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Who is the God of Gita - Krishna, Ram or Shiva Baba?

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PostPosted: 31 Dec 2007
by new knowledge
OK. But what is the difference between Krishna stage & Narayan stage of Brahma? Are these various intellectual stages?
    * Is Krishna stage Mayavi part & is Narayan stage not Mayavi part of Brahma?
    * And what do you mean by Krishna-Jayantee? Is that Mayavi Krishna's Jayantee(in 1988-89)?
    * What is meant by Geeta-Putra Krishna? Is Mayavi Krishna the creation (son) of Sachchee (true) Gita? In other words, is the aim of study of Gita Gyan to be Mayavi like Krishna? - If not, then why Krishna is described as Geeta-Putra?
    * When he will become Narayan? In 2010? Or in 2036?

PostPosted: 01 Jan 2008
by shivsena
new knowledge wrote:OK. But what is the difference between Krishna stage & Narayan stage of Brahma? Are these various intellectual stages? Is Krishna stage Mayavi part & is Narayan stage not Mayavi part of Brahma?

Krishna's mayavi stage is limited only to Brahma ki raat; when Brahma becomes Vishnu or Narayan then it is known as Brahma ka din and the mayavi part ends.
* And what do you mean by Krishna-Jayantee? Is that Mayavi Krishna's Jayantee (in 1988-89)?

It is said in Murlis shiv-jayanti so geeta-jayanti so krishna-jayanti; when the role of Maya ends then Ramshivbaba will be revealed to 108 rudramala souls and Sangamyugi Krishna will be revealed to vijaymala souls.

Re: Who is the God of Gita - Krishna, Ram or Shiva Baba?

PostPosted: 26 May 2008
by prbrku
Hallo Brothers,

In the Avyakt Vanis, it is said tha whatever BapDada had with him to give to children he gave and now there is nothing more left to be given. So whatever we have now as Knowledge could be the true Gita. Baba has also said that study is over, now is time for practical part. He also mentions of clarification of the Gita from the path of Bhakti according to the Godly knowledge.

Re: Who is the God of Gita - Krishna, Ram or Shiva Baba?

PostPosted: 04 Jun 2008
by shivsena
Dear PBK Brothers.

There is a small prayer in Bhakti which says:
Asato Maa Sadgamaya,
Tamaso Maa Jyotirgamaya,
Mrityu Maa Amritam Gamaya.

(meaning) Take me from Falsehood to ultimate Truth,
Take me from darkness to light,
Take me from mortality to immortality.

Has this small prayer been realised in practical anytime in past since God Shiva has come down to earth, or will this be realised in future, when Ramshivbaba is revealed as personified God in the near future???

Let each BK and PBK ask this to himself and let each realise the truth therein.

shivsena

Re: Points for churning

PostPosted: 30 Jul 2008
by shivsena
arjun wrote:Brahmakumar-Kumaris tell that Prajapita Brahma is in the Subtle Region since 1969. But Baba is telling that Prajapita Brahma is not in the Subtle Region but in the corporeal world. If Prajapita Brahma is in the corporeal world then where is he? In respect of the soul of Ram, the BKs say that it failed in the beginning of the Yagya. But Baba is telling that “The result at the end only proves useful.” So can’t it be possible that the soul of Ram makes more efforts than the soul of Krishna at a later stage and achieves a higher post than him, leading to Ram being praised as Maryadas Purushottam (highest among all in following the code of conduct) and Patit-Paavan (purifier of the sinful)?

Dear arjun Bhai.

I was just reading your explanation about 'prajapita' and ''Ram fail".

I fail to understand one thing : on one hand you are trying to say that Ram is prajapita who is present in the corporeal world and then you say that Ram (no 1 impure) becomes 'patit-pavan' and 'Maryadas purshottam' in the end by his effort; in Murlis it is said that ShivBaba is patit pavan bap and you say that Ram becomes patit-pavan bap (purifier of sinful) in the end. If Ram (no. 1 patit) becomes Patit-Pavan Bap through his rememberence of bindi ShivBaba, so how can he be both Prajapita and Pati-Pavan Bap at the same time ???

This ambiguity requires further clarification.

shivsena.

Re: Points for churning

PostPosted: 30 Jul 2008
by arjun
shivsena wrote:I fail to understand one thing : on one hand you are trying to say that Ram is Prajapita who is present in the corporeal world and then you say that Ram(no 1 impure) becomes 'patit-pavan' and 'Maryadas purshottam' in the end by his effort; in Murlis it is said that ShivBaba is patit pavan bap and you say that Ram becomes patit-pavan bap(purifier of sinful) in the end; If Ram(no. 1 patit) becomes patit-pavan bap through his rememberence of bindi ShivBaba, so how can he be both Prajapita and pati-pavan bap at the same time ???
This ambiguity requires further clarification.

Dear Brother,

Omshanti. In the question posed to the BKs in connection with the Murli Point No.79,iIt has not been written that Ram becomes Patit Pavan (purifier of the sinful ones). It has been asked whether the soul of Ram (Baba Virendra Dev Dixit) cannot make more efforts than the soul of Krishna (Dada Lekhraj) in the Confluence Age to be praised as Patit-Paavan in the path of worship from the Copper Age.

In the path of worship they do not differentiate between the incorporeal Ram and the corporeal Ram, but we know that it is the incorporeal Ram (Shiv) who becomes Patit-Paavan through the corporeal Ram. If the corporeal Ram himself was Patit-Paavan then he could have purified the humanity even before the arrival of Shiv. But he cannot perform this task of purification of souls until and unless the incorporeal Ram (Shiv) enters in him.

With regards,
OGS,
Arjun