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mbbhat

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post04 Aug 2008

Dear new knowledge soul,

Sometimes it is necessary to write TIT for TAT in this forum, since it is public. I am not supporting BKs for their mistakes. But what I am saying is, finding faults in BKs is greater fault than that. Baba has said,

    1) Hearing Murli through sanmukh is first
    2) Hearing Murli through tape is second,
    3) Reading Murli is third and so on.
If you are really worried about people of the world and wish to give Godly property to them in a second, would you suggest them the first or second method? In fact, they will not understand anything!

* One should understand that the drama is VARIETY. Baba uses this word frequently. In a company, some do research, some do maintenance, some sales, etc. All do not receive knowldege to the same extent. Those who have higher capacity and are very dedicated to the company receive maximum information or secrets of the company. People who do research, even DONATE to the company. Similarly, I think those who are capable of doing Vichar Sakar Manthan are capable of buiding The Knowledge more and more like Mama. Mama is given the highest seat. Mama's class is also called as Mama's Murli! In the yayga.

* Why is nuclear technology not given to all? If it comes into hands of terrorists, they will misuse. Baba says, every point of Murlis is worth lakhs of rupees. Every second of time is worthful diamonds. How many BKs really feel and give value to this? If one does not gives value to the points, does he have the right to demand? I am not accusing here anybody. I am just trying to make people realize the situation of both self and seva(people of the world).

* I do not say that just healthy people want doctor. I say that weak people cannot be subjected to powerful injection. Today you can see many patients suggest doctor that I do not want that medicine, this medicine, Can I continue to smoke, can I eat oily food at least to some extent, etc, etc. So if a patient is egoistic, he cannot understand anything.

* Baba is Karan- Karaavanhaar. When ShivaBaba is karaavanhaar, BK is not a compounder. He is acting doctor. All the Sisters are called as INCHARGE. Because God is invisible! [But in some centres, BKs call themselves as Director of so and so zone, which is a very big mistake. I had questioned this to some BKs. Their answer was if we write incharge, agyaanis think that there is some other person who is above this. But alas! This teacher is weak that She cannot say that I am just the incharge and real owner is God HIMSELF!].

* You can think that I have disease. It is definitely correct. That is why even after so many doubts, I do not want to leave the doctor and become ex-BK or PBK, etc.

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post04 Aug 2008

Very happy to know that you are very much interested in Dharna. Can I know to what extent you have conquered lust? I have disclosed about me in this forum.

Mbhat,

I do not even discuss this with the Seniors and BapDada himself as to what extent I have conquered LUST... just because you have opened up in the forum you cannot expect it to be done by the others ... while you are at it ... what is your definition of LUST... is it just not looking at women with those evil eyes or to say how will this one be in bed ...

Brother Grow up in Gyan ... stop being a Parrot because many in the BK world for many many years are just that ... its so easy to narrate points of Gyan but to even understand it needs an intellect which is pure ... for me Purity is about understanding what is being said in the Murli to start with rather than talk about being celibate and talk about percentage of conquering LUST ...

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Re: Questions for BKs

Post04 Aug 2008

mbbhat wrote:I am not supporting BKs for their faults. But what I am saying is, finding faults in BKs is greater fault than that.

Brother mbbhat, I am not interested in faults, scandals, corruptions in BKs. If a compounder illegally behaves like a doctor, then is it not obligation of a patient to oppose the compounder? Even then, would you suggest the patient that finding faults in that compounder is greater fault than that though you are sure that the compounder is illegally acting like a doctor???
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Re: Questions for BKs

Post04 Aug 2008

new knowledge wrote:If a compounder illegally behaves like a doctor, then is it not obligation of a patient to oppose the compounder? Even then, would you suggest the patient that finding faults in that compounder is greater fault than that though you are sure that the compounder is illegally acting like a doctor???

Or to put it more simply, if you went to a psychiatric hospital and met a mental patient who thought he was a doctor ... would you not alert the authorities if they were practising on other patients?

As new knowledge points out, there is a difference between 'prurient interest', a candid interest and public interest, i.e. social concern. Where those "faults, scandals, corruption" spill out and into the general society, affecting other individuals and their families life, then the general public has every right to be warned ... and we, as witnesses, have a duty to do so.

I suppose having "conquered lust to 80%" means that he only gets 20% erections for which there are two cures now ... Viagra. Or even more classes from Dadi Janki. If there is one thing that disgusts me even more than the gross vices, it is face-saving and suppression in order to avoid rightful "shame".
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Re: Questions for BKs

Post04 Aug 2008

Brothers mbbhat & yogi, you know that Murlis & Avyakt Vanis are being uploaded in this website without the official permission of authorities of BKWSO. Are you in favour of or in opposition to this issue?
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Re: Questions for BKs

Post04 Aug 2008

new knowledge wrote:Brothers mbbhat & yogi, you know that Murlis & Avyakt Vanis are being uploaded in this website without the official permission of authorities of BKWSO. Are you in favour of or in opposition to this issue?

Its true. Apart from some on this forum, there are three places to find them;

The Avyakt Murli summaries - from over 3 decades
The Encyclopedia - which is my favourite as one can search them (see also Avyakt Murlis), and
The library - where there are selections to download.

Personally, I do not believe that any individual has the right to intercede between another individual and their god. The relationship should be direct. Who the hell do the leadership think they are to put themselves above others? For those concerned BKs reading this ... please download, circulate and enjoy them with your fellow BKs. Surely the highest of karmas by your values, mr bhat?
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Re: Questions for BKs

Post04 Aug 2008

yogi108 wrote:Brother Grow up in Gyan ... stop being a Parrot because many in the BK world for many many years are just that ... its so easy to narrate points of Gyan but to even understand it needs an intellect which is pure ... for me Purity is about understanding what is being said in the Murli to start with rather than talk about being celibate and talk about percentage of conquering LUST ...

Dear Yogi soul,

If you are talking or commenting to me privately, I would have just waved my hand and leave. I may not utter a word. But this is a public place where I can do seva. You may interpret me as you wish. I am not unhappy. I have already got two private messages from two souls and they have pleaded their guilty for commenting BKs. I had already got this success within first month.

Since you are a BK, your comment makes me happier. I am sure that you will progress in your life even if you think bad of me. In fact, I think you will not be able to think bad of me for long time. Let us see. Wish you great success. I can understand your pain. My reply was not just to you dear yogi soul. My reply was to all those who read this forum.

Dear new knowledge soul,

I am not against or in favour of putting Murlis in this forum. Baba has already said, "when the creator is satisfied by this drama, you the children of the creator should be satisfied by every event". I have no complaint at all, dear souls.

Dear ex- l soul,

For the time being, I may not have interest or time to answer you.
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Re: Questions for BKs

Post05 Aug 2008

Mbhat soul,

I do not know if you quite understand where I am coming from. I am not here to comment on you .. but just giving you some pieces of truth I have picked being associated with the BKs ...

I am only telling you ... God loves everyone ... but he loves the ones who love him the most ... but more than that he loves the ones who understand him in totality ...

All I am saying is try to understand what is being said in the Murli and your third eye will really open.

Yogi
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Re: Questions for BKs

Post05 Aug 2008

new knowledge wrote:Brothers mbbhat & yogi, you know that Murlis & Avyakt Vanis are being uploaded in this website without the official permission of authorities of BKWSO. Are you in favour of or in opposition to this issue?

Sometime back, I was in the process of discussing with some senior Sisters about putting some Murlis up regularly. (See True unlimited service : Do you want Murlis?). The process is still going on.

The reason why they are hesitant of doing so is because they realise there are members on this forum (or simply passers by) who are trying to act like BKs but they do not go to the centre, and they therefore expect to be able to obtain Murlis here for their own private and selfish needs, whilst claiming they are a BK and use all the pride as a BK but yet they serve neither their own spiritual Brothers and Sisters or their centres, and yet continue to churn out their own classes and lectures, without guidance or authorisation.

The Sisters commented that as master bestowers, treasures (Murlis) and jewels of knowledge may be given to all those whom you come into contact, and feel that those who have uploaded or provided Murlis onto this site do so for good intent for discussion and churning. However, there are those who just want to take, and the worst of the kind who do this are those who say they are BKs but do not go to the centre daily and yet are giving lectures and Gyan of their own accord. They are not so concerned for souls who no longer are affiliated with the BKWSU as such peoples will always debate, but are disappointed at those who claim to be BKs but no longer make the effort to go to their respective centres.

So the problem (for me) in the process from now on is this. Even if such forum members were to leave this forum, it would make no difference. If Murlis are uploaded, such "BKs will still be able logon and are able download the Murlis. Whereas they should be attending a centre and supporting their BK family. So you see, these very hidden "BKs" are the ones who get in the way of those who genuinely want the Murlis. In a sense, these hidden "BKs" are limiting the unlimited service the Seniors are trying to perform. The BKs outdoing themselves.
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Re: Questions for BKs

Post05 Aug 2008

And before anyone suggests from my previous post that the BKWSU should upload Murlis to the internet regardless of who is here or there, well they still need their devotees, but it is these very devotees who are abandoning them and are also undermining what they do it seems.
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Re: Questions for BKs

Post06 Aug 2008

bansy wrote:The reason why they are hesitant of doing so is because they realise there are members on this forum (or simply passers by) who are trying to act like BKs but they do not go to the centre, and they therefore expect to be able to obtain Murlis here for their own private and selfish needs, whilst claiming they are a BK and use all the pride as a BK but yet they serve neither their own spiritual Brothers and Sisters or their centres, and yet continue to churn out their own classes and lectures, without guidance or authorisation.

All fair comments, of course ... welcome to humanity. I would say that there are more "authorised" problem cases than "unauthorised" problem cases. By their fruits, ye shall know them.

I am reminded, however, of the story of Jonah and Nineveh. Historically, "God", or even good, always bets on very slim odds and presumed the positive rather than negative.

Why should we care about defending those afraid of losing their centralised positions of power to a more level, anarchic approach to wisdom? The evidence is that the leadership is neither trustworthy nor that enlightened.

    Trust in the people, I say ... it cant be any worse than it is now.
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Re: Questions for BKs

Post06 Aug 2008

bansy wrote:I was in the process of discussing with some senior Sisters about putting some Murlis up regularly. (See True unlimited service: Do you want Murlis?). The process is still going on.

For almost 9 months they have been discussing. Let them discuss.

I would not bother. Let these "master bestowers" sit on their "treasures" for ever. These "jewels" seem to warm them up.

This a matter of conscience for all BKs visiting this website and learning from the documents and Murlis uploaded from the previous posters. If they feel OK by only taking and not giving anything in return, it is their own dharna and karma.

If you plant a tree you don't think of those who could one day cut this tree and and make sticks of it to beat other human beings.
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Re: Questions for BKs

Post07 Aug 2008

yogi108 wrote:All I am saying is try to understand what is being said in the Murli and your third eye will really open.Yogi

Dear Yogi soul,

If your third eye is fully open, the instead of asking questions, will you please answer your own questions?

Dear Tom soul,

I treat this forum as given to me by drama and Baba. If you think this forum is yours, you have your share in this or you have contributed a lot to this, it is up to you. What we give, is not accepted. A drunkard desires just alcohol. We are trying to cure his habit. I have already said that a person's needs are to be fulfilled, not desires.
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