Re: Experiences of those surrendered, living at the center?
Posted: 01 Dec 2015
By deep BK days, do you mean the Honeymoon Period?
Independent thought about the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University for those wishing to leave, and friends and family of followers
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http://www.brahmakumaris.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=3703
Pretty accurate. When one looks at the actual experiences described - whether BK, sikh, Buddhist, Muslim, indigenous native animist etc - you see great similarity if you leave aside the narrative of what they believe gave the experience. If you look at the narratives of belief, a few may have some similarity with a few others but many will be completely different to others. That is, same phenomena, different explanations. Campbell put it forward that just as humans are genetically coded to have horizontal eyes, vertical noses and only be able to perceive certain frequencies of the universe naturally, so too we are as humans psychologically coded to have a certain range and type of experiences. the stories we weave to tell ourselves about these experiences will change within a pattern, sometimes they will be ”poetic”, sometimes "nonsense and disastrous” .ex-l wrote:I need a quick review. Would the big differences between your/Campbell's view and the BKs' view be summarised as....
Never a full time centre resident, being where i was, in London at first, that was of course impossible even though I became one of the main teachers for newbies, some of whom are still BKs of the more intelligent (more able to kid themselves) variety . Then in Australia, the different BK culture didn’t appeal to me and left me increasingly dissatisfied. . I never had the desire to be in any centre here given the way they were. I never asked what would be entailed to be a centrewassi. However I have over those years been as temporary resident of a number of centres.Pink, you were around from the mid-1970s to 90s? Did you ever living in or run a centre, or did you not "surrender" (your intellectual approach) sufficiently for them to accept you?
ClearofBK: So the re-evaluation process never stops. But how do you measure it
By deep BK days, do you mean the Honeymoon Period?
By the level of independence of thinking, emotional autonomy, self-direction, the regularity of circumspection and analysis of one’s own beliefs, the checking to see that how one operates is never going to preclude the ability to admit one is wrong and learn immediately.
As for ”happiest moments” - they are of their time. if you thought about it and could remember it, maybe it was when you were suckling on your mother’s breast or a particular day’s playing in pre-school. Then that first romance’s heady first lovemaking? What do we remember or let ourselves remember? TBH I really enjoy a good bowel evacuation!! In fact...
You have actually failed your own evaluation criteria "preclude the ability to admit one is wrong ". You are not able to admit one can have any "happier" time with BKs in comparison with regular fun in life.
The idea of comparison of one happy moment over another is not valid because the preconditions and circumstances, what is happening in one moment, will have changed by the time of the next ”happiness". It's like eating a really good meal but you don't let yourself enjoy it as much as you could because you keep telling yourself the best meals you ever had were at your late grandmother’s house. It is cursing the meal in front of you with misplaced sentimentality or nostalgia.
clearofBK wrote:If one is not trapped, one should be completely free of blaming others including BKs for their experiences taking full responsibility of their choices.
Pink Panther wrote:It's like eating a really good meal but you don't let yourself enjoy it as much as you could because you keep telling yourself the best meals you ever had were at your late grandmother’s house.
ex-l wrote:I do think religions organise that experience (creating group, moulding group activity) and then make their god take credit for supplying it but I am still open to the idea of their being gods and them also adding something to both personal and group experience.
How would you define your position now, 'clear of'?
Not here to defend the BKWSU but supportive of "the experience". Could "the experience" exist without the BKWSU?