Why not just one Murli?

So why not just have one Murli and be done with it? May I remind you it was through the intensive work, churning and research of Murlis done by Veerendra Dev Dixit that lead to the PBKs, whilst BKs were telling him not to bother, just like you are doing now. Think about it ...

Why not. If we believe the Murli why not believe what is written /spoken/ inside. It is even said that even if you hear one word from me you’ll go to heaven. You know Murlis are often overlooked. It is not to maintain the idea that we should not study, but if one does not understand from one Murli who teaches, what will be the chance for him to understand after he studies all of them.

There are many who have studied all of them there are also these that have listened them face to face, and when they have not received salvation, why would we - those who come later when circumstance are worse and read it on paper receive salvation. Even Dadis say now the quality of the students is less and the discipline etc. is down etc. Paper Murli does not give salvation. It is said it cannot be called nectar of knowledge. Nectar comes up when churning takes place.

However BapDada says that now it is a good time we have come. We have come in a peaceful time and have the opportunity to study. The butter is already churned. We don’t have to churn. We have not come in the time of churning. We have come in the time of eating. In one Murli it says now your stumbling from door to door has stopped for half The Cycle. We should get excluded from the list of seekers and come into the list of those having found.

See even in the broad drama, degradation starts when Krishna sits on the throne. And through whom and when is there upliftment. It is through the confluence aged Lakshmi and Narayan. We study from the spiritual Father who cannot be seen through these eyes and not the soul of Ram or Krishna. This spiritual Father himself does not need holding a book/scripture in his hand. He is the ocean of knowledge. It is the soul of Krishna that studies. /in the body of Baba Virendra Dev Dixit/ And it is the soul of Shiva who teaches and gives clarifications.

This task cannot be of any ordinary human being. Not everyione can do it. No soul can stop this task of Father-Teacher-Satguru. Who else can explain. If you check you will find that everything /clarifications, answers/ is according to the Murli.

Sakar Murli 30/03/04

You claim that status with the power of this study. In the morning all of you Brothers sit in remembrance of the Father. That is the subject of remembrance. Then the Murli conducted and that is a subject of the study. The main thing is Yoga and the study. It is also called Gyan and vigyan. This is the Gyan-Vigyan Bhawan where the Father comes and teaches you. You receive The Knowledge of the whole world through Gyan. Vigyan means you stay in Yoga through which you become pure.

Andrey, why are you trying to lead souls astray by taking away emphasis of study?

Even in the quote you quote it is said that the Father comes and teaches us. Are the paper Murlis your Father. Are you a peice of paper? We are souls so we need to study from the Spiritual Father, the Father of the soul.

Even in the quote you quote it is said that the Father comes and teaches us. Are the paper Murlis your Father. Are you a peace of paper? We are souls so we need to study from the Spiritual Father, the Father of the soul.

So why aren't you in India doing just that?

So, he is somewhere in a body in India is he?

So, he is somewhere in a body in India is he?

If you believe Virendra Dev Dixit is the Chariot of Shiva, then that is where you should be if you are to practice what you are preaching. Which is, there is no point studying from Murli paper but should go directly to the 'horses mouth' so to speak. Why aren't you doing it?

Why should i be there? There are accounts to settle here. We are unhappy children of the Father who is himself the remover of sorrow and bestower of happiness. We are the poor children of the master of the world. We cannot even always maintain the connection of the intellect due to the darkness of ignorance.

Did I say one should go there and study directly? You say. I say whom to study from and where to focus our attention to. One can even not be able to go and listen to the Murli face to face, one can not even have seen the face or listened to much words, but there are no boundaries to the mind and intellect. There is no benefit to listen face to face if the intellect is somewhere else. But now it is possible to study wherever you are and for the practice of concentration there are no expenses at all.

We also like benefit to all souls. We like to take all souls to Shantidham. Baba says he has come to take all human beings back. He wishes all the billions of children to come into his lap but he cannot do anything for our accounts. In a recent Avyakt Vani it came that ... the Father feels mercy seeing the children laboring, however he understands that whatever one does he'll reap the reward, so if the Father does instead of children he'll take the share ... will ShivBaba take share? Then who is this Father who takes share?

Baba says those who recognise will not lose time, they would run to meet. No one would be able to stop them. If the faith that the Father who transfroms sinful ones into pure ones has come fits in the intellect of someone his intellect is transformed in a second. It cannot be that one likes to meet the Father and does not have money. The Father will ask ... you knew the Father and did not come to meet for so long ... If you have not gone, does it mean you don't believe Virendra Dev Dixit to be the Chariot of Shiva?

Extracts of ShivBaba’s Murli [via Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit ] – as narrated to the PBKs

VCD* No.262, AUDIO CASSETTE NO.743, DATED 25.7.05, KHAMGAON

CLARIFICATION OF Murli DATED 11.10.66

No.VCD*.262-Part-V-English

That is why whoever realizes God by examining every point on the basis of whatever knowledge that God comes and narrates, i.e. those who recognize through the third eye of intellect, those who do not accept just on the basis of anybody’s versions, would only recognize in the true sense.

Posted on 21st Feb in the PBK thread. Extracts of ShivBaba's Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs - link

Extracts of ShivBaba’s Murli [via Baba Veerendra Dev Dixit ] – as narrated to the PBKs

VCD* No.262, AUDIO CASSETTE NO.743, DATED 25.7.05, KHAMGAON

CLARIFICATION OF Murli DATED 11.10.66

No.VCD*.262-Part-V-English

So then where is the final Chariot?

Posted on 21st Feb in the PBK thread. Extracts of ShivBaba's Murlis - as narrated to the PBKs- link.

Why not. If we believe the Murli why not believe what is written /spoken/ inside. It is even said that even if you hear one word from me you’ll go to heaven. You know Murlis are often overlooked.

Dear andrey Bhai.

If everyone who hears from the mouth of Baba, is supposed to go to heaven in this birth, then why PBKs are still leaving their bodies untimely; one has to ask this logical query himself and see what your logic answers.

Which Murlis are being overlooked by PBKs??? Is it not the paper Murlis of Shivbap??(which contain the whole truth in code form.)

shivsena.

It is different heaven in Confluence Age and Golden Age. To arrive to the stage of soul-conciousness is to go to heaven. In the Murlis it is said that we'll complete the study and destrution will start. Maybe those who leave their bodies will also complete their studies before destrution. Does it mean that if one hears two words, but does 2 thousands opposite acts he will go to heaven?

I meant BKs overlook the Murli, but probably PBKs also overlook both the Murlis through Brahma Baba and ShivBaba. I pointed the point with the one Murli, because those who don't have Murlis can also make effort and achieve the goal. Dimensions of easy Raja Yoga and easy knowledge are - one second, 8 hours, 7 days, remembering one, one Murli. It is for us the ordinary people.

The aim is to become Gyan swarup – the form of knowledge which is the incorporeal form. In this stage itself knowledge is merged without study. Religious fathers also have this stage that's why they preach, but they don’t know The Knowledge of 84 births, that's why we study.

Baba says some clothes are not so dirty and require little water (of knowledge), some more, some are so dirty that never get cleaned, some on washing them tear apart. We’ll study till we are alive. Till we are alive to body-conciousness we need knowledge. It is said this knowledge will continue till we experience happiness.

Some points from VCD*

There won’t be as much through study as there will be through Yoga.
Baba says Gyan is not the aim, through Gyan we achieve the aim. We arrive to the accurate Yaad.
From trance, Gyan is better and from Gyan then Yaad is better.

There won’t be as much through study as there will be through Yoga. Baba says Gyan is not the aim, through Gyan we achieve the aim. We arrive to the accurate Yaad. From trance, Gyan is better and from Gyan then Yaad is better.

Dear andrey Bhai.

When you are discussing knowledge with the BKs, do you quote Murli points of Shivbap or do you quote explanations from VCD*? So likewise, when you want to prove something please quote only from Murli points of Shivbap and not from the VCD* which are not the final truth (as they are subject to refining and changing from time to time.)

shivsena.

when you want to prove something please quote only from Murli points of Shivbap and not from the VCD* which are not the final truth (as they are subject to refining and changing from time to time.)shivsena.

Haven't the Sakar Murli points been refined and changed as well? Is the final snapshot during Sakar Baba's life the final correct form?

Is our own personal interpretation in a way that gives us happiness the final form of knowledge, even if I don't follow the words on paper, if I follow the true singing of my heart?

Haven't the Sakar Murli points been refined and changed as well? Is the final snapshot during Sakar Baba's life the final correct form? Is our own personal interpretation in a way that gives us happiness the final form of knowledge, even if I don't follow the words on paper, if I follow the true singing of my heart?

Brother Joel has rightly pointed out what ShivBaba has said in the following revised Sakar Murli published by the BKs in January this year:

• "Koi bhi baat may moonjhtey ho toh ananya bachhon say pooch saktey ho. Nahee toh yah Brahma Baba baitha hai. Yah nahee bataa saktaa toh badaa Baba (ShivBaba) baitha hai. Yah toh samjhaya hai ki abhi bahut kuch samajhney ka baaki hai. Saarey chakra ka raaz Baba samjhaatey rahtey hain. Kitnee points nikaltee rahtee hain. Ajun time padaa hai toh jaroor aur bhi samjhaana hoga." (BKs dwara prakaashit revised Sakar Murli taareekh 19.01.07, pg 4)

• “If you get confused in any matter you can ask ananya (senior/unique/dear) children. Otherwise, this Brahma Baba is sitting. If he (i.e. Brahma Baba) cannot explain, then the senior Baba (ShivBaba) is sitting. It has been explained that a lot of things remain to be understood. Baba keeps explaining the secrets of the entire cycle. So many points keep emerging. When there is still some more time, then certainly there is something more to be explained.” (Revised Sakar Murli dated 19.01.07, pg.4 published by BKs and narrated by ShivBaba through Brahma Baba; translated by a PBK)

If the above Murli point is correct, then ShivBaba would be explaining newer points till the end. Brahma Baba may have thought the end to be in 1976 but since the end has not yet come about, the newer points should keep emerging even after Brahma Baba's demise or even after 1976. Since, new points are not forthcoming through the medium of Gulzar Dadi since the last 38 years, there has to be another Chariot through whom newer points are emerging.

In the above Murli point Baba has even spoken about a senior Baba (Badaa Baba) who is also sitting. Who is this senior Baba? There is no question of the incorporeal point of light sitting or standing. And if the senior Baba refers only to the incorporeal Supreme Soul in the body of Brahma Baba at that time, then why have they been mentioned separately to be sitting.

When you are discussing knowledge with the BKs, do you quote Murli points of Shivbap or do you quote explanations from VCD*; so likewise when you want to prove something please quote only from Murli points of Shivbap and not from the VCD* which are not the final truth (as they are subject to refining and changing from time to time.)

There are hundreds of Sakar Murlis published by BKs where ShivBaba (through Brahma Baba) has said that these are points to be understood, these are very deep matters. If everything has already been explained through Sakar Murlis, then why would ShivBaba say so? When Brahma Baba himself could not understand the declaration about 1976, then how can the versions spoken through his mouth be considered to be crystal clear?

Regards,
OGS,
Arjun

Note: The word 'ShivBaba' added within brackets in the Hindi version of the above Murli point has been added by the BKs, wheraes the words added within brackets in the English version have been added by the Translator to make the meaning more clear.

when you want to prove something please quote only from Murli points of Shivbap and not from the VCD*

The role of God is to give knowledge. On listening The Knowledge it is understood who gives it.

Baba Virendra Dev Dixit says that the Supreme Soul does not have any connection with the body. He has not come to make the benefit our body but of the soul. He is not responsible to whatever happens to our body. It is a consequence of the past. He has come to make the benefit of the soul for the future.