (i.e. the eyes) and (yet) he is not coloured by its company. It is Shiv alone, who reforms the entire world through vision. He is the true husband (pati), the husband of husbands. Therefore all others will take you into a pit (i.e. cause your downfall). Nobody is a husband (protector). Yes, it depends on the Brahmakumari. If someone is a true Brahmakumari, she may be sent anywhere. She may be sent to a country of dwarfs like Africa, even then she will not become vicious. There are all kinds of leaves; there are 500-700 crore leaves. It is a variety tree. In that, such souls will also emerge which maintain (faithful) relationship with one for many births.

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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Post29 Apr 2008

Disc.CD No.435, dated 09.11.07 at Nilanga

Time: 00.01-2.00
Someone asked: Baba says, doesn’t he that the one who improves his Amrit Vela improves in everything? Which Amrit Vela is it about?

Baba replied: As is the foundation, so shall be the building. If the foundation is weak, the building will also be weak. If anyone builds a building on a heap of sand, then will the foundation be weak or will it be strong? It will become weak. Which time of the day is the foundation time for the entire day? It is Amrit Vela. So, whether it is the limited Amrit Vela and whether it is an unlimited Amrit Vela . The connection of Amrit Vela is with sunrise. The time before sunrise is Amrit Vela. Well, whether it is the unlimited Sun of Knowledge and whether it is the limited Sun . The limited Sun causes limited Amrit Vela. So, one should not think that Baba has said for the unlimited Amrit Vela . So, let us sleep nicely in the morning. Check it by practical experience. If you wake up after sunrise, if you continue to sleep (after sunrise) then the entire day will pass in body consciousness. If you wake up early and remain in a stage of remembrance, if you practice, then that intoxication will remain throughout the day. The stage will remain very good.

Time: 43.10-44.08
Someone said: We have to bring out an accurate picture of Trimurti. We have the picture of the Father with us, but we don’t have the picture of the junior mother (choti mummy) and the senior mother (bari mummy). We have not seen them at all.

Baba said: Have you not seen them at all? (Someone said something) Can’t the person who has not seen Gandhiji have his picture? (Someone said – the accurate picture). Yes; and will the revelation take place only by publishing the picture or will you reveal your Father and your Brothers and Sisters through your actions, through your visions and through your vibrations? (Someone said – through our behaviour) Will the task (of revelation) be accomplished (just) by publishing the picture? Then, in that case, there are many wealthy people in the world. Let them reveal the Father!

Time: 44.15-45.06
Someone said: Baba, now it has been said in the Murli that this book of yours will be sold a lot.

Baba said: Yes. Prepare a book of contrast. Tell them about the contrast between the old world and the new world. Prove it. What is the definition of the old one and what is the definition of the new one? How is the old one a cause for sorrows (dukhdaayi) and how does the new one become a cause for joy (sukhdaayi)? Everything in the world is first new and then it becomes old. First it is pure (satopradhan) and then it becomes impure (tamopradhan). First it causes joy and then it causes sorrows.

Time: 45.07-47.07
Someone asked – The fort of Brahmins will become so strong that not even a single vicious person will be able to step in it. So, now the foundation is being laid, isn’t it? It means that it is being made, isn’t it?

Baba replied: A foundation is being laid. Now a new world has not been established. One thing is to build a house. In that one aspect is to lay the foundation. That is laid underground. And one thing is to build the ground floor. So, is the ground floor visible or not? Or does it remain underground? It is visible. The foundation has been laid. That is why it has been said that BapDada has given a gift of the new world to you children.
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. The words in brackets are words added by the translator for better understanding of the translation in English.
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Post04 May 2008

Disc.CD No.417, dated 12.10.07 at Pathankot
Part-I


Time: 1.44
Someone asked: Baba, Lakshmi & Narayan will become the parents of Krishna. Then, who will become the parents of Radha?

Baba replied: Lakshmi & Narayan will become the parents of Krishna. Which Radha and Krishna are you talking about? Are you talking about the Krishna and Radha of the Golden Age or are you talking about the Confluence-Aged Radha and Krishna? Are you talking about the Radhey and Krishna who are praised in the scriptures or are you talking about the ones who have not been praised in the scriptures at all? Are you talking about the ones about whom Baba has told us that the children like Radha and Krishna take birth in the Golden Age?
Someone said: The ones who have been mentioned by Baba.
Baba: Will the children like Radha and Krishna who take birth in the Golden Age be born from the same parents or from two separate parents?
Someone said: From the same parents.
Baba said: It means that if daughter Radha is born from a separate set of parents, child Krishna is born from a different set of parents, then will there be two families or one ? If, in the Golden Age, Radha is born in a different family and Krishna is born in a different family, then will there be two clans or will there be only one clan? It has been said in the Murli that Radha belongs to the Moon Dynasty (Chandravanshi) and Krishna belongs to the Sun Dynasty (Suryavanshi). So, will there be two dynasties in the Golden Age? There will be only one dynasty (vansh). So, the parents will also belong to only one dynasty. And nobody becomes a widow (vidhwaa) or widower (vidhur) there. There, the childhood (bachpanaa) is not such that the child would keep lying in the cradle (paalnaa) for 2-3 years and that the parents will have to clean the excrements and urine (of the child). Take for example a calf. As soon as it takes birth it starts jumping, starts running. In the same way a pure reproduction takes place (in the Golden Age). Will the mother sit and cry there during the birth of a child? No. The birth of a child takes place very comfortably.

So, it is not about the Golden Age. Whatever is mentioned in the scriptures pertains to this time i.e. the Confluence Age. It means that the soul of Radha might be certainly getting the sustenance in the clan established by the Moon of knowledge, Brahma. And will Krishna belong to the Moon Dynasty or the Sun Dynasty? He will belong to the Sun Dynasty (Suryavanshi). There he might be obtaining The Knowledge directly from the Sun of Knowledge. And all his followers will also be the ones who study directly from the Sun of Knowledge. They will not be the ones who study from the Brahmakumar-kumaris. So, Krishna belongs to the Sun Dynasty and Radha belongs to the Moon Dynasty. Will Krishna consider himself to belong to a higher clan or will he consider himself to belong to a lower clan? (He will consider himself to belong) to a higher clan. Therefore it has been said in the Murli, There is a great confusion (moonjh). How can the Suryavanshi Krishna go to the place of Chandravanshi Radha? He cannot go. So, how can both the clans come together to become one? It has become an issue of great confusion. Now this confusion has to end.

Who possess more power of the intellect, the Suryavanshis or the Chandravanshis? The Suryavanshis possess more power of the intellect. They remember the true Father and what about the Chandravanshis? They do not remember the true Father. They remember through Brahma. Whom does their intellect consider the God of the Gita? Dada Lekhraj Brahma, the soul of Krishna. And here, it is in our intellect that the God of the Gita is Shiv Shankar Bholeynath, who remains in the incorporeal stage. So, ours is the true remembrance and theirs is the false remembrance. So, who will bow before whom?

Someone said: The false one will have to bow.
Baba replied: The Chandravanshis will certainly have to bow. And on what basis will they bow? When we can pull God near us with the power of intellect, then will Radha not be attracted? Therefore, it has been said in an Avyakt Vani : “ Invoke the rosary of victory (vijaymala).” Whom should you invoke? The head of the rosary of victory. If you catch the Queen Bee (rani makkhi), then all other bees will come behind her automatically. We don’t have to run from pillar to post. We do not have to seek (mangani: a tradition of seeking a bride’s hand in marriage) at the doorsteps (of the bride’s family) like the Muslims and the Christians. What do the Muslims do? They seek , don’t they? Kindly give us your daughter’s hand (in marriage). (The tradition of) mangani has been continuing among the Sikhs as well.

First of all in whose connection and contact did the Muslims and the Christians come more than anyone else ? Whose rule was there in Punjab (at that time)? There was the rule of the Sikhs. So, first of all they came in connection and contact with them. They adopted their nature and sanskars and their traditions, but what happens among the Hindus? Among the Hindus, does the bridegroom’s family go to the bride’s place or does the bride’s family go to the bridegroom’s place? The bride’s family comes to meet the bridegroom. He (i.e. the bridegroom) belongs to a higher clan and she (i.e. the bride) belongs to a lower clan. So, those from the lower clan have to go to those from the higher clan. Where did this tradition start? This tradition started from the Confluence Age.


Time: 8.02
Someone asked: Baba, many people ask : who will become an instrument to bring Choti Mummy (junior Mummy) to the Advance (Party) in corporeal form? Is it the eight deities or the 108? Can anybody go and try?

Baba replied: It was told just now. This question has been answered in the Avyakt Vani. The Avyakt Vanis which are being narrated for the last two years are being narrated especially for whom? They are being narrated for the eight deities. They have been told : you children had decorated these Didis and Dadis even in the beginning . Earlier you had decorated (them) with the gems of virtues and now you will decorate (them) with the gems of knowledge. Whatever happened in the beginning will happen at the end. So, all the Seniors (i.e. the senior Sisters) who are sitting there, the center incharges, zonal incharges, all of them are the Didi and Dadis themselves . So, who will teach them? Those who might have taught in the beginning will themselves teach (now). There are the seeds of every religion among the beads of the rosary of Rudra (Rudramala). Where are the ancestors of all the religions sitting? Someone said: In the rosary of Rudra.
Baba said: Even in the rosary of Rudra there are nine groups of 12 each, which are connected with different religions. They are covered by the peels of the different religions. So, there must also be a highest group among those which are covered by the peels of the different religions. Which group might it be? It will be the group of the Suryavanshis . In that group of the Suryavanshis , the first eight beads are the ancestors of the different religions. They are such righteous souls, which experience happiness for maximum number of births. The one who is more yogi will be more sahyogi (helper) and will someone who is more yogi as well as sahyogi experience happiness for more births or not? He will experience. That is why it has been said in the Murli, there are some such children too who experience happiness for 82-83 births. If they are more yogis then they will experience more happiness. All the sins of those who are more yogis will be burnt, won’t they? When all the sins burn, will they suffer the punishments of Dharmaraj? They do not experience the punishments of Dharmaraj at all. So, those eight deities are connected with the eight religions. They are their ancestors (poorvaj). So, will there be or not any special ancestor of the Moon Dynasty ?
Someone said – There will be.
Baba said: So, the one who is the special ancestor of the Moon Dynasty must have enabled the head of the rosary of victory (vijaymala) to emerge (in knowledge) in the beginning.
Someone said: So, does it mean that if anyone other than her finds the email address, phone number or anything (related to the head of the rosary of victory) then it will be useless to give the message (to the head of the rosary of victory), won’t it ? If anyone, other than the person who is going to become an instrument in bringing her (i.e. the head of the rosary of victory), is desirous of giving the message to her, or of meeting her.
Baba said: So, has she not yet received the message at all ? All the senior Brahmakumaris are black-marketing (the clarifications) (chor-baazaari). She has received the message, but the only question is about (the message) sitting in the intellect from within. It is a question of taking a step forward having become of a faithful intellect.
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Post05 May 2008

Disc.CD No.417, dated 12.10.07 at Pathankot
Part-II


Time: 17.32
Someone asked: Baba, for example it was said in the Murlis : all of you were monkeys. And the Father has come to transform you from monkeys (Bandar) to the ones who are worthy of worship in temples (Mandir-laayak). So, how can we tally this in the Confluence Age?


Baba said: Have you not yet developed a monkey-like intellect? Only those who are the most vicious ones in the world will become the most vice-less ones. Which animal is the most vicious among all the animals? The Monkey. So, the ones who extended cooperation to Ram and through whom the kingdom of Ram was established are the most vicious monkeys of the world. Therefore, the people thought that initially the world began with the monkeys. It was told in the Darwin’s theory that their tail gradually vanished later on. It is not like that.

This is proved over here. Ram and all the souls which cooperate with Ram are vicious like the monkeys. Some of these beads of the rosary of Rudra are maimed (looley), some are lame (langdey), some are one eyed (kaaney), some are earless (buchey). All are not deities. All are vicious ones. Are there different kinds of monkeys or is there only one kind? There are different kinds of monkeys. Some have more anger, some have more greed, and some have more attachment (moh) in them. They even feel inside: if we hadn’t been following this path of knowledge, we don’t know what we would have done. This knowledge has tied us.


Time: 30.32
Someone asked: Baba, how does one become a firm Suryavanshi?

Baba replied: Those who firmly follow the Shrimat become firm Suryavanshis. Those who follow the Shrimat loosely adopt another Father instead of one Father. They start accepting his versions. Even if God comes, they will not accept His versions.

Time: 30.53
Someone asked: Baba, for example it has been said in the Murlis that when God comes, He does not show partiality towards anyone. But partiality takes place with us children living here (in this part of the country) because Baba meets us after (a gap of) three, four months.

Baba said: Look at your past births. Whatever has been predetermined is being enacted and nothing new is to be enacted. It will be enacted only in accordance to the karmic accounts of the past births. Why should God be concerned about it? Does He bring something from above? What is the necessity for Him to show partiality? The account is already fixed. Arey! If you do not come first, someone else will certainly come first. You came later on. If you do not come later, someone will definitely come later on. He too will raise the same question. OK, those who entered the path of advanced knowledge first of all in 1976 became of an opposing intellect. They are still opposing (the Father). So, is there benefit in coming earlier or in coming later on? Whereas it is the version of God that those who come later on can also gallop “last so fast”, so, are you reaping the benefits or are you in loss?
Someone said: In benefit.
Baba said: Then you will have to make less effort. You will take less time and you will gallop ahead.

Time: 40.10
Someone asked: Baba, the Lakshmi & Narayan of the Confluence Age will give birth to Shri Krishna. So, when will 01.01.01 commence?

Baba said: When will 01.01.01 commence?
Someone said: No, when it commences. When Shri Krishna…..
Baba said: Is there any glory about that 01.01.01 in the history?
Someone said: There will not be any glory.
Baba said: Is there any meaning in the commencement of 01.01.01 after the commencement of the Golden Age after 2036 i.e. after the completion of the 100 years Confluence Age?
Someone said: I mean to say that when it is 2036, then what will be the status of the parents of Shri Krishna, i.e. the Confluence-Aged Lakshmi and Narayan?
Baba said: What will be the status?
Someone said: After 2036.
Baba said:…They will continue to be the Masters of the Golden Age; what else can happen? The children are small. The parents themselves are the Ministers and there is no other Minister at all. When the world goes on becoming unrighteous, the number of Ministers goes on increasing as well. In the Golden Age the Father himself is the Minister; there is none other.
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Disc.CD-409, dated at 30.09.07 at Bombay, Part-2

Time: 24.55
Someone said: Baba, it has been said that we should not eat Gandum fruit (i.e. wheat). And now we are eating roties prepared from wheat flour.

Baba said: Yes, we are eating roties prepared from wheat flour; so, what is its result (that is being observed)? Does the consumption of wheat increase the heat (passion) (garmi) or does the consumption of maize increase the heat (passion)? Does it increase by eating rice? What do people of north India eat? And what do people of south India eat? People of south India consume more rice. And people of north India consume wheat. Who becomes more vicious?
Someone said: The people of north India.


Time: 34.29
Someone asked: Baba, it has been said in a Murli that the souls belonging to all the religions will continue to descend till the end. So, ‘till the end’ refers to which period?

Baba replied: ‘Till the end’ means until the population reaches 7.5 billion.
Someone asked: Approximately by which time do they come (i.e. descend from the Soul World)?
Baba said: By which time? Even up until 2036.
Someone said: Till 2036. So, Baba has said that complete destruction will take place in the last seven days in 2036.
Baba said: When complete destruction takes place, then everyone will return to the Soul World.
Someone asked: At that time when the last soul descends; what will it do after descending?
Baba replied: After descending it will just come and go. What do the mosquitoes do? What do the moths (patangey) that emerge in the night do? They take birth at night in large numbers (and) on the same night they perish.

Time: 35.23
Someone asked: The sins cannot burn to ashes without remembering the incorporeal in the corporeal. So, Baba has said: when you utter the word ‘bindi’ (point), your intellect will remember just the point. So, the corporeal actor remembers only the one incorporeal, doesn’t he?

Baba replied: Does he remember the incorporeal? Arey! The question is: where does he remember? In whom does he remember?
Someone said: Only the point will come to his mind, won’t it?
Baba said: Yes, only the point will come to his mind, but in whom does he remember the point?
Someone said: In himself.
Baba said: Then? Is that easier or is it easier to remember in anyone else?

Time: 42.57
Someone asked: Baba, swarg and Vaikunth. The words swarg and Vaikunth are different, aren’t they? Are they different? The meaning of swarg is OK, but what is the meaning of Vaikunth?

Baba asked: Is the meaning of Vaikunth not OK?
Someone asked: No; what is its meaning?
Baba said: The body consciousness leaves for the heavenly abode (Vaikunth). What? The body consciousness not just minimizes, it ends.

Time: 59.09
Someone asked: Baba, it has been told by Baba that when we wake up at Amrit Vela, we should start considering the soul to be a gem (on the forehead) and start performing our tasks. But Baba we are not able to develop that stage and when we remember by playing a cassette, the stage remains good.

Baba replied: One is special remembrance. That is called the seed-form stage.
Someone said: But we cannot achieve that stage.
Baba said: If you are not able to achieve, then everybody’s efforts are different, aren’t they? Everybody’s attachment is different. Arey! As is the company, so shall be the colour (influence) or will it be any different?

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Disc.CD No.437, dated 10.11.07 at Hyderabad

Time: 12.17-14.17
Someone asked: Baba in the Murli printed on paper which is called the third class Murli, it is said that I am the Father of the soul, the soul itself becomes sinful and the soul itself becomes pure. I make the soul pure. I do not make the body pure. So, Baba, in our advanced knowledge it is said that the example of snake is applicable to you. The example of tortoise is applicable to you. For whom has it been said?

Baba replied: It has been said for the souls. The souls themselves take up a body-like costume.
Someone asked: But Baba says that you will go to heaven with this body.
Baba replied: Yes, a snake leaves its skin. It leaves its old skin and takes up a new one, doesn’t it?
Someone asked: It does.
Baba replied: It doesn’t die. Similarly, that example applies here.
Someone asked: But we cannot reach heaven without the pure body, can we?
Baba replied: If some souls do not reach (heaven), then how will the new children like Radha and Krishna take birth?
Someone asked: Does it mean that lust is required even for that?
Baba replied: Is lust necessary? It means that it is in your intellect that the children will be born through lust in the Golden Age, their foundation will be laid.
Someone asked: No, no. Baba has said that the vice of lust exists in the Golden Age, but that organ will not work.
Baba said: Yes. Let the organ of lust not work!
Someone said: Does it mean that the vice exists in a subtle form anyway?
Baba replied: Not that the organ will not exist.
Someone said: It will not function.
Baba replied: But that organ will not function. That unrighteous organ will not exist. The righteous organs will exist but there is an organ higher than them which is not visible at all. It is called the mind. The mind itself will become so pure that the children will be born through vibrations. That will take place in the Confluence Age, not in the Golden Age.
Someone asked: But the studies will continue up to 2036, won’t it?
Baba replied: Until we are alive, we have to drink (the water of knowledge).

Time: 14.20-15.00
Someone asked: Baba is there no end to the atrocities on the weaker sex (women)?

Baba replied: Why is there no end? God has come. Has God come or not?
Someone asked: He has come.
Baba replied: So, isn’t He the one who puts an end to the extremity?
Someone asked: We read about the atrocities in all the (news) papers daily.
Baba replied: It means that hundred percent atrocities have not been committed so far. When hundred percent atrocities are committed, then the extremity ends.
Someone asked: Baba, it is mentioned in the Murli that Krishna’s parents are not as famous as him.
Baba replied: Yes.
Someone asked: Why is it so Baba?
Baba replied: Yes, it is like this because the birth of Krishna which we describe in the scriptures, is it the Krishna of the Confluence Age in the form of a child made up of the five elements or is it a about the unlimited Krishna? The parents who give birth to the unlimited Krishna, the Confluence-Aged Krishna through whom the Father is revealed, who reveal him in the womb as well as in practical later on. They become instruments, for which it has been said in the Avyakt Vani that Vishwakishore Bhau is especially cooperative in the task of establishment of the kingdom. It means that Vishwakishore Bhau, who left his body, is playing a part by entering someone or the other, isn’t he? So, the one whom he enters and plays his part is the Father who reveals Krishna. And his cooperative shakti (power) is the mother. There is the Confluence-Aged Krishna. They themselves are the mother and the Father who reveal him.

Brahmins are called dwijanma (twice-born). The Confluence-Aged Krishna is also a Brahmin child. He too takes two births. One is a picture in which he has been shown in a palace-like womb on a fig-leaf (peepal leaf). That is a revelation in the palace-like womb, which is an issue of 1998. That is the first birth. But someone is called a Brahmin, a pakka Brahmin only when he is dwijanma (twice born). It means that it has not yet fitted into the intellect of the soul of Krishna that who is God of the Gita in corporeal form. When this knowledge of the three persons fits into the intellect, when The Knowledge of the three threads of the yagyopavit (holy thread) fits into the intellect, then it will be said to be the second birth of child Krishna, i.e. Dwijanma Brahmin. And the parents who reveal him, who cause his revelation-like birth through service are present among the seed-form souls.


Time: 28.20-29.20
Someone said: Baba, they say that Hitler and Subhash Chandra Bose studied in the same school in Germany. In this seed-form world both must have studied in the same world. I mean to say, whether that Hitler will emerge from among the root-like souls (aadhaarmoorth) or from the seed-form world?

Baba said: Do the souls which are named as Subhash Chandra Bose and Hitler take 84 births or not?
Someone asked: No.
Baba replied: Then?
Someone said: Does Subhash Chandra Bose also not take?
Baba said: Does Gandhiji take?
Someone asked: He does not take.
Baba replied: Then?
Baba : Subhash Chandra belongs to the category of Gandhiji (contemporaries). Subhash belongs to the extremist group and Gandhiji to the moderate group.
Someone said: …it means, here can consider it in an unlimited sense.
Baba said: Yes, it can be understood in an unlimited sense. They are Gandhiji and Subhash Chandra Bose in the limited sense and here Gandhiji and Subhash are in an unlimited sense.
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Disc.CD No.436, dated 10.11.07 at Hyderabad

Time: 19.30-21.55
Someone asked: (Can) the children also experience super-sensuous joy (ateendriy sukhh) for some time?

Baba replied: Is super-sensuous joy famous during the last period or is it famous during the present period? It is a praise of which time? It is a praise of the last period. The end comes when the karmic accounts of all the 63 births are over. There should not remain any wicked sanskars in the soul. All the sins should be destroyed. Then the attachment of the organs will end. (Then) they will be called as karmaateet. Even while performing actions through the bodily organs, they will remain in a stage of bliss. But that will be super-sensuous joy and not the joy of bodily organs. The performance or non-performance of actions by the organs will be one and the same If anyone says now that we are experiencing bliss, Godly bliss, super-sensuous joy, then it will be said that they are under some misunderstanding. Truth is something else, which will be known in the end.
Someone asked: Can’t it be possible (to experience) even for a minute?
Baba replied: Nobody can experience super-sensuous joy even for a second. Once (the experience of) super-sensuous joy begins, it will remain constant for 2500 years. It is not a temporary joy. The joy of bodily organs is temporary. And the super-sensuous joy is forever.

Time: 39.10-42.00
Someone said: Baba has said in a new CD that Prajapita will not be called Shankar.
Baba said: Prajapita means sinful and Shankar means the one who remains in a stage of thinking and churning, in a subtle stage. Will a sinful soul churn the ocean of thoughts? Will it? (Someone said – It won’t) Whoever becomes sinful or whichever day someone experiences sinfulness, does The Knowledge remain in the intellect that day or does it vanish?
Someone asked: But Baba has said nobody can become pure without becoming hundred percent sinful.
Baba said: What kind of effort should we make now? Should we make effort to become sinful or should we make effort to become pure? (Someone said – We have to make effort to become pure) Arey, what did you say just now? What did you say just now? Repeat it. What is there in your intellect? You have been caught.
Someone said: No, Baba, just now you have said that a sinful human being cannot think or churn.
Baba said: Only the pure one can do. If the intellect is pure, then it will flyhigh. And if the intellect is sinful, then it will be pulled towards the five elements.
Someone said: I mean to say that earlier a point was mentioned, that is why I asked about this.

Time: 40.45-42.35
Someone said: Baba 12 Jyotirlingams are worshipped. And in a new CD it has been said that all are demons except for the 8 (deities) .

Baba said: So what?
Someone asked: So then, the four (i.e. the last four among the 12 Suryavanshis) are being worshipped; so then how have they been included in the list of demons?
Baba said: Does Shiv come in the form of three persons or does He come in the form of two persons? (Someone said – He comes in the form of three persons) He comes in the form of three persons. Among them, will the person, who is shown in the lowermost section, perform a low level task or will it perform a high level or medium level task? (Someone said – of a lower level) They are the four persons. (Someone said – It means that the Father enters in them too; doesn’t He ? For example sustenance).

No task can be accomplished without the entry of Baba. But one Father is the incorporeal point of light Shiv, who is always a point and He is proved to come only in one appointed Chariot (mukarrar rath). Nobody can say, nobody can prove that Father Shiv is present in him. But it is not so that the 107 beads of the rosary do not experience that power within them. They do. If they do not experience it, then they can’t be recognized as a Jyotirlingam too. They get that recognition when ‘one’ becomes perfect and enters in them. That is why it has been said that BapDada can enter the children. It means that the souls of Ram and Krishna can enter them. But in an appointed form only Shiv enters in one.

Time: 47.01-49.09
Someone asked – Baba, there have been ten emperorships of Mughals. So, then, when the Father becomes Babar in the Mughal kingdom, his empire undergoes expansion. Then will the eight deities also be included (into the empire)? And will those from the 108 also be taken? Or will the souls from among the 16000 also be included in the kingdom established by Babar, in the Mughal dynasty? So, who all will be included in the kingdom of Babar?

Baba replied: Whoever becomes a king, does he first uplift those who are close to him or will he first uplift those who are far from him ? He will uplift only those who are close to him. When Abraham, Buddha, Christ come in this world, their followers come (from the Soul World) behind them. Will he (i.e. the religious Father) give kingship first to those followers (who come after him from the Soul World) or will he give kingship to the one in whom he enters? What has been the tradition (paramparaa)? All the traditions begin from India. In India, does the mother, whose support is taken for creation become a heir (vaarisdaar) or do the children become heirs? (Someone said – the children become heirs) Similarly, the souls, whose support is taken by the religious fathers coming from above, are kept as maid servants and servants. That is why it has been said – Swadharmey nidhanam shreya pardharmo bhayaavah. Others’ religion causes a lot of sorrow. It is better to die while being alive in one’s own religion. One should never accept others’ religion........
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Disc.CD No.441, dated 20.11.07 at Reeva

Time: 0.02-4.35
Someone asked: Baba, my question is that for example it is told in Ramayan that “janam janam lagi ragar hamari, varahun Shambhu na tu rahahun kunvaari” (I am devoted to him for many births; I will either wed Shambhu or remain a virgin). So, where and how does this apply?

Baba said: It is applicable to Parvati, who is the soul that causes the entire world to sail across (the river of vices) and is a soul that especially enables the Father of the world to sail across (the river of vices). “Janam janam lagi ragar hamari” (I am devoted to him for many births) I am also devoted for 63 births. What? If I choose, if I wed someone as a bridegroom, I will make only the soul of Shankar as my husband and I will not make any other soul as my husband. Arey, this world consists of 500-700 crore actors. Out of the 500-700 crore leaves there must be at least one leaf, one actor, who establishes the relationship of husband or wife with only one soul in every birth and does not establish the relationship with anyone else. That is the praise of Parvati. “janam janam lagi ragar hamari, varahun Shambhu na tu rahahun kunvaari” (I am devoted to him for many births; I will either wed Shambhu or remain a virgin)
Someone asked: Baba, it is said, there are seven days, there are seven husbands.
Baba said: Those are just stories.
Someone asked: Baba, does she take only a female form in every birth?
Baba said: No. It is about the soul, which has more sanskars of being a queen, the one, who has more feminine sanskars, the one, who has more sanskars of being subordinate, the one, who has more sanskars of remaining under the control of one. It is not about everyone.
Someone said: I mean to say whether she takes the form of a woman in every birth?
Baba: She will take more number of births as a woman for which Baba has told that you take one birth as a woman and one birth as a man. When? In the Golden Age and the Silver Age. This sequence continues accurately. The balance does not disturb. And after the Silver Age, when the Copper Age begins, then there are two rules. Some souls can take continuously two births as a female. Not more than that. And some souls can take two births as a male. Not more than that. So, there must be some such souls also which take two consecutive births as a woman and then one birth as a man in the Copper and Iron Ages. And there must be some such souls also which take two consecutive births as a man and one birth as a woman.
Someone asked: Otherwise, Baba says that those who remember the Father more in the Confluence Age become only males, doesn’t he?
Baba said: Yes, so, the number of souls, which remember (the Father) in the Confluence Age will be greater amongst the beads of Rudramala or among the beads of Vijaymala? Those who belong to the Vijaymala have not entered the path of knowledge yet. They have not realized at all. Maya is chasing them like anything. Now she has died. So, even among the beads of Rudramala, are those who remember (the Father) numberwise or alike? They are numberwise. There must be one such soul also who remembers (the Father) more than anyone else. So, will that soul imbibe more masculine sanskars or feminine sanskars? Is a soul male or female? Nature is female and the soul is male. So, what will the one, who remembers more, become in maximum number of births? He will become a male, but not in the Golden Age and the Silver Age. (But) Where (will he become)? In the Copper Age and the Iron Age. It means that the soul of Prajapita or the soul of Shankar, because of being in remembrance to a greater extent, instills more masculine sanskars. That is why it can take two (consecutive) births as a male and one birth as a female. And similarly, the soul of Parvati takes two (consecutive) births as a female and one birth as a male.
Someone said: So, this is the balance between the two souls.
Baba said: Yes.

Time: 40.01-40.35
Someone said: Then, when the soul returns to the body after being buried in ice, then will it be aware of the old body?

Baba said: When here in this world, such an accident takes place that one loses the memory of this birth completely. Suppose, the skull fractured, and after the fracture he is somehow brought back to life; but the memory of this life is lost completely. So, it is lost even in these small accidents. (But here) it will be an accident of the entire world. So, will they remember? No.

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Disc.CD No.438, dated 11.11.07 at Bombay

Time: 18.50-22.40
A student said: Baba I have been facing more obstacles in purity from the stage of basic knowledge itself.
Baba said: Yes, please.
The student asked: So, how can I pass in (the subject of) purity? Now I will have to leave the household.
Baba said: ‘I will have to leave the household’ – It means you would be compelled to.
The student: Yes.
Baba said: (The words that) “I will adopt the path of sanyasis (ascetics).” What does it prove?
The student asked: What should I do?
Baba said: No, if this thought emerges in the mind that I will certainly have to adopt the path of sanyasis; it is a firm decision. (The student said something) On which path does Baba want to take us? (Someone said something) Hm? You should pass. So, be firm: we will certainly pass. We will not adopt the path of sanyasis. We will not adopt the path of sanyasis. Is the path of sanyasis a path of cowardice or is the path on which the householders learn Rajyog from God and gain victory over the vices while living in a household, a firm path? (Someone said something) So, should we become fugitives (bhagodey)? That is why it is said ‘dharat pariye par dharam na chodiye ( you may fall dead on the ground, but you should not change your religion)

For the holy men (sadhus and sanyasis) it has been said: who is Ravan? It would certainly be said that it is these Gurus. They show the opposite path. Leave the path of household. You will become pure. If someone leaves the household, (but if) the mind keeps running (i.e. getting attracted) there. Mind is the highest one above all the ten organs. Powerful. Will it allow the bodily organs to remain pure? Will the organs become pure? They cannot become conquerors of bodily organs (indrajeet) at all. The Father himself comes and makes us the conquerors of the bodily organs. So, He teaches us to control the mind. If you ran away from home, then there is no question of a test at all, because the vice of lust is the main one. You renounced that company itself. That is why the Father says: I come as the unlimited householder. So, the Father should become the most sinful one because he is the unlimited householder. Then why does he remain ever pure? Why do children talk loosely? They do not do what they are supposed to do. They should wake up at Amrit Vela everyday and become firm in the first thing. There should not be any other work or occupation. What? I am a soul. All kinds of vices come only when body consciousness emerges. Among them the vice of lust is the main one.

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Someone asked: Otherwise, Baba says that those who remember the Father more in the Confluence Age become only males, doesn’t he?
Baba said: Yes, so, the number of souls, which remember (the Father) in the Confluence Age will be greater amongst the beads of Rudramala or among the beads of Vijaymala? Those who belong to the Vijaymala have not entered the path of knowledge yet. They have not realized at all. Maya is chasing them like anything. Now she has died. So, even among the beads of Rudramala, are those who remember (the Father) numberwise or alike? They are numberwise. There must be one such soul also who remembers (the Father) more than anyone else. So, will that soul imbibe more masculine sanskars or feminine sanskars? Is a soul male or female? Nature is female and the soul is male. So, what will the one, who remembers more, become in maximum number of births? He will become a male, but not in the Golden Age and the Silver Age. (But) Where (will he become)? In the Copper Age and the Iron Age. It means that the soul of Prajapita or the soul of Shankar, because of being in remembrance to a greater extent, instills more masculine sanskars. That is why it can take two (consecutive) births as a male and one birth as a female. And similarly, the soul of Parvati takes two (consecutive) births as a female and one birth as a male.

Does this mean that the male-female birth is not alternating during the 84 birth cycle i.e. a male birth does not necessarily mean a female birth next and then a male birth after that, etc? However, there will be more female births during Golden Age an Silver Age for that soul ?
And to clarify, to address the final balance, it will still be 42 male births and 42 female births in total ?
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Sister Bansy wrote:Does this mean that the male-female birth is not alternating during the 84 birth cycle i.e. a male birth does not necessarily mean a female birth next and then a male birth after that, etc? However, there will be more female births during Golden Age an Silver Age for that soul ?
And to clarify, to address the final balance, it will still be 42 male births and 42 female births in total ?

Omshanti. As clarified by Baba above, the sequence of one male and one female birth continues for 2500 years during the Golden Age and the Silver Age, but from Copper Age, depending on the dominance of male/female sanskars, one may take two consecutive births as a male or two consecutive births as a female, but not more than that. For example, if a soul has taken two consecutive births as a male, the third birth is bound to be a female birth. Similarly if a soul has taken two consecutive births as a female, the third birth is bound to be a male birth.

In view of the above, the final balance cannot be 42 male and 42 female births for a soul which takes 84 births. A soul (like Prajapita) which has the maximum male sanskars could take 11 male births and 10 female births in the Golden Age and Silver Age. He could take 42 male births and 21 female births in the Copper Age and Iron Age. So, on the whole he could take 53 male births and 31 female births in The Cycle of 84 births.

Similarly, a soul (like Vaishnavi Devi) which has the maximum female sanskars could take 53 female births and 31 male births.
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Disc.CD No.322, dated 18.05.07 at Farrukhabad
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Time: 8.35
Student: Baba it has been mentioned in the picture of World Cycle that all the souls are going with Brahma Baba and Jagdamba and the same has been shown again. In the (picture of) Kalpa Vriskha (The world tree) too all the souls are going with Shankarji. What does it mean?

Baba: It has been depicted in the picture of The Tree that all the souls are going with Shankar and in the picture of World Cycle it has been depicted that all the souls are going with Brahma-Saraswati. Why have these two kinds of things been depicted? It has been depicted, hasn’t it? Yes, (please) sit down. When the picture of the World Cycle was prepared, at that time first of all, the picture of Trimurti was also prepared on the basis of visions in the beginning. When the picture of Trimurti was prepared, all the three personalities were not present in the Yagya. When all the three personalities are not present at all, then how can the Mother and the Father of the world be revealed? (That is why) Brahma and Saraswati have been depicted as the Mother and the Father of the world.

Actually, Brahma & Saraswati will not be called the Mother and the Father because it has been said in the Murli – Even this Brahma and Saraswati will not be called Mama and Baba. Why not? It is because the yagyapita (Father of the Yagya) who gave birth to even Brahma was someone else. And Mama had come later on. It has been said in the Murli that – There were some (children) who taught the drill (of meditation) even to this Mama and Baba in the beginning of the Yagya. They used to give them directions. They used to go in trance. Mama and Baba used to give regard to their versions. It proves that in the beginning of the Yagya someone else was playing the part of the Mother and the Father, but by chance they left their bodies after some days. So, those personalities did not remain in the Yagya. That is why the ones who got their title have been shown in the pictures.

The picture of The Tree got prepared later on. In that picture of The Tree, Baba has explained – This picture of The Tree can be understood by the people belonging to all the religions. People belonging to the other religions will understand the picture of The Tree in a better way because people of every religion believe in Adam and Eve. People of the entire world will not accept Brahma and Saraswati as their Mother and Father because the connection of Brahma and Saraswati is only with the Brahmins.

And the one who is the Father of the entire world has a connection with the people of all the religions like, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians etc. That is why in the picture of The Tree Shankar has been shown in the perfect form. He has been shown in the subtle stage. He has been depicted to be in the angelic stage because people of other religions believe in angels; they do not believe in deities. And the people of India believe in deities; they do not have belief in angels.That is why in the picture of the The Tree, there are matters relating to all the religions. That is why it has been shown that the souls of all the religions are returning to the Supreme Abode through Shankar.


Time: 17.48
Student: Baba, as regards to Trimurti, the BKs say that Shankar has no part; he just causes destruction. Why is it so?

Baba: It is because their religion is destroyed. The subjects that they have made; the hard work that they have put in so far, all that is going to end. So, who will like his own destruction? Take the example of a cat and a pigeon. When the cat comes in front of the pigeon, the pigeon closes its eyes (thinking that) the cat hasn’t come. Similarly, the Brahmakumaris say Shankar does not exist at all while the entire world accepts Shankar and Vishnu. Shankar and Vishnu are accepted in the entire world in the form of God. Temples have been built and idols have been prepared; so, they will certainly have to accept (them). And what do they say – Shankar and Vishnu do not exist in practical at all. Let them say.

Time: 19.15
Student: Baba, there was only one language in the Golden Age and the Silver Age; but now there is a language of the south (of India) and a language of the north (of India). There is a difference between the clarifications (i.e. pronounciation) of both. So, from where did its pronounciation emerge?

Baba: In the Golden Age and the Silver Age, language is just for namesake. There the entire task takes place through gestures because the intellect is very sharp there. The intellect is concentrated. The mind and the intellect is not diverted, it does not become unstable. That is why the other soul understands even if someone sends a little vibration. When our concentration too reaches the perfect stage, then there will be no need for us to speak more. Leave the question of someone face to face with us, if we wish to give a message to even a person sitting far away, there will be no need of mobiles.
Student: Who taught its pronounciation?
Baba: Is there speech in the abode of peace? There is no speech in the abode of peace. You children will bring the Supreme Abode down to this world. So, the place in this world where the Brahmins will bring down the stage of the Supreme Abode in a collective form, will they speak a lot there? There will be no need to speak at all. A lot of speaking begins when speech emerges, when body consciousness begins. Then they speak a lot. So, the creation of the scriptures began from the Copper Age and a lot of speaking began. Earlier there was no need of speech at all.
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Disc.CD No.322, dated 18.05.07 at Farrukhabad
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Time: 21.25 - Student: Baba, (the idol of) Jagdamba is immersed (in water) during Navratri (festival).
Baba: Yes, during Navratri they worship the devis (female deities) and immerse them (in a source of water, like pond, river, ocean, etc.) Here, when someone enters the path of advanced knowledge, before entering the path of advanced knowledge, in the basic knowledge, they used to dedicate a lot of wealth to the ones whom they considered as devis. They provide accommodation, clothes, and things to eat and drink. They may not give it to their own children, but they offer it to them (i.e. the devis). Then when they enter the path of Advanced Knowledge, they drown them. So, this is about devotees. Whatever has happened in the basic knowledge can happen in the advanced knowledge as well because when the one true Father is revealed, whether it is Ganesh, whether it is Hanuman, whether they are devis, the loopholes of all those bodily beings are revealed. Everyone’s loopholes are revealed. Everyone has weaknesses. One Father alone is true and what about the rest? All the human beings who are bodily beings prove to be false.

Time: 25.00 - Student: Baba, (it is said in the Murlis that) it is against the law for the Supreme Soul Father to come in the body of a virgin. But the soul of Ram is also a pure Kumar ( a bachelor).
Baba: Yes, the mother says that when Father Shiv comes, He comes in a impure and degraded body. He cannot come in the body of a virgin. So, the soul of Ram is initially a Kumar in the basic knowledge. So, how did Father Shiv enter in a Kumar? Baba has said that maximum downfall takes place by watching TV, by watching films, and by reading novels (upanyaas). The souls who read novels, watch films, experience maximum downfall. So, when the mentality undergoes greater downfall, then the physical weakness will also be more and the mental weakness will also be more. Such a person is called sinful (patit).

What does sinful mean? Retaining the vigour of a woman and a man i.e. the raj and the veerya respectively means becoming pure. And if that vigour keeps declining day by day, then it is called – experiencing downfall. It makes the vision sinful; the vigour degrades, even the body becomes weak, and the wealth invested on the body also becomes weak. That is why it is not the case that today’s Kumars (bachelors) who live in the outside world and pursue higher studies, are pure. There is no guarantee (about it).

Kumaris are also refrained – they should not pursue the dogly studies. So, will the Kumars who pursue highest level of dogly studies be coloured by the worldly company or not? They will. So, will they become sinful or not? They will. So, will the body become weak or not? The mind as well as the body will become weak. In order to study the same subject, the one who has a healthy mind will have to work less hard and in order to study the same subject the one who has a sinful mind will have to make a lot of effort. Even then he will fail in the supplementary (examination). He will fail again and again.


Time: 29.10 - Student: Baba, the souls of those who leave their bodies (in accidents) keep wandering and Baba says that the soul (of PBKs) enters into the same body (after destruction). I am unable to understand this.
Baba: Those who die an untimely death are unable to complete their (normal) age. Because of not completing its age, that soul keeps wandering. Another reason for that is that the souls who meet an untimely death accumulate more burdens of sins. They do not get their own body (soon) so as to prevent them from accumulating more burdens. They keep entering in the bodies of others and perform wrong acts. That is why such souls keep wandering; they do not take birth immediately. When the burden of their sins decreases, then they take birth.

Time: 31.16 - Student: Baba, I have another small question. For example, you told us today that the more we remember, the more sins would be destroyed. This is about the destruction of sins through remembrance. How many sins were burnt during the three hours that we have met you?
Baba: Sins are not burnt by meeting (Baba), but the thoughts that keep coming after the meeting; will you remember it (meeting Baba) or not? If someone gives us happiness, then is the giver of happiness remembered or not? So, the thing that keeps coming to our mind, that remembrance will continue to burn our sins. And the first impression is the last impression. The importance of, the depth of the first meeting, does not remain later on to that extent. That is why there is only benefit.

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Disc.CD No.322, dated 18.05.07 at Farrukhabad
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Time: 33.21 - Student: Baba, what is the spiritual meaning of vibrations?
Baba: An aura of the thoughts and the vibrations of every person keep revolving around him. Whatever the kind of thoughts, wicked thoughts that a person creates that kind of circle of vibrations will revolve around him and if a person creates elevated thoughts, then that kind of circle will revolve around him. So, the souls which come in his connection, are coloured by his company.That is why it is said that just as there is a soul-like battery, if that battery is connected with another battery, then one battery will start becoming empty and the other one starts to fill . Similarly, the colour of company applies.

For example: Nehruji was such a powerful soul that when came in front of someone, then however much that person may be criticizing Nehruji at his back, but when he used to come in front of Nehruji, he used to be impressed by his vibrations. And he used to start talking in his favour. Such a person has been called in the language of knowledge as Paarasnath. A temple of Paarasnath has been shown as well.This is a memorial of the complete stage of us children. When we achieve our perfect stage, then whichever soul comes in our contact, in our connection, in front of our eyes, comes close to our vibrations, it will start to transform. There will not be a need for us to speak more. Now we have to speak so much. We have to run around so much. Only then the other souls transform. It may happen or it may not happen. That is called the power of vibrations. Vibrate.

Time: 43.47 - Student: Baba, widows are not respected here; but why are they respected in the Golden Age?
Baba: There are no widows in the Golden Age at all, are there? In the Golden Age there won’t be any widower (vidhur) or a widow (vidhwa) either. There is no separation there and here in this world there is separation (bichoh). This is also a kind of sorrow. There is no kind of grief there. They take birth together and they leave their bodies together.

Time: 52.55 - Someone asked something:
Baba: The one, who is Bhaarat, becomes sinful by the time he takes the last birth and while being coloured by the company of other religions. He becomes so sinful that the other religions give him alms. Alms of food and water. For example, what is Bharat (India) required to take from the foreign countries during the past hundred years? It has to take loan. Only then can India manage its work. Now there is a loan of millions, billions and trillions (of rupees) against India . He is lying on a bed of thorns. It means that the people of other religions keep taunting him : you used to say that our Bhaarat was like this, it was like that. What is it like now?

Time: 55.25 - Student: Baba, when we sit in remembrance, is it good to play the songs, the songs of God or not?
Baba: Earlier Baba used to say sometimes if our stage deteriorates, if we are not feeling good, if Maya is troubling a lot, then we should keep good songs, records with us. If we sit in Baba’s remembrance and play one or two records, then the mood will become good. That was said about childhood. Now we are not in our childhood; we belong to the Advance Party. What? Now a direction has been issued to the Advance Party you should not sing songs, actually you should not even listen to them. Why? It is because now we are thinking and churning. We tell the people of the world that destruction is staring at us. It is about to begin. And we are busy in playing musical instruments. So, it is like talking two things, isn’t it? So, those who listen to two things like this will not believe The Knowledge at all.

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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Re: Q&A: PBK Murli discussions

Post24 Jun 2008

Disc.CD No.350, dated 3.7.07 at Bhopal

Time: 10.17
Student: Baba, the meaning of swarg (heaven) has been explained. ‘Swa’ means ‘soul’ and ‘Golden Age’ means ‘went’. One went into the soul conscious stage. But then it is said that I get the gates of heaven opened through the mothers and virgins. What does gate mean?

Baba: Actually the gates of heaven cannot be opened by men because the men are tormentors (aatataayi) by nature. Everyone comes in the list of Duryodhans and Dushasans. All the virgins and mothers are not called Surpnakha, Pootnaa.
Student: No. Baba, what does ‘gate’ mean?
Baba: ‘Gate’ means “to control the bodily organs”. It is not possible for the men (to control the organs). If women wish, if they becomes determined, they can perform that task. That is why it has been said – You mothers of India are the ones who open the gates of heaven and those mothers open the gates of hell instead of the gates of heaven. Adultery (vyabhichaar) causes the opening of the gateway to hell and unadulterated vibrations cause the opening of the gateway to heaven.

Time: 34.10
Student: Baba, is there a special importance of the last birth because the beads of the rosary of Rudra possess the nature and sanskars of men. And ShivBaba says in the Murlis that only the virgins and mothers will open the gateway to heaven. The beads of the rosary of Rudra, whether they are mothers or virgins or Brothers, everyone has a masculine attitude.

Baba: It is correct. Which bead among the virgins or mothers of the rosary of Rudra plays the highest on high part?
Student: There is Jagdamba among the mothers.
Baba: There is Jagdamba among the mothers. So, when Jagdamba is among the mothers, she plays that part, does she not? What kind of a part does she play?
Student: Mahakali.
Baba: Then?
Student: I meant to ask that - Is there any special importance of the male costumes (i.e. bodies) and the mothers’ bodies in the last birth?
Baba: Certainly, there is. Is the last birth not important?
Student: When there is an importance of the last birth, then all the mothers and Brothers are the beads of the rosary of Rudra. They have the nature and sanskars of men.
Baba: Yes, it is correct.
Student: But on the one side Baba says that only the virgins and mothers will open the gateway to heaven.
Baba: Are the virgins and mothers who open the gateway to heaven, in spite of being the beads of the rosary of Rudra, called the mothers of India (Bhaarat mataen) or the world mothers (Jagat mata)?
Student: Jagatmata.
Baba: They are called Jagatmata. It means that they come in connection and contact with the people belonging to all the religions of the entire world. They are coloured by the company of everyone. That is why they are world mothers. They do not come under the category of mothers of India (Bharat mata). So, will the world mothers open the gateway to heaven or will the mothers of India open it?
Student: The mothers of India.
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