16 Jan 2010
That there is a power there does not really prove that it is God.
People have different experiences also, in Madhuban when Dadi Gulzar's face changes. The question is, "who is the spirit?". I think that the questions about when Shiva appeared in the equation are relevant to this.
Some of the power has to be a result of group consciousness. That also does not make it God.
And Power, of itself, is not enough.
A 'powerful atmosphere', can be impressive and intimidating. When you go beyond that, and find behaviors ranging from petty unkindness to ostracizing persons who do not fit in, and hiding things that are not considered a good reflection on the organization. Well, my integrity tells me that I do not want to be a part or contributor to these things. My intelligence and feeling warns me it is not Godly. There are many prophets, false and true, and I would agree with the saying that, "Ye shall know them by their fruits".
You see, I witnessed people who had given over their lives to this organization being treated with contempt, and worse, by so called Seniors, while the same Seniors were giving their time and effort to kowtowing to so called VIPs.
That is not Godly behavior. Even if the premise that these people need 'the introduction' is valid, surely it would not be at the expense of those who have given their bones. You cannot tell me that I did not witness this behavior, because I did. And I believe I was given a mind and intellect to be able to choose whether I should be involved in a group whose behavior is not acceptable to my moral standards.
I have been to Madhuban during the Indian season, as well as during the double foreigner times and I had mixed experiences. I could see that for many it is like a recharging time in difficult lives, so yes, I would say something has developed in the 70 years that could be said to have a positive effect for some.
Unfortunately, if even one person is irrevocably hurt or damaged, and even more unfortunately there seems to be Lacs of people who are, then it is just not good or Godly enough. Then they make it even worse by dismissing these persons out of hand as not good enough. I would say that they are not good enough.
We were taught, that if 'Seniors' made mistakes that Baba would put it right. Read the accounts on this forum of those who are left trying for years to find their way, having been treated cruelly in the BK environment. Oh, they just were not good enough, let them fry. What kind of a God are we talking about here. Where is he/she that they would treat good hearted souls in such a way. ? I think it is one of the problems of the organization to be so lacking in compassion.
As I said, Power of itself does not cut the mustard. I for one am not applauding the suffering in Haiti caused by a destructive aspect of the power of nature. I have seen and heard The BKs being delighted with disasters as a sign of impending end of world without a trace of compassion for the suffering. I believe that some of them need big adjustments in their outlooks and attitudes, to even rate as particularly good human beings, never mind having notions of being deities. And I keep wondering why this "God" through Dadi Gulzar is not addressing these things.
Seeing things as they are and being critical does not amount to evil or Maya. Closing the eyes to it is a very dangerous stance to take. As someone said commenting on the World War 2. "It only takes that the good people stand by and do (or say) nothing for evil to flourish". I am not saying BKs are evil, I do believe their is within the organization a culture of not questioning which is dangerous and harmful.
It works for people who have "Faith" or who can accept the parts they like and that work for them, and ignore all the rest. That is fortunate for them, however dismissing those who do question, is mindless evasion, and it is a mindlessness that cannot be said to be replaced by God's mind. Perhaps we who question expect more of God and those who claim to be God's chosen.
People have different experiences also, in Madhuban when Dadi Gulzar's face changes. The question is, "who is the spirit?". I think that the questions about when Shiva appeared in the equation are relevant to this.
Some of the power has to be a result of group consciousness. That also does not make it God.
And Power, of itself, is not enough.
A 'powerful atmosphere', can be impressive and intimidating. When you go beyond that, and find behaviors ranging from petty unkindness to ostracizing persons who do not fit in, and hiding things that are not considered a good reflection on the organization. Well, my integrity tells me that I do not want to be a part or contributor to these things. My intelligence and feeling warns me it is not Godly. There are many prophets, false and true, and I would agree with the saying that, "Ye shall know them by their fruits".
You see, I witnessed people who had given over their lives to this organization being treated with contempt, and worse, by so called Seniors, while the same Seniors were giving their time and effort to kowtowing to so called VIPs.
That is not Godly behavior. Even if the premise that these people need 'the introduction' is valid, surely it would not be at the expense of those who have given their bones. You cannot tell me that I did not witness this behavior, because I did. And I believe I was given a mind and intellect to be able to choose whether I should be involved in a group whose behavior is not acceptable to my moral standards.
I have been to Madhuban during the Indian season, as well as during the double foreigner times and I had mixed experiences. I could see that for many it is like a recharging time in difficult lives, so yes, I would say something has developed in the 70 years that could be said to have a positive effect for some.
Unfortunately, if even one person is irrevocably hurt or damaged, and even more unfortunately there seems to be Lacs of people who are, then it is just not good or Godly enough. Then they make it even worse by dismissing these persons out of hand as not good enough. I would say that they are not good enough.
We were taught, that if 'Seniors' made mistakes that Baba would put it right. Read the accounts on this forum of those who are left trying for years to find their way, having been treated cruelly in the BK environment. Oh, they just were not good enough, let them fry. What kind of a God are we talking about here. Where is he/she that they would treat good hearted souls in such a way. ? I think it is one of the problems of the organization to be so lacking in compassion.
As I said, Power of itself does not cut the mustard. I for one am not applauding the suffering in Haiti caused by a destructive aspect of the power of nature. I have seen and heard The BKs being delighted with disasters as a sign of impending end of world without a trace of compassion for the suffering. I believe that some of them need big adjustments in their outlooks and attitudes, to even rate as particularly good human beings, never mind having notions of being deities. And I keep wondering why this "God" through Dadi Gulzar is not addressing these things.
Seeing things as they are and being critical does not amount to evil or Maya. Closing the eyes to it is a very dangerous stance to take. As someone said commenting on the World War 2. "It only takes that the good people stand by and do (or say) nothing for evil to flourish". I am not saying BKs are evil, I do believe their is within the organization a culture of not questioning which is dangerous and harmful.
It works for people who have "Faith" or who can accept the parts they like and that work for them, and ignore all the rest. That is fortunate for them, however dismissing those who do question, is mindless evasion, and it is a mindlessness that cannot be said to be replaced by God's mind. Perhaps we who question expect more of God and those who claim to be God's chosen.
