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Post01 Jul 2008

Disc.CD No.408, dated 30.09.07 at Bombay
Part-I


Time: 0.01
Student: Baba, when someone leaves his body, then he (i.e. the dead body) is taken to the cremation ground for the last journey. Then, people say – Brother, take the name of Ram. The name of Ram is true. Why do they say like this?

Baba: It is said like this because when someone dies while being alive, then what fits into their intellect? Who is true? Is Krishna true, is Krishna the God of the Gita or is the incorporeal Ram through (the corporeal) Ram the God of the Gita?
Student: Ram.
Baba: So, in the end, when the world is destroyed it fits in everybody’s intellect in the end that ‘one’ is true and the rest are false. ‘One’ means the Father of all the human souls. He is the Father of the souls. He alone is true and what about the rest? All are false. So, they say in the end that the name of Ram is true. Now the end of everyone has arrived. Everyone will have to accept in the end that Ram alone is true, for whom it is said – ghat-ghat ramtey Ram Ramaiyya (Ram wanders everywhere, i.e. he is omnipresent). So, does He wander in the mind and intellect or does he wander by entering (in everyone)? He wanders in the mind and intellect.

Time: 02.10
Student: Those who are Narayans with lesser celestial degrees, who take fewer births, those who are not included in the four and a half lakhs. So, how do they receive the title of Narayan?

Baba: Is the task accomplished just by receiving the title? Is it good to receive a title or is it better to become an original one?
Student: To become an original one.
Baba: There are today’s kings. They were given the title of Maharaja. They did not become Raja; they did not become Maharaja, did they? So, this is a bad deal. Are they worshipped in the path of worship? Are temples built for the seven Narayans? Are their idols prepared? They are not prepared. Why they are not prepared? It is because they became instrumental in causing the Father’s defamation. That is why those who cause defamation of the Satguru cannot find accommodation.Even here, they do not get accommodation in the new world, the world established by the Father and complete in 16 celestial degrees. And even there those seven Narayans do not get accommodation in the temples.
Student: Baba, how do they receive the title of Narayan despite the fact that they defame the Satguru?
Baba: Narayan means ‘naar’, i.e. water of knowledge and ‘ayan’ means house. Will everyone have the same kind of knowledge? They cannot have the same kind of knowledge. They are more knowledgeful in their own groups. For example, the (soul of) Narayan, who is instrumental for Islam; the number of people belonging to Islam is in crores, but who is most knowledgeful among them? The second Narayan (of the Golden Age) pertaining to Islam is most knowledgeful in his group. Similar is the case with all the Narayans. The higher the level of Narayan, the more the level of his knowledge, but it is in his own group. It is tallied with respect to others. One is a community of donkeys. One is a community of lions. It is better to become a king of which community and it is better to become the child of which community? It is better if someone becomes even a child in the community of lions. And he would be like a lion; he will never deceive and go away.

Time: 14.00
Student: Baba, what is the spiritual secret behind the dispute that is going on over the Ram Setu (Adam’s bridge) now a days?

Baba: It is mentioned in the story that Ram had built a bridge from the Ram community to the Ravan community. Now the unrighteous Government has taken a decision to demolish that bridge. It is like this, isn’t it? So, even in the unlimited world of Brahmins, the bridge of knowledge that is built from the Advance Party to the basic knowledge; The Knowledge is reaching (from one end to the other end) or not? And are those with a stone-like intellect in the Advance Party floating on the ocean of knowledge or not? They are floating. Ravan, whose kingdom is going to be attacked, (is going to demolish) that bridge. So, does the one, whose kingdom is being attacked, break that bridge or does he leave it intact (barkaraar)? He demolishes it. It is his task to break it. And the task of those who are being attacked is to prevent the demolition of the bridge. It means that those who have a faith on Ram in the path of worship will get angry – the Ram Setu should not be demolished.

Even here in the world of Brahmins, those who have recognized Ram will not desire that this bridge should break or that the bridge of gems of knowledge should break. It is better if the contact continues. They will like to break the contact and we will like the contact to be established. We will gain victory only when they come in connection. If they do not come in connection at all, then on whom will we gain victory and if we do not gain victory, then how will we become victorious over the world? Do you want to become a ruler of the entire world or do you want to become a small Royal Officer ? They wish to save their small kingship. They wish ‘let it be saved as long as possible’. So, what do they do? They break the connection. If you go there, do not come here; if you come here do not go there.
Student: Baba, but the stones of the Ram Setu are heavy at present, are they not? If they are immersed in water, they are now heavy, are they not? And when they become light, they will come to the surface.
Baba: Will they become light? Is it a about the physical stones or is it about the human beings with a monkey-like intellect? When the burden of sins increases a lot, then they develop a stone-like intellect. What? The more The Knowledge increases, when someone goes on receiving Godly knowledge, then the dynamics of charity and sins becomes very deep.When someone commits sins in the lokik world, then one time sin is accumulated and in the alokik world, after becoming a child of the Father if someone commits sins, then one accumulates hundred times, thousand times sins. So, when does someone develop a stone-like intellect? Now.

Time: 18.00
Student: Baba, intelligent persons will not believe without proof. So are these intelligent people from the outside world or from among the BKs or from among the PBKs?

Baba: They are everywhere. Who has the highest intellect among all the intelligent ones? ShivBaba has the highest intellect among all the intelligent ones. Do those who are intelligent keep proofs or do the fools keep proofs? Those who are intelligent keep proofs of every matter. Suppose someone travelled by a train or by aeroplane. Is the ticket that one received while travelling a proof or not? It is a proof. If they are intelligent, they will carefully keep the proof of tickets. Why? In today’s world one does not know when someone may get into a crisis, when someone may have to face a false case. So, if the ticket is available, then they will show it in the court that look I was travelling here. How did I kill him?
Student: They also get false tickets prepared.
Baba: So, that attracts hundred times more burden (of sins).
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Post02 Jul 2008

Disc.CD No.408, dated 30.09.07 at Bombay
Part-II


Time: 32.18
Student: Baba, what are the punishments given by Dharmaraj?

Baba: The other kind of punishments that we get, we keep getting it for a long time, we keep suffering.
Student: Which ones, Baba?
Baba: Any kind of (punishments). I will break your bones; I will remove your skin.
Student: So, what will happen in future…...?
Baba: Yes, you would experience it like this. For example when the sorrow is less, they keep experiencing the sorrow for a long period. So, even in that the time (of suffering) appears to be long. And when the sorrow is more; for example, if someone suffers special pain for an hour. So, does he feel that one hour to be a long period or a short period?
Student: It feels like a long period.
Baba: So, similarly Dharmaraj will cause the experience of punishment of many births in a second.
Student: So, then Baba, the sins will be burnt very soon, won’t they ?
Baba: Arey! Will that period be felt to be a long period or a short period?
Student: It will appear to be a long period.
Baba: A special song is sung about time ‘samay too jaldi-jaldi beet, sukhh may too pal bhar nahee thahrey, (O time! Pass very soon. You do not stop even for a moment in happiness). The time of happiness becomes short. “Sukhh may too pal bhar nahee thahrey, laakh bitaaye tujh par pehrey, bhaag jaataa hai. Aur dukh may too bilkul ruk jaaye, kaisi teri reet” (You do not stop even for a moment in happiness; even if you are kept under the custody of a lakh guards, you run away. And in sorrows, you stop completely. What are your ways !) That is why the years of deities have been shown to be long and the years of human beings are many times more, while it is not so.

Time: 47.05
Student: Baba, a soul cannot do anything without the body, but such stories are told in the villages that sounds of cries emerge from the cremation grounds, stones fall (on persons) while walking. Is this also our karmic account? The bulls pulling a bullock cart also stop while moving. So, how far is it true?

Baba: So, is a subtle body visible?
Student: No.
Baba: But does it exist or not?
Student: It does exist.
Baba: So, does a subtle body have more power or does a physical body have more power?
Student: Baba, the bullock cart turns that side.
Baba: The Baba, SaiBaba with long hairs says – Child, what do you want? Do you want laddu (a sweet), do you want peda (a sweet prepared from milk)? He says – Take this. Where did it come from? This came from the power of ghosts and devils.

Time: 48.00
Student: Baba, in a discussion (CD) Baba had said that 9 lakh souls will be revealed by 2036. They will take the revelation-like birth.

Baba: Does it mean that 9 lakh stars will exist or not? Otherwise how is there the glory (of nine lakh stars) in the path of worship?
Student: They will exist, but Baba has said that 9 lakh souls will take the revelation-like birth.
Baba: Yes, they will take the revelation-like birth. Will Krishna take birth in (20)18 or not? And will the Father be revealed in (20)18 or not? Will the Father be revealed along with the child or will he be revealed alone?
Student: Along with the child.
Baba: So, even here there are two; and even in (20)36 there will be 9 lakhs.
Student: But Baba it was also said in that discussion (CD) that just as the souls of Radha and Krishna, who are children of Lakshmi Narayan, are working by entering in them (i.e.Lakshmi-Narayan) today, so just as it is known today that this Father or this Narayan is going to give birth to the same Krishna; similarly 9 lakh souls will take the revelation-like birth till 2036.
Baba: Yes, so people would understand that this is the original pair (i.e. couple). Ram and Krishna are companions for many births.
Student: But Baba it has also been said in that (CD) that it is not about physical birth.
Baba: In whose intellect is the question of physical birth? Is it in the intellect of the devotees or in the intellect of the knowledgeful ones?
Student: Baba, it has also been told in that (CD) that the nine lakh souls will keep descending (from the Soul World) till about 150 years after (the birth of) the first Prince of the Golden Age.
Baba: They will keep descending; only then will the population reach nine lakhs…..
Student: It means that if we add 150 to 2018, (i.e. by 2168) the population reaches nine lakhs, Baba.
Baba: What happened? Will those who are more yogis give birth or will they take birth?
Student: They are the ones who will give birth.
Baba: So, if those who give birth are more yogis, will they not live longer?
Student: Baba, totally how many people will be revealed in physical form by 2036?
Baba: Four and a half lakhs.
Student: Having taken birth?
Baba: Four and a half lakhs will remain revealed having taking birth till (20)36. But at the time of the mega-destruction, will the seeds of other religions, which are covered by a hard peel, be able to make efforts? Will they become body conscious or not? If they become body conscious in the end, they will die.
Student: Baba, when they become body conscious, they will certainly point a finger (of accusation) towards Narayan, will they not?
Baba: Arey! The souls of other religions in the Advance Party; are they not pointing fingers (of accusation) now?
Student: They are definitely pointing now.
Baba: So, the one who causes defamation of the Satguru will not find any accommodation. He will be cut from the accommodation of the first birth of the Golden Age.
Student: But Baba has also said in the Murli that – when the soul of Ram becomes Narayan…; Today all the people point fingers (of accusation), but once he achieves the stage of Narayan, nobody will dare to point fingers at him.
Baba: So, someone must have pointed fingers (at the Father), defamed him during the shooting period; so they will defame in the path of worship as well. Will they defame the perfect one or will they defame until he is imperfect?
Student: They will defame until he is imperfect.
Baba: So, it is praise of that period.
Student: But by 2018 the Father achieves the perfect form, but in 2036 when they, those vidharmis become body conscious, they will point fingers at that time, will they not? They are body conscious; it means that until then they will not accept Narayan as Narayan.
Baba: It is correct.
Student: So, when a finger (of accusation) was pointed (at him), then the finger was pointed even at the perfect form, was it not?
Baba: The finger was not raised towards the perfect form. What happens is that suppose there is a man and he plays the part of a donkey in a drama. So, is he a donkey? He isn’t. Similarly, a part will be played.
Student: It means that even after taking birth Narayan will play such a part that for the person in front he will appear not as Narayan but in some other form.
Baba: Look, the same person appears to one party as a sinful person and the same person appears very sweet to the other party. Why is there such a difference? It is a difference of knowledge and ignorance.
Student: Baba, how many souls, who give birth (to the Golden Aged deities) in the form of parents, will be ready by 2036? Do only one lakh souls get ready?
Baba: When a Rudra Yagya is organized, then at the most how many beads of Rudramala, i.e. in the form of shaaligrams are created? One lakh, and at the most two lakhs. That is all. They start making it in the morning and destroy all of them in the evening.

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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Post07 Jul 2008

Disc.CD No.419 dated 14.10.07 at Dental Billa

Time: 16.07-16.20
Student: Baba, where is (our) home?

Baba: The home is the place from where we have come and the place where we will go back. That will be called home. The place from where someone comes and returns can be considered to be his home.

Time: 16.24-16.35
Student: Where did The Knowledge of Gita come from?

Baba: The Knowledge of Gita comes only from Mother Gita. The giver is God.

Time: 28.58-
Student: Baba, the fifth Guru in Sikhism…who faced difficulties. On what basis did he face difficulties? What was the matter?

Baba: Which religious Father had do face maximum difficulties for a short period? What is the serial number of that religious Father? Was there any religious Father who was nailed on his hands, legs and in the stomach?

Time: 41.58-43.53
Student: Baba, on the Shivling that is installed in a temple, a pot remains hung above it. Water keeps falling (on the Shivling from the pot) drop by drop. What does it mean?

Baba: What is a ling symbolic of? It is a symbol of the body in which He has entered and the symbol of the one who has entered is the point. The point entered in the ling. Well, who will feel the heat? Will the corporeal feel the heat or will the incorporeal feel the heat? (Someone said – The corporeal will feel the heat) So, will the one who feels the heat, need the drops of cool water, the drops of water of knowledge or not? And even that water, which is a water of glory of God, should be poured through what? It has been shown (to be pouring) through a pot. A pot (kalash) is shown. Who is that pot? A pot full of knowledge was dedicated. They dedicate it to Shiv. It is not just one or two (pots) that are dedicated; many (pots) are dedicated….They offer tumbler (full of water) every day. Whether you call it a tumbler or pot or an urn, it is one and the same.
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Post21 Jul 2008

Disc.CD-303, dated 24.4.07 at Daund-Part-2

Time: 9.56
Student: Baba, which is the number one heaven?

Baba: The number one heaven is the Confluence-Aged heaven.
Student: Will it be after 2018?
Baba: It will begin only from 2018.
Student: Until 2036?
Baba: Yes. The number one heaven will be only for 18 years. After (20)36 it will be descending celestial degrees.

Time: 18.45
Student: Baba, that Brother thinks that the drama is accurate. Baba is telling – “Whatever is predetermined is being enacted, nothing new is to be enacted.” So, why should we make efforts?

Baba: So, don’t eat roti. Why do you eat roties everyday?
Student: No, apart from rotis.
Baba: Apart from roties!; we will certainly enjoy the pleasure of mouth. We will certainly enjoy the pleasures of all the organs. Don’t stop us from this. Just stop us from making (spiritual) efforts.
Student: So, they say – then why should we remember Baba so much?
Baba: Do not eat food. Do not enjoy any pleasure. Who stopped you? Why don’t you think like this about that matter?
Student: They don’t think like that about that Baba.
Baba: So this is wrong, isn’t it? You apply the point for half of the matter and don’t apply the point for another half . This is not proper.
Student: The thoughts are not going in that direction. The thoughts are only regarding the limited. That is why that Brother is disconnected (from the path of knowledge).
Baba: If their part is like that in the drama, then they will do like that .
Student: He is telling us that if (it is fixed in the drama that) he has to come back to Baba he will come.
Baba: So, if Dharmaraj stick will have to be brought, it will be brought .

Time: 19.55
Student: Baba, service through mind is the highest service. If someone cannot do service through mind, they do service through wealth. So, what is service through wealth in the unlimited sense?

Baba: It is a simple matter. The one who invests “wealth in an unlimited sense” in knowledge, then the “wealth in an unlimited sense” also becomes “physical wealth”. What? The one who is knowledgeable here; if someone loots the entire wealth, the physical wealth of that knowledgeable person; wherever he goes, the physical wealth will keep following him. The wealth of knowledge is converted into physical wealth. What? Wherever we invest our wealth, whether it is wealth of knowledge, whether it is physical wealth, wherever we dedicate our hard-earned wealth, the mind goes in the same direction. Wherever we invest our physical power, our mind will go in the same direction.

Time: 20.56
Student: Baba, how should we rotate the world cycle?

Baba: First let us learn to rotate The Cycle as taught by the Brahmakumaris. Golden Age, Silver Age, Copper Age, Iron Age, Confluence Age…... Just now it was said – the sweetmeat would be sweet to the extent we add jaggery to it. The more we become surrendered (arpanmay), the more our mirror-like mind would become powerful. If we do not invest our body and wealth in Godly service, then our mind will not go in that direction. The only way to make the mind, the intellect powerful is to dedicate it more and more for the benefit of the world.
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Post29 Jul 2008

Disc.CD No.433, dated 05.11.07 at Jammu

Time: 24.03-27.11
Someone said: Baba I had heard in a Vani that the children who ask questions to the Father will not be called perfect.

Baba said: Questions are also of two kinds. What? One kind of questions is to satisfy the curiosity (jigyasa). When we go to the service field, we are unable to reply to many questions. It keeps pinching our heart that perhaps we did not give a proper reply to this particular question. So, does Baba refrain (anyone) from asking those question? Baba does not refrain. Baba says – bring out whatever doubt is in your mind. It will keep troubling you within. So, the questions which are asked on that basis are OK, but the questions that are asked for the sake of opposing to bring someone down, are wrong. That has been depicted in the scriptures that deities caught hold of the tail (of the snake while churning the ocean along with the demons). It means that they followed (the Godly versions). And what about the demons? The demons caught hold of the mouth. You had said like this in the Murli. You had said like this in the Avyakt Vani. So, those who catch hold of the mouth (i.e. the versions) are demons. And those who do not have the ability to catch hold of the mouth, but simply follow (the versions), (and who think that) we have to follow whatever has been said, are deities.

(Someone said – we can ask questions related to whatever has been mentioned in the Murlis, can’t we?) Yes; is there any restriction on asking questions? (Someone said something) Is the number of those who ask questions less or more? (Some Brothers said – It is less) And is the number of those who are asking questions decreasing or is it increasing? It is decreasing. Some Brothers are such that – they do not hold any paper (containing questions) in their hands, and they continue to shower questions (on Baba) for two, three hours (continuously). What does it prove? (It proves) that a ghost (soul) has entered them. In a normal situation they do not speak much. When that soul enters, they start asking questions upon questions without any reason. (Someone said something) Do the ghosts and devil souls commit more sins or do they commit fewer sins? (Someone said – more sins) The more sinful souls, which enter, do not understand the subject (knowledge) completely, they do not complete the course properly and they enter and create troubles. They are demons.

Time: 29.40-32.55
Someone asked: How did the squirrel (gilahari) serve Ram? It also served him, did it not?
Baba replied: How did Ganeshji serve (his parents)? (Someone said something) Ganesh also possessed a trunk (soond). Was he such an animal with a trunk? No. An example of Ganesh is mentioned that there are such deities too, whose covering of body consciousness is. Nevertheless they serve; therefore they receive the fruits of service. They have imbibed purity to some extent; that is why they are continued to be worshipped. Similarly, it is not about a squirrel. That is also a living being (praani). There are some who make effort like it. It is shown in the scriptures that when Ram built a bridge (on the stretch of ocean between India and Lanka to defeat Ravan) the monkeys (of his army) were carrying big stones and adding them to the bridge. The squirrel thought – how can I lift stones? So, it could not lift stones. So, it used to repeatedly go to the water to bathe , it used to come (back) wet and then roll in the sand and catch some sand in its hairs and go and scatter them on the bridge.

So, it was not special (khaas) cooperation. But the feelings (bhaavnaa) are taken into account. Whatever power it possessed, it invested it in building the bridge. So, similarly, there are souls like this here. They do not possess physical power. What? If they are virgins and mothers, if their body is ugly and old, from the point of view of body, nobody cares for them. They cannot do any service either. Neither do they possess any wealth. Their mind has been exhausted completely in household, in giving birth to children. They do not possess the power of the mind. They do not possess the power of the intellect as well. Baba keeps such mothers ahead and appreciates them. What? For whose sake have I come? I have come for the mothers.

Just now it was said in the Murli that someone gives one rupee and someone gives hundred rupees. The one who gave one rupee possessed ten rupees. And out of those ten rupees he gave one rupee and how much money did the one, who gave hundred rupees have? He had ten times that amount. And out of that amount he gave hundred rupees. So, both of them earn equal fortune. Similarly, here the feelings are considered. What? ‘Who gave what amount’ is not taken into consideration. Whatever he gave, did he give from his heart, and did he give it with pure feelings? Was it a case that while giving, he thought in his heart – I don’t know whether it is a Godly task that is going on or not, that is why let me give a Cheque? Even if it is not a Godly task, I can say that I had given them a loan. Look, I have this proof.


Time: 32.58 – 33.23
Someone said: Baba, just as a soul enters in someone and controls the mind of the person in whom it enters. Does the soul, in whose body it enters, accumulate any sin (paap) or charity (punya)?
Baba replied: A break is applied on his efforts. It (i.e. the soul that has entered) creates obstacles in it. It transforms the service that he (i.e. the person in whom a soul has entered) can perform into disservice. So, it is a karmic account, isn’t it?

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Post03 Aug 2008

Disc.CD No.440, dated 14.11.07 at Avadi

Time: 0.02-1.58
Student: (It is believed that) in the path of worship even an ant cannot bite without the orders of Shiv.

Baba: In the path of worship it is said, ‘without the power of the Supreme Soul, even a leaf cannot shake, nor can a flower blossom’. Even if it is an ant, if it is walking, if it wishes to bite, it cannot bite. It means that the Supreme Soul sits and asks the ant to ‘bite’. People think like this in the path of worship. But it does not happen like this. What? Actually, they do not know at all that the Supreme Soul comes in this world in a corporeal form and after coming in the corporeal body He establishes such a gathering of Brahmins that they perform every task after consultation (with God). What? Then it is said that – even a leaf cannot shake without your power.

The leaf is not a leaf of any tree; it is the leaves of the living human world which do not shake without His power. But, it is a memorial of which time? It is a memorial of the Confluence Age. Such time would also come in the Confluence Age when the kingdom of the world would be established. Then, all the living leaves of the new world, the new tree would not even shake without His power. If someone tries to shake them (saying) “no, don’t do like this, do like this,” they are not going to accept that. Did you understand? All the proverbs, all the beliefs in the path of worship, they are the beliefs of which period? They are beliefs of the Confluence Age.


Disc.CD No.440, dated 13.11.07 at Anantpur

Time: 0.45-05.03
Student: Baba, Brahma, Vishnu, Shankar – all three have been shown in a male form in the path of worship, but (actually) one is male and two are mothers, are they not? In the Rudramala, a woman is transformed to Lakshmi....

Baba: In the path of worship, in (the picture of) Trimurti, all the three personalities are shown to be male forms and in the path of knowledge two (personalities) are shown in the form of mothers, i.e. Brahma and Vaishnavi Devi and the third one is shown in the form of a male. So, in the path of worship, whichever path is going on – do those who control these paths belong mostly to the path of renunciation or to the path of household? Do those gurus who belong to the path of worship, who write the scriptures of the path of worship, narrate the scriptures to others, delight people with the rituals of Bhaktimarg , belong mostly to the path of renunciation or do they belong to the path of household? They belong to the path of renunciation. So, they have depicted all the three as just men but ShivBaba comes in the path of household and teaches The Knowledge of household. So, two mothers have been shown there and one man has been shown and even that single man cannot do anything (on his own). Who opens the gateway to heaven? The mothers open.

Time: 12.54-14.06
Student: Baba, what kind of purity does (the soul representing) Yamuna inculcate that heaven will be established on her banks?

Baba: Yes, the one who makes the beginning will also bring the end. When the advanced knowledge started, who took the first step forward in the advanced knowledge? Who sowed the seed first of all? Yamuna sowed it. So, those who sow the seed first of all, are entitled to larger share of the yield; those who sow the seed later on, are not entitled to that much share. For example a crop; the crop that is sowed in the beginning (of a season) gives more yields and the crop that is sowed later on do not produce that much yield. The rule of the Godly knowledge is also the same, that those souls who extended cooperation in the beginning in Delhi, they may have become opponents to any extent now, but those souls will remain entitled to receive cooperation from the Father till the end because they garnered courage and extended cooperation (to the Father) when it mattered.

Time: 18.46-19.15
Student: We have been living with the soul of Ram for many births – what would be its indication?

Baba: Its indication would be that his thoughts would come to our mind automatically. No other soul will be able to influence us. If some other soul influences us then it proves that we have been his subject in the past birth; that is why he is influencing us even here.

Time: 19.16-22.30
Student: Two days before Dadi Prakashmani left her body, explosions occurred in Hyderabad and Bombay. Explosion took place in Bombay. So, is there any connection (between Dadi’s demise and the explosions)?

Baba: Before leaving her body she was lying in coma. The souls which go into coma, before going into coma, they keep wandering here and there, everywhere in the Subtle Region . What? That soul does not remain in the body and wherever it wanders, the subtle body can enter anywhere and play any part. And Hyderabad has a special part. Souls of which religion reside mostly in Hyderabad? There are more Muslims. So, one will influence the place wherever his field of activity is.

For example, when the first party from Bombay went to attend bhatti at Kampil, when the first party (from Bombay) went there, big explosions took place in Bombay. There (i.e. in Kampil) the party was attending bhatti and there (i.e. in Bombay) big explosions took place. So, there is a karmic account. And just as the agitation of Jaiprakash Narayan began from Gujarat in 1976, revolution took place and Janata Party was formed and Indira Gandhi was dethroned. Similar thing happened in the Advance Party as well. What? In the Advance Party too, the soul of Jaiprakash Narayan; and this emergency was also imposed in the Advance Party for those Brahmins (i.e. the PBKs) that they should not be allowed to enter, they should not be allowed to intrude; a dispute emerged and Morarji Desai became a helper. Who is Morarji Desai in the world of Brahmins? Krishna Morarji Desai. That agitation began from Gujarat and this agitation also started from Gujarat. So, whatever happens in the world, a reflection of it is present in the world of Brahmins too. Whatever happens in the world of Brahmins will reflect on the outside world as well. They are connected (to each other).
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Disc.CD-359, dated 15.07.07 at Delhi mini-Madhubans

Time: 1.23-4.41
Student: Baba, what is the difference between a class and a Gitapathshala?

Baba: A Gitapathshala is run by couple because we Brahmins aim to transform from a man to Narayan and from a woman to Lakshmi, to make our household like the temple of Lakshmi-Narayan. But a class can be conducted by anyone.
Student: That is why once the topic was discussed- What is a center? What is the difference between a gitapathshala and a center?
Baba: The place where everyone gathers in a centralized way is called a center and it is the place where Pandavas as well as Shaktis gather, adharkumars as well as adharkumaris gather and there should be arrangements for all of them. That is called a center. But if there is a gathering of just the Brothers, if there is a Pandav Bhavan and if only the Pandavas manage its affairs, shaktis cannot visit that place; that will not be called a center. Same is the case with Shakti Bhavan (a place where the shaktis gather for Godly study). Pandavas will not go there because the entire management is in the hands of Shaktis and all arrangements are made for Shaktis there.

But for the Gitapathshalas a direction is given. The set-up of the Gitapathshala should be like Madhuban. It is mostly the surrendered class that lives in the Madhuban. So, can’t those who are running Gitapathshalas while living in the household live as surrendered ones? They can. If they wish they can give the household the form of a mini-Madhubans, but the arrangements should be like that in a Madhuban; then it will be called a center.

Time: 15.20-16.50
Student: Will the formation of kanchankaya ( rejuvenated body) start before the destruction or after that?

Baba: Is the healthy body to be developed before or after the total destruction? Those so-called Brahmakumar-kumaris say that our body will become kanchankaya when the Golden Age begins; the kanchankaya cannot be acquired in this world at all, but the Father says – I am the only boatman, who has come to take your soul as well as the boat-like body across (the ocean of vices). The soul as well as the body will sail across the ocean of vices (vishay saagar); call it a boat-like body or ship-like body, will it also sail across the ocean of vices or will it sink? So, will the body remain or not? It will remain.
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Disc.CD-424, dated 22.10.07 at Haripur

Time: 31.40
Student: What is the indication of super sensuous joy (ateendriy sukhh)?

Baba: The indication of super sensuous joy is that there will not be any dependence on the bodily organs. Whether one gets the pleasure of organs or not, but one would get the inner spiritual happiness. The soul will be joyful. ‘Ati’ means ‘beyond’. ‘ateendriy’ means a joy that is beyond the perception of the organs.
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Disc.CD-531, dated10.3.08 at Khojapali (Orissa)
Part-I


Student: I don’t know anything; I belong to Orissa. Read whatever is in my mind.
Baba: If Baba reads everybody’s mind; there are 500-700 crore human beings in the world and if he reads everybody’s mind, is there a need for Baba to come in a corporeal form? Then is there a need to talk? Then He would know everything while sitting above (i.e. in the Soul World). What would He do by knowing? Nothing will happen by reading everybody’s mind. One can achieve attainments by making efforts. The Father shows the path to make efforts.

Time: 01.25
Student: Those who have a subtle body have more power. That power...

Baba: When compared to the physical body, the subtle body has more power.
Student: Where does that power come from?
Baba: One is a subtle atom, through which atom bombs are made. Atom is very subtle. So, they have more power. Will the one, who has more gross-intellect (dull headed) be more powerful or will the one who has a subtle intellect be more powerful? One is a subtle intellect and one is a gross (dull) intellect. So, is a dull intellect (moti buddhi) better or is a sharp intellect (maheen buddhi) better? It is said that a sharp intellect is better. Why? It is because a minute thing can go more deeply. The fatter someone is, the lesser the intellectual level he is considered to have. Similar is the dynamics of the atom. The subtler an atom is, the more powerful it becomes.

Similarly, when human souls are bound in the physical body, they have lesser power and when the soul becomes free from the bondage of the physical body, when it assumes a subtle body, it becomes more powerful. It can move wherever it wants. It can come and go wherever it wants in a second because there is no bondage of the physical (body). By moving towards subtlity (sookshmataa) the soul conscious stage increases, but the subtle body is also not perfect. The causal body, which is called a point-like soul, is subtler than the subtle body. It becomes free from the bondage of even the subtle body and the one who learns to become a soul can enter into anyone, mould his intellect and return to his own body. That one is more powerful.


Time: 04.08
Student: Baba, why has the name of Ram been suffixed to Shiv?

Baba: The name of Ram has not been suffixed to Shiv. The name of Shankar is suffixed to Shiv. Shiv-Shankar Bholeynath. It is not said – ‘Shiv-Ram Bholeynath’. Shiv and Shankar have been clubbed because Shiv comes in Shankar and enters in a permanent form. It is Shankar who is praised as the greatest deity (mahadev) among the deities. Shankar is said to be the one who makes effort to become the highest among all the deities, all the deity souls. And Shankar is not the name of just one soul. Shankar itself means ‘mix’. It is a corporeal part of mixturity, in which he plays the part of incorporeal stage in spite of being corporeal, plays a part of the stage of subtle thinking and churning as well as the corporeal part.

Three kinds of souls play a part through the same body. One is the incorporeal Shiv, the second is the soul of subtle Brahma (Dada Lekhraj) and the third is that corporeal human body in which Shiv has to enter and transform (him) from a man to Narayan. That is why there is the praise of Shiva and Shankar being combined into one. ‘Shiv-Ram’ is not famous, ‘Shiv-Krishna’ is not famous, ‘Shiv-Brahma’ is not famous, ‘Shiv-Vishnu’ is not famous, ‘Shiv-Jagdamba’ is not famous, and ‘Shiv-Lakshmi’ is not famous. The name of none of the 33 crore deities is suffixed to Shiv because there is only one actor, in whom Shiv enters in an appointed form and that Shankar is shown to ride on a bull. Bull is an indication of animal’s instinct (jaanvariyat). Human being is an indication of the one, who thinks and churns.

Only the one who can think and churn, who can reflect upon a thought is called a human being (manushya). Will God come and reform animals, teach animals or will He teach the human beings? He comes and teaches only the human beings. Only the human beings can reform. Only the human beings can think and churn and repent. You may beat a donkey with a stick ten times, but it does not repent. A human being repents. That is why the one who thinks through the mind (mananaat) is called a human being (manushya). That is why it was said that I come in a human body. I do not come in an animal. ‘I come’ means ‘to be revealed’. When God Father comes He is revealed through a human body. Should Brahma’s body be called a human body (manushya tan)? Whose memorial is the symbol of bull that has been shown in the temple of Shiv? He did enter in the body of Brahma but he was not revealed in the world (so that everyone could say that) ‘God has come’. So, until He is revealed, the entire world cannot accept Him as God the Father. When the entire world accepts him as God the Father; when the souls of Abraham, Buddha, Christ, Guru Nanak, etc. who are playing their parts in this world, accept Him as their Father, then it will be said that the God the Father has come in this world.

And the entire world believes God the Father. Everyone remembers (Him). Definitely they have achieved something from God the Father in practical, but He is revealed by coming in a human body. He came in the body of Brahma, but in the path of worship there is glory in the form of a bull. Why? It is because in spite of coming in the body of Brahma, whatever versions emerged from the mouth of Brahma was neither understood by Brahma nor did the Brahmins understand it. When compared to Brahma, Mama used to think and churn more. She used to go into the depth and expanse of each point. So, the body of Brahma became instrumental only for narration of the versions. That will be called listening and narrating. It was not thinking and churning. Because there was no thinking and churning it was clarified in the Murlis (narrated through Brahma) that it will not be called the nectar of knowledge of the Gita now (i.e. before 1969). Nectar emerges through churning.

For example until milk is churned, until curd is churned, the cream does not emerge, the essence does not emerge; similarly, until the versions of the ocean of knowledge Father are churned, the nectar of knowledge cannot be prepared. That is why whatever versions emerged from the mouth of Brahma will not be called the nectar of knowledge. It is called the nectar of knowledge of the Gita only when the ocean of knowledge, i.e. the Father explains every word of those versions in detail, when He comes in the form of a teacher, when He gives the indestructible inheritance of happiness and peace to the children in the form of a Father and departs.

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Disc.CD-531, dated10.3.08 at Khojapali (Orissa)
Part-II


Time: 12.31
Student: Baba, why is Shivling placed below?

Baba: Is it placed below? Why is it placed below? And temples are built at a height, on the mountains. Is it placed below?
Student: In the temple the idol of Shankar was above and Shiv’s ling was placed below.
Second student: He is telling that it is placed in a pit.

Baba: OK! The female organ of generation (yoni) is called a pit. It means that only the ling of Shiv is worshipped and other bodily organs of the other deities are also worshipped. The eyes of the deities are called – lotus-like eyes; their face is called lotus-like face; their hands are called – lotus-like hands; their legs are called – lotus-like legs. A comparison is made with the lotus. But in case of God Shiv, only His ling is shown because among all the vices and among all the organs which experience the vices, which is the most powerful vice? The vice of lust. And the organ connected with the vice of lust is very hard to conquer and it was Shankar who first of all gained victory over it in the world. That is why Shankar is called Amoghveerya (the one who never gets discharged) He did not gain victory (over it) in a forest. He gained victory while living in a household. That is why it was said that you all are Parvatis and Shiv-Shankar Bholeynath is only one.

That is the only part (role) in the world, which always remains in a household. His household is shown even in the temple. Devotees consider Him to be their Mother and Father. The Mother has been shown in the form of a pit and the Father has been shown in the form of ling because a woman and a man cannot be recognized except for these two organs. The same organs are present in a woman as well as a man. There is a difference of only one organ. On the basis of that difference, the artists have prepared that picture, in which it has been shown that the memorial of hundred percent renunciation, while living in a path of household is only that of one Shiv-Shankar and nobody else. Other deities cannot achieve the stage of hundred percent ever purity. It is the Father Shiv alone who remains in a pure stage through the intellect it the real life despite coming in the world of pit, despite coming in an impure body, impure world and despite living in the company of the impure ones. He lives in a high stage. That is why Shankar is always shown on the Mt.Kailash. This is an indication of high stage. Temples are also constructed at a height.


Time: 17.02
Student: What is the difference between Brahma and Prajapita Brahma?

Baba: Many people have the name Brahma and only one person has the name Prajapita Brahma. Brahma is shown to have four-five faces. It proves that Brahmas are many and Prajapita Brahma in corporeal form is only one. And until there are subjects in this world, Prajapita is present in this world. Prajapita is the Father of the entire human world. That is why he is the seed of the entire human world. Seed is subtle, very subtle. Other human souls are unable to achieve such a subtle stage that Prajapita achieves. Only because of achieving this subtle stage, the subtlest Father Shiv enters in him. The more subtle intellect a soul possesses, the more it will be able to go into the expanse of knowledge. The more gross the intellect, the less capable it will be in going into the expanse of The Knowledge.

So, there is a vast difference between Brahma and Prajapita Brahma. Brahma itself means – Brahm, i.e. big, Maa means mother. It means senior mother. A mother is always corporeal, the one who possesses a corporeal intellect. Mothers are very conscious about their body. Even in the path of worship it is seen that the Naga people are able to live naked very comfortably, but women cannot live naked because they are conscious of their body. A mother’s form is of body consciousness and the Father is seed, subtle. That is why it was said – ‘Aham beej Pradahpita’. I am the Father who sows the seed. The earth has a lot of expanse. It is in the expanded earth that the subtle seed is laid. So, there is a vast difference between Brahma and Jagatpita.


Time: 20.10
Student: Brahma has been shown to be wearing a dress and why is Shankar shown to be naked?

Baba: The cloth-like body is called a cloth. For example when a soul is just a point, it is naked and when the point-like soul takes up the cloth-like body it is called a clothed soul. That is why, just as the name of Brahma; ‘Brahm’ means big/senior and Maa means mother. It means the senior Mother of the World. For example it has been said in the Murli – Actually this Brahma is your Jagdamba, but the body is male. That is why because of being a male body he cannot be kept in the charge of virgins and mothers. That is why Om Radhey Mama was made instrumental.

So, the name ‘Brahma’ itself proves that it was the part of the senior mother, but the part of the senior mother was on the basis of virtues. Brahma had the power of tolerance that a mother should have. No Brahmakumar-Kumari, who remained in the company of Brahma in his/her practical life, has been heard telling till date that Brahma Baba ever caused sorrow to them. It always emerged from the mouth of every child that nobody caused as much happiness to them in the world as Baba did. Although someone may have come in contact for ten seconds, he experienced that Brahma Baba gave him a lot of happiness. And the one who gives happiness to others will certainly have the power of tolerance. No relationship gives as much joy as a mother gives to her children. She tolerates pains herself and gives happiness to the children, but that was the part of the mother of the entire world. No actor can have more power of tolerance in the world than him. That is why Brahma’s part was a very wonderful part on the basis of the power of tolerance.
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Disc.CD-531, dated10.3.08 at Khojapali (Orissa)
Part-III


Time: 23.01
Student: Baba, I don’t know Hindi. Please grant me jeevanmukti (liberation from vices and sorrows while being alive); take me along with you. Make me free from bondages (bandhanmukta). My husband is not accepting The Knowledge. Tell me, what should I do?

Baba: Should Baba come and make everyone free from bondages or should Baba just show the path and we should practice and become free from bondages? Baba told us to practice, consider yourself to be a soul, a star-like soul. Well, it requires some practice to consider oneself to be a star-like soul. It is easy to apply a point. You apply that very comfortably. So, it is not a matter of applying a point. Consider your soul to be a star different from the body; then you will become free from bondages.

Time: 24.08
Student: Baba, these nine (living) planets consider themselves as Gods; Baba said that those nine planets will also be Trimurties. Trimurti of each of the nine are prepared. It means that 9X3=27 stars, which are praised, among them 9 are subtle seeds (sookshma beej), nine are physical seeds (sthool beej) and nine are base-like seeds (aadhaarmoorth beej). So, the nine seeds, and among them those connected with the Suryavanshis and the Chandravanshis; does it apply one after the other?

Baba: Among the nine planets there are planets (grah), satellites (upgrah), stars (nakshatra). So, there is only one star among the nine planets. All the remaining ones are in the stage of planets. Everyone knows that stars are self-radiant (daideepyamaan) self-luminous (prakaashmaan), and the planets are not self-luminous. As for the rest, they may become egotistic that we ourselves are Gods, we ourselves are Suns, we ourselves are the ones who give light; this is a separate thing, isn’t it? Similarly, these nine planets become egotistic and start considering themselves Gods but actually when the destruction takes place, everybody’s secrets are revealed.

The nine planets clash with each other and after they clash, only one survives the Sun. And (concerning) Jupiter (Brihastapati), the influence of Jupiter (vrikshapati) is considered to be the highest influence because he remains stable on the basis of truth. He does not consider himself to be God; he does not call himself Shiv. Shiv is different and the souls that play their parts are different. Shiv is like the Sun of Knowledge and the soul that plays the supreme part among all the souls is Jupiter, who is called Vrikshapati. He is the protector (pati), the Father and the seed of the entire human world tree, but he is not self-luminous. It is the Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiv alone, who is self-luminous. Nobody else is self-luminous.


Time: 26.50
Student: Baba, child Brahma enters daughter Jagdamba; so both happen to be children. So, whatever planning they make, its result is only like that of a child-like intellect. So, should mother Jagdamba not involve herself in any kind of planning and just follow the directions of ShivBaba?

Baba: Well, everything is a ‘should be like this’, but one is a box and one is the soul that enters it. Who is more powerful? The soul that enters is more powerful. So, Jagdamba is like a box and the soul that enters the box is Brahma (Dada Lekhraj) who will take birth as Krishna in the Golden Age. So, the soul has more glory. Why? It is because the part of tolerance was not played by Jagdamba. The name was based on the body because the body gets the name Jagdamba. A soul does not get a name, but was the task actually performed by the soul or by the box? Who played the part of the mother? Who played the part of tolerance? Brahma played the part.

Time: 28.24
Student: Baba, all the nine (living) planets will clash; it means that they will be destroyed, won’t they?

Baba: Either the one who is powerful will survive or the one, who is under the canopy of protection of the highest on high Father Shiv, will survive? All others are like ‘thotha chana baajey ghanaa’ (empty vessels make much noise). A half-filled pot splashes a lot and if the pot is full, it splashes less (i.e. deep rivers move with silent majesty, while shallow brooks are noisy). Similarly, Jupiter (brihaspati) never calls himself God. All other planets, whom God does not enter in an appointed form at all, consider themselves as Gods. So, ultimately will the truth speak fearlessly or not? It speaks. The truth is revealed. That is why, when all nine (living) planets clash, only Jupiter survives and all other planets are destroyed.

Time: 30.23
Student: Baba, there are five elements, water, wind, fire, sky and Earth. So, there will be living souls here (which represent these elements), won’t they? So, what will be their virtues and specialties?

Baba: Don’t you know their virtues, the virtue of Earth? Don’t you know the virtue of wind? Don’t you know the virtue of fire? Arey! Everyone knows that fire burns (anything). Don’t you know (this)?
Student: I know.
Baba: Then?
Student: How does the shooting take place here in a subtle form?
Baba: They exist even here. What does ‘burning’ in subtle form mean? Ram burnt Ravan; so did he burn him by striking a matchstick? Or did he burn his heart by shooting the arrows of knowledge? The heart burns. It is not as if there is a physical Ravan, whose effigy is burnt.
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Disc.CD-531, dated10.3.08 at Khojapali (Orissa)
Part-IV


Time: 33.30
Student: Prajapita Brahma is Jagannath, and who are Balbhadra, Subhadra? Whose memorial is it?

Baba: Ram is called Balbhadra. Balram himself is called Balbhadra. Didn’t you know this until now? This is a pair of Ram and Krishna, who have been depicted as Ram and Lakshman in the Ramayana as well and they have been shown in the form of Balram and Krishna in the Mahabharata as well.

Time: 34.21
Student: Whose sorrows were removed by chanting ‘Hare Krishna Hare Ram’ in the path of worship?

Baba: Whose sorrows were removed? Nobody’s sorrows were removed. Can anybody’s sorrows be removed just by uttering through the mouth? Sorrows are not removed just by uttering. The sorrows are removed by remembering the acts performed by Ram and Krishna, and by knowing, accepting and remembering the one who is doing and enabling the tasks through them, the doer and enabler (karan karaavan haar) People have been chanting ‘Hare Ram Hare Krishna’ for so many years, hundreds of years. Were anybody’s sorrows removed? They cannot be removed at all. The sorrows are not removed just by chanting. Who enabled Ram and Krishna to perform those acts? The sorrows are removed by recognizing and remembering the one who enabled them to perform the actions, the one who performed the actions.

Time: 35.45
Student: Baba, Baba said, ‘Nobody calls me in the new world, they do not care about me either’. So, Baba revealed the secret about it that when the new heavenly gathering was to be set-up in the beginning, did anyone remember the soul of Ram at that time? They did not. So, Baba, now the gathering, i.e. NS, which is prepared in the end, the soul of Ram is itself preparing everything in it.

Baba: The new gathering (naya sangathan) which is being talked about now, ‘You Brahmin children have been given a gift of new world’. This is the foundation of the new world; it is not new world. If a house is built, then first of all its foundation is laid. That foundation is not a new world in itself, but it is the foundation of the new world. Foundation is always laid by digging deep into the land. So, foundation is a different subject. The foundation of the new world has been laid, but the new world has not been created. It will be called new world when the head of the rosary of victory (vijaymala) arrives.
Student: So, Baba, after the foundation is laid, when the gathering of the new world is completely ready, then the maker, i.e. the soul of Ram himself is present in the form of a backbone, isn’t he?
Baba: The Father reveals the children in the world. Son shows Father, Father shows sons. So, who is more powerful between the two? The Father or sons? The Father is more powerful. That is why He will reveal the children in front of the world. He will not reveal Himself. ‘The hidden hero reveals in the end’. The Father’s revelation will take place in the end.
Student: What is meant by (Baba’s words that) ‘I am not even called, nobody cares for me either’?
Baba: It means that when the pure ones (khaalsaa) will rule over the entire world, when there will be a rule of female deities (devis), at that time Father Ram will become incognito. That is why even today in the world when the female deities (devis) are worshipped, then they do shout the slogans of ‘jai mata dee, jai mata dee’ (victory to the mother), but nobody remembers that there is also a Father behind the Mother. So, the Father will observe in an incognito way and the rule of the shaktis will continue in the same way as the shaktis ruled in the basic (world of BKs) after Brahma Baba left his body. That was a very small form and now a very huge form (of that rule) is going to come in front of the world.
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Disc.CD-531, dated10.3.08 at Khojapali (Orissa)
Part-V


Time: 38.44
Student: Baba, ten heads of Ravan are shown, aren’t they? It is said in the basic (knowledge) that the ten vices are the ten heads of Ravan and in the advance (knowledge) it is said that the body made up of five elements and the five vices are called the ten-headed Ravan. How will the body made up of five elements be vicious?

Baba: Five elements mean corporeal Earth, water, wind, fire and sky, these five elements, which are believed to be the five elements of the body. The body is symbolic of body consciousness. Body consciousness means mother. In other words call it Mandodari (wife of Ravan in the epic Ramayana). How many forms of Mandodari are there? Earth, water, wind, fire and sky. They have a dull stomach (mand udar). Udar means stomach. It means that their stomach-like intellect is weak. They do not have a sharp intellect. When compared to them the five heads of Ravan have a sharper intellect, which are called the five vices. Lust, anger, greed, attachment and ego, these five vices are present in a male and represent the masculine form (of Ravan) and the five elements are the feminine form (of Maya-Ravan). These ten together constitute the heads of Ravan.

The male forms are the forms of the Father. They are the seeds. The Father is called seed and Mandodari is in the form of mother. Ram himself becomes Ravan and Krishna himself becomes Kansa. In this way the forms of Ravan are lust, anger, greed, attachment and ego and Krishna, who plays a part in the form of a mother, who plays a part in the form of Brahma, who plays a part in the form of Jagdamba. She is the form of mother, earth, water, wind, fire and sky. These become the ten forms of Ravan. Are these ten forms a memorial of the last period of the Iron Age or a memorial of the beginning of the Golden Age? They are memorials of the end of the Iron Age. In the beginning of the Golden Age their form changes.


Time: 41.45
Student: Why do people seek wealth from Lakshmi?

Baba: People fulfil all their desires from Jagdamba and they seek only wealth from Lakshmi. So, who seems better? Do they like Jagdamba more or Lakshmi more? Arey! Jagdamba fulfils all the desires and Lakshmi fulfils only the desire for wealth. So, who is better?
Student: Jagdamba.
Baba: We like Jagdamba very much because she fulfils all the desires, but whatever Lakshmi gives us, where does she bring it from? Is Lakshmi a widow or a married woman? She is a married woman. So, from where does she give?
Student: She obtains it from Narayan.
Baba: She obtains it from Narayan and then gives it (to others) and where does Narayan obtain it from? He obtains it from Father Shiv. So, Lakshmi gives only something given by the Father and she feels and says, whatever else I have is garbage. I will not give it to you. So, is Jagdamba better or Lakshmi better?
Student: Jagdamba.
Baba: You like Jagdamba. Arey! Among all the desires that are fulfilled, there is only one righteous desire; you should obtain the fruit of knowledge, i.e. (meet) God. What should you get? You should meet God. When you find God, you get everything. If all other desires are fulfilled and if you do not find God, then what is the use? That is why it has been said that those who live with me are unable to recognize me. Jagdamba maintains the company and lives with God for a long time, but she is unable to recognize God; that is why she plays the part of Mahakali; she drifts far away and Lakshmi does not live with God for a long time. The meeting takes place only in the end for some time, and she recognizes God. So, who achieves more attainments?

Jagdamba enjoys the meeting with God in practical corporeal form for a long time. So, her memorial is prepared. A very big fair of Jagdamba is organized. It is a memorial of what? She has enjoyed the meeting (with God) for a long period; so its memorial is the fair of Jagdamba. Such a big fair of any other deity is not organized. But which achievement did she become deprived of? She became deprived of the attainment of recognizing God
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Note: The words in italics are Hindi words. Some words have been added in the brackets by the translator for better understanding of the translation.
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Disc.CD-531, dated10.3.08 at Khojapali (Orissa)
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Time: 54.05
Student: Baba, the deities sitting around Shankar are called Rudragan.

Baba: Doesn’t Parvati sit beside him?
Student: Except Parvati.
Baba: OK, continue.
Student: So, does Parvati not become the daughter of Father Rudra? Why is Parvati left out?
Baba: Parvati comes from the Moon Dynasty (Chandravansh). She does not come from the Sun Dynasty (Suryavansh). The Suryavanshi beads are the beads of the Rudramala, they are the children of Shiv. The beads of Rudramala are all children of Shiv. They are Suryavanshi children. Among them none belongs to the Moon Dynasty. And where does Parvati or Radha come from? She comes from the Moon Dynasty.

Time: 55.10
Student: Baba, Parvati will have to first assume the form of Rudra, won’t she? After that she will attain perfection. First of all everyone will have to assume a form of Rudra, won’t they? Because in order to achieve perfection....

Baba: Parvati attains a form of Rudra in a sense that she sacrifices her body consciousness in the Yagya. Sacrificing the body consciousness is the biggest sacrifice.

Time: 55.54
Student: Baba, will efforts end in June, 2008?

Baba: Making guesses is harmful.
Student: It has been said in a cassette.
Baba: It has not been said in any cassette that it will happen like this in June, 2008. In which cassette has it been told? Will you tell the date, etc.?
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Disc.CD-412, dated 5.10.07 at Calcutta

Time: 30.10-34.38
Student: Baba, Shivaji’s part (i.e. role) which has been shown in the history and his wonders; is that the Father’s part?

Baba: It is depicted about Shivaji that the greatest emperor of the Mughal sultanate in India was Aurangazeb. He was a hard nut to crack even for that emperor Aurangazeb and he did not come under his control. Even an emperor like Aurangazeb got defeated by Shivaji. He (i.e. Aurangzeb) attacked him so many times, and was almost captured but he slipped out of his captivity. Does the shooting of that soul take place in the Confluence-Aged world of Brahmins or not? It takes place. What is the specialty? There was an army of the Muslims (i.e. Mughals) numbering lakhs and in comparison to it the army of Shivaji was just handful. It has been shown in the scriptures that on the one side were the five Pandavas and on the other hand were the unlimited Yadavas and Kauravas. Even so who emerged victorious? The five Pandavas, the handful of Pandavas emerged victorious.

In which art was Shivaji an expert? (Someone said – Swordsmanship (in using the sword)) Did he have any art? (Someone said – Swordsmanship) Arey, even the Muslims are expert swordsmen. He was expert in building forts. What? It means that he was very strong in building the fort-like gatherings and also in getting it built. He used to build forts within no time. And the army of Muslims used to be unable to do anything in that fort. He used to build such a fort in which the first thing to be built used to be the tunnel (surang). By chance, if the fort is required to be vacated, then nobody will know how they sneaked out of the tunnel? They (i.e. the enemies) would neither find the queens nor did they find the kings. So, he had this specialty of building forts. No other king in the history had the power of building forts that Shivaji possessed. The forts built by him can be seen in a dilapidated condition even today in the Indian region.

Student: Baba, what was Shivaji’s next part in the history?
Baba: What is this? Should the history of each one be narrated? If he is a hero actor, he will play the part of a hero only. Wherever, in whichever birth he will play a part, he will certainly play the part of a hero in his group. Hero is always a hero . (Someone said – So, that is the Father’s part , isn’t it?)
Student: What does ‘surang’ (tunnel) mean?
Baba: Cave (gufaa). It is said about the Pandavas that a tact was adopted to burn the Pandavas in the Lac building, but the Pandavas dug a tunnel within the fort.
Student: Baba, what does it mean in an unlimited sense?
Baba: A secret place. A secret path. A secret path, which is not known to anyone.

Time: 45.35-49.45
Student: When Shiv, Ram, Krishna become seed-form, then do they stop thinking completely or do they communicate with each other to some extent?

Baba: Among the 500 crore effort-makers, among the numberwise effortmakers there is one shrewd group as well, for whom BapDada has given a Shrimat that – become corporeal just now, then become subtle in a moment and become incorporeal the next moment. Will there be a list of those who attain that incorporeal stage or not? That soul of Ram should be number one in that list. He should attain the incorporeal, thoughtless stage whenever he wishes and its proof would be that whoever keeps the company of that soul, if that soul belongs to his clan, then he will experience that he too has become thoughtless. Whether one comes in contact through phone, whether one comes in relationship through the body, he will certainly experience it for a few moments. He will certainly become thoughtless.
Student: That is alright Baba. What I said was that there are three souls, i.e. Shiv, Ram and Krishna in the middle of the forehead of the soul of Ram and all the three souls are in a seed-form stage, but when they are in a seed-form stage, do they remain completely thoughtless or do they communicate with each other amongst themselves internally?
Baba: If thoughts are created within, then is it a subtle stage or an incorporeal stage? It will be said to be subtle.
Student: So, that means all three are together. There is no communication. They remain silent.
Baba: What is the need? Are better vibrations created in an incorporeal stage or in a subtle stage or in a corporeal stage? Very good vibrations are created in an incorporeal stage. Automatic service takes place.
Student: But ShivBaba will give directions to the soul of Krishna, that you go there, go here, won’t he? (Go and) play the part (by entering) in the 1000 arms. Play a part like this, play a part like that. Will he not be required to speak all this?
Baba: It was said just now, wasn’t it? Is the soul of Krishna subtle, incorporeal or corporeal in its original form? Do those who are subtle, require to speak? Do those who are subtle bodied souls require to speak? No. They have to understand only through thoughts.
Student: Thoughts are created through mind, but ShivBaba is in a seed-form. So, if these thoughts need to give some information , will he give it through the intellect.
Baba: Is the soul of Ram not present alongside?
Student: The soul of Ram is also accompanying, but it is in a seed-form stage.
Baba: So, what ? So, whenever he wishes he can become subtle in a second. (Someone said – Within?) Then what? Should he come out?
Student: When the stage is seed-form, then that means that they can become subtle in between?
Baba: They can become subtle in a second, and corporeal in a second and incorporeal in a second.
Student: That means that they can become corporeal, subtle and incorporeal internally?
Baba: Yes.
Student: Is there no communication in the Supreme Abode?
Baba: Yes, there it is a Supreme Abode for 5000 years and here what is the limit for the Supreme Abode? For how many years can the Supreme Abode exist at the least? The Supreme Abode can be said to exist (here) even for a second.
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