27 Nov 2006
Omshanti. I am reproducing below the comments/replies received from Baba on the issues raised by Shivsena Bhai in this thread. The comments have been received vide Email no. 16093/06. Shivsena Bhai's views have been shown in blue letters while Baba's comments/ replies are in red letters.
With regards,
OGS,
Arjun
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In basic knowledge, all BKs know that it was predicted in Murlis that destruction would take place in 1976 (which did not happen) and many souls left the Yagya and got married
In 1976, the destruction that was mentioned was about the BKIVV, that means within the Brahmin world and not about the destruction of the outside world. But Brahma Baba thought it to be that of the outside world and made an announcement.
it was taught to us that the shooting period of Dwapuryug started in 1988 and it would last till 1996 (8 years) and the Kaliyugi shooting would start from 1997 to 2000 (4 years) and then Destruction would take place (which again did not happen) and again many souls left The Knowledge and got married; subsequently the whole shooting period dates were changed and date of Destruction was withheld.
The shooting period dates that were told before and now do not differ much, but only a difference of 2-3 years between 1998 to 2004. From 1976 until 2000 also, it was a matter of the destruction of the Brahmin world and it has never been regarding the outside world. The destruction does not take place within a second, it takes time. the accurate dates are never told. There is the beginning, middle and end of Destruction too. The year 1998 was the middle when the half destruction takes place, it is a matter of the shooting of the Copper Age.
if Supreme Soul Shiva is playing the part in Veerendra Dev Dixit as bap-teacher-Satguru then why did He not speak the truth (words from the mouth of God should be nothing but the truth);
The grace period also has been there since the beginning. The refining changing will keep on taking place, this too Baba has told.
or does this not mean that, all along right from 1988 this whole Advanced Knowledge is being given by Krishna's soul, who is in subtle stage(aakari stage) and churning The Knowledge, and as per his churning he is refining and changing the Advanced Knowledge
Nothing like that. The subtle stage of Brahma does not take place when in Prajapita, that happens when he enters into Gulzar Dadi. Does it become the seed form stage (beejroopi) of Brahma due to the colour of company of Prajapita or does it become the subtle stage of Brahma?
which surely means that Brahma is bound by drama to complete the shooting of Dwapur and Kaliyug i.e. subtle Bhakti-marg, and only in the end when Ram and Shiv become combined as ShivBaba, then and only then the true Gita knowledge will come forth from the present Chariot)
That is alright. The True Gita will not come out now. Now the shooting of Bhakthi marg is going on. When the living (chaitanya) True Gita comes then the True Gita will also come.
Ambigutiy in clarification of pictures:
In The Ladder picture, we were taught that this whole ladder is on Bharat and Ramwali soul is Bharat; but if you look at the picture closely then it also mentions in the first half "Day of Brahma" and in the next half it says "Night of Brahma"; we all know that Brahma is Krishna's soul and not Ram's soul, so how can Bharat and Ram be the same soul??
There are five Brahmas. There is not just one Brahma. Even Ram's soul is also Brahma.
(also it has never been said in Murlis that Ram is Bharat);
In the Murli dated 12/1/1975, pg 3 end, it has been told that ''Tum kaha sakte ho Ramayan ki katha saari Bharat par he hai. Sirf samajhane ki khir chahiye." (You can say that the entire story of Ramayan is based on Bharat only. Only the knack of explaining is required)
and also in the end Brahma is seen standing (why should Brahma be shown in The Ladder picture if the whole picture is describing Ram's soul).
Does not the child go along with the Father?
Also at the end of ladder a beggar is shown with Gita under his head and he is shown begging; now what I do not understand is, who represents this beggar (Ram or Krishna) and that if someone has the whole Gita in his intellect then why should he beg from others and what is he begging (money???)
Even if the whole of Gita is in the intellect, that one can be a beggar. Only when it is brought into the practical he will be a prince. When the planning of knowledge will be brought into practical then only he will become beggar to prince.
what is he begging (money???) (it has been said in Murlis that "mangne se marna bhala" - meaning that ''it is better to die than to ask'' )
Baba has also told that a beggar should not have anything - money, status, position etc. a beggar only is in need of knowledge. The one whose life becomes a beggary life, Baap comes and makes him the sirtaj (the crown prince). ShivBaba is said to be garibnivaz. He comes and makes the poor into wealthy (sahookar). Through the Godly five year plan, He makes the beggar Bharat into a crown prince. At the end of the iron age Bharat becomes dependent for money and wealth. ShivBaba comes and makes one abundant in money, wealth, love and affection. When he becomes the Emperor of the world, will there be any shortage of those who love? Love itself is known as the food of the soul. Call it love, call it affection, call it Yoga.