Never think you have not understood it. You have absorbed it perfectly. The truth is, there is very little to understand. It's more a question of whether you accept it. And accepting it requires blind faith because it cannot be understood.
You cannot "understand" BK knowledge, you can only accept or reject it.
I always remember the founders and leaders of the BKs were very uneducated about the world, about religion, about philosophy, about how to think. They were pretty much empty vessels who were kept hidden from the world. The Om Mandli women from the Sind lived in closed houses, only went out covered up, and did not go to school,r ead books or newspapers. They followed their parents, then they followed their husband and in-laws. They were designed to be submissive. Lekhraj Kirpalani became their husband [Prajapati] and they followed him unquestioningly.
The tradition is one of following seniority, not questioning and challenging.
I've read your posts, sukh.
I also remember similar conversations in my own mind, and with my BK peers. You've obviously swallowed the BK knowledge whole and still have additional capacity to churn it around in your mind. That to me suggests your "Operating System" is bigger than its "Operating System". Your "Operating System" has swallowed its "Operating System" and is turning it around, taking it apart, trying it out to see how it works ... and has come up with logical and operational problems.
Let's start at the bottom. Regarding the energy 'ShivBaba energy' you say, "It's got to be".
I ask, "why?". Why does it have to be? Because you've been told it is? What if someone at the start had told you ShivBaba was 'a god' rather than 'The God' allowing some space for variances. What is someone at the start had told you Lekhraj Kirpalani was 'an enlightened master', not "The Father of Humanity", again, allow some leeway for his short comings, eccentricity and failings.
What if they had said, Lekhraj Kirpalani is just a highly competent human being who has rise one of two levels up above the majory of humanity but still had far to go as far as other enlightened masters?
If they had, then you could have been more accepting of their failures.
Likewise the organization. Again, they claim to be the highest education and have all the answers you need. They claim their teachers are the highest most knowledgeful souls. Are they really?
Would the highest most knowledgeful souls need to claim to be the highest most knowledgeful souls? Would they need to be told day in day out that they are the highest most knowledgeful souls?
What sort of person needs and does that?
What sort of people need to call themselves a "University" when what they teach is at a child-like level? And why don't they have answers for all the problems or contradictions?
You are asking yourself the kind of questions we also asked ourselves about other mystic, spiritual or psychic dimensions ... knowledge or experiences of them have existed for 1,000s of years, in all traditions and cultures, and yet the so called Supreme "University of God" has no knowledge of them, nor how they fit into their philosophy.
Would a "master" really need to teach "Krishna is not God ... Krishna is not God ... Krishna is not God" 10,000s, instead of simply sitting down with the more intelligent members of the class and answering all their questions directly.
I am sorry to be blunt, but I think BKism is held back because its rulers are stupid and vain, and cannot even see or admit how stupid, how small minded they are. Their "greatness" appears to be based on telling themselves 10,000 times how great they are ... instead of actually being it.
It sounds to me you are doing what we all tried to do ... trying to make it fit, to make it into something it is not, trying to sustain the idealistic ideal of a "Supreme Being" ... indeed, "the Supreme Being" ... when the fact is, the immediate reality does not measure up to that by 1,000 miles. The evidence we see does not sustain the claims, and the counter-indications are to huge they cannot be ignored.
As BKs, for a long time after leaving BKs, many wrestle with those contradictions. We want there to be a God Father, we want their to be a one and only God Father, and we want ourselves to be a member of a special inner circle who recognises that being as a one and only God Father. But it is or he really?
We even spend many years apologising and making excuses for the contradictions and failings. The BKWSU has spent years developing all sort of them, and defends both their god spirit and their leaders from really being confronted by such questions. But, for me, there comes a point when one has to admit ... it just does not all add up. And if it does not add up, and it cannot be The Supreme God, then the question arises ...
If so, then it strikes me that Lekhraj Kirpalani or the BKs have a very poor ideal of what a Father figure is or should be like?
It's like when "BapDada" comes, the old ones surround him on the stage as if to stop others getting to him, especially the young and bright ones who might ask such questions ... and reveal what is going on. That's it's just Gulzar making things up.
Then we get into the scientific challenges to the god of the BK's "knowledge", of which there are many. Even the practical elements of the predictions (e.g. how it is possible to go from Destruction now to heaven on earth by 2036, and the sinking and rising of the continents).
Sadly, when I pressed the likes of Dadi Janki ... and, at that time, we used to meet with only 5 or 10 people in the room with her ... even she did not have answers; and when pushed for answers, she got irrated and angry and would subtly "attack" students.
Some people here even used to meet with BapDada when BKs still had one to one or small group meetings ... and he did not have answers either.
You cannot "understand" BK knowledge, you can only accept or reject it.
I always remember the founders and leaders of the BKs were very uneducated about the world, about religion, about philosophy, about how to think. They were pretty much empty vessels who were kept hidden from the world. The Om Mandli women from the Sind lived in closed houses, only went out covered up, and did not go to school,r ead books or newspapers. They followed their parents, then they followed their husband and in-laws. They were designed to be submissive. Lekhraj Kirpalani became their husband [Prajapati] and they followed him unquestioningly.
The tradition is one of following seniority, not questioning and challenging.
I've read your posts, sukh.
I also remember similar conversations in my own mind, and with my BK peers. You've obviously swallowed the BK knowledge whole and still have additional capacity to churn it around in your mind. That to me suggests your "Operating System" is bigger than its "Operating System". Your "Operating System" has swallowed its "Operating System" and is turning it around, taking it apart, trying it out to see how it works ... and has come up with logical and operational problems.
Let's start at the bottom. Regarding the energy 'ShivBaba energy' you say, "It's got to be".
I ask, "why?". Why does it have to be? Because you've been told it is? What if someone at the start had told you ShivBaba was 'a god' rather than 'The God' allowing some space for variances. What is someone at the start had told you Lekhraj Kirpalani was 'an enlightened master', not "The Father of Humanity", again, allow some leeway for his short comings, eccentricity and failings.
What if they had said, Lekhraj Kirpalani is just a highly competent human being who has rise one of two levels up above the majory of humanity but still had far to go as far as other enlightened masters?
If they had, then you could have been more accepting of their failures.
Likewise the organization. Again, they claim to be the highest education and have all the answers you need. They claim their teachers are the highest most knowledgeful souls. Are they really?
Would the highest most knowledgeful souls need to claim to be the highest most knowledgeful souls? Would they need to be told day in day out that they are the highest most knowledgeful souls?
What sort of person needs and does that?
What sort of people need to call themselves a "University" when what they teach is at a child-like level? And why don't they have answers for all the problems or contradictions?
You are asking yourself the kind of questions we also asked ourselves about other mystic, spiritual or psychic dimensions ... knowledge or experiences of them have existed for 1,000s of years, in all traditions and cultures, and yet the so called Supreme "University of God" has no knowledge of them, nor how they fit into their philosophy.
Would a "master" really need to teach "Krishna is not God ... Krishna is not God ... Krishna is not God" 10,000s, instead of simply sitting down with the more intelligent members of the class and answering all their questions directly.
I am sorry to be blunt, but I think BKism is held back because its rulers are stupid and vain, and cannot even see or admit how stupid, how small minded they are. Their "greatness" appears to be based on telling themselves 10,000 times how great they are ... instead of actually being it.
It sounds to me you are doing what we all tried to do ... trying to make it fit, to make it into something it is not, trying to sustain the idealistic ideal of a "Supreme Being" ... indeed, "the Supreme Being" ... when the fact is, the immediate reality does not measure up to that by 1,000 miles. The evidence we see does not sustain the claims, and the counter-indications are to huge they cannot be ignored.
As BKs, for a long time after leaving BKs, many wrestle with those contradictions. We want there to be a God Father, we want their to be a one and only God Father, and we want ourselves to be a member of a special inner circle who recognises that being as a one and only God Father. But it is or he really?
We even spend many years apologising and making excuses for the contradictions and failings. The BKWSU has spent years developing all sort of them, and defends both their god spirit and their leaders from really being confronted by such questions. But, for me, there comes a point when one has to admit ... it just does not all add up. And if it does not add up, and it cannot be The Supreme God, then the question arises ...
- "Who or what is it that would claim to a Supreme God when they are not a Supreme God?
- What sort of man would claim to a God, or Superior to God for 20 years - as he did - before realising that they were not God?
- What sort of God would put up with a man claiming to a God, or Superior to God for 20 years, as they did?
- What sort of man and what sort of god would cover up and hide such mistakes, make false predictions of Destruction for decades in order to dupe people out of their homes, wealth and lives?
If so, then it strikes me that Lekhraj Kirpalani or the BKs have a very poor ideal of what a Father figure is or should be like?
It's like when "BapDada" comes, the old ones surround him on the stage as if to stop others getting to him, especially the young and bright ones who might ask such questions ... and reveal what is going on. That's it's just Gulzar making things up.
Then we get into the scientific challenges to the god of the BK's "knowledge", of which there are many. Even the practical elements of the predictions (e.g. how it is possible to go from Destruction now to heaven on earth by 2036, and the sinking and rising of the continents).
Sadly, when I pressed the likes of Dadi Janki ... and, at that time, we used to meet with only 5 or 10 people in the room with her ... even she did not have answers; and when pushed for answers, she got irrated and angry and would subtly "attack" students.
Some people here even used to meet with BapDada when BKs still had one to one or small group meetings ... and he did not have answers either.