Taken from another topic, here.
Thank you for asking the question Mike. I appreciate the seriousness, and focus, of your posts now.
I think the remit of the forum is pretty clear now ... others might have their own opinion and I am happy to hear it.
I would say this forum is a bridge between the BK world and the real world. Anyone here now has decided to play the role of a reverse "boatman" leading people back to the real world from the bardo the BKWSU's Baba took them.
We tried to make the forum all inclusive in the beginning but it did not work out. The became flooded by the odd evangelist and BK refugees, and there were too many conflicts, crazy mud slinging fights, between insane PBKs and ex-PBKs. Real fury and hatred. Talk about unresolved psychological issues ... there is crazy **** going on in India, e.g. BKs kidnapping and beating up PBKs and putting them in hospital etc.
We know that in the beginning it was read right up to the Western top, Jayanti and folk like that. It was actually welcomed by the more progressive, leading Westerners like Mike George. I suspect they ignore us now. I have no idea what impact on the BKWSU we have had but we have certainly changed the playing field for them and saved a few lives, they say.
I know, to begin, some BKs liked and secretly admired us with ... but then, when the all evidence of the serious historical revision and business/financial corruption came out, we started taking a hardline. They just put us down as being "The Anti Party" and portrayed us as only interested in "defaming" them/Baba. As you know, "Defaming Baba" or "Defaming the Yugya (BKWSU)" is the biggest sin or bogeyman in Brahma Kumarism.
Of course, that is not true. We are not 'Anti-' anything, we are 'Pro-' truth, honesty in religion and growing up. I actually think there is no one on earth that has done more good for the BKWSU than the individuals who have contributed here! (Only the BKWSU is having a hard time accepting the medicine ...).
At one point, our exposure became a threat to the egos of other elements, and Dr Hansa Raval of Texas tried to destroy us with a legal action ... only to end up exposing herself as a BK center-in-charge who had had - on top of leaving his husband and young child to join the BKWSU in the first place - a hidden sexual relationship and marriage within Gyan, and a paper documented involvement in financial and immigration "ambiguities". She was supported by individuals like Karuna Shetty in Madhuban and Ray Bhatt of the Janki Trust in London and others like Dadi Janki who stood back and did nothing to stop her.
Speaking personally, what I interests me most is research. I have come to realised we know very, very little about the inner workings of the BKWSU, the power cliques and struggles that go on, the financial aspects, and we have only exposed a tiny fraction of the corruptions. We have hardly touched the reality of BK India.
I think the big dividing line on this forum comes up at the point of whether an individual holds on to the idea that the spirit of the BKWSU is "God". Many individuals leave the BKWSU but hold onto the possibility that the god of the BKWSU is STILL "the God". This can take a very long time to let go. I think many BKs within the BKWSU have actually given up on the beliefs but are hooked by this last hope, fear or attachment.
Some of the more liberal and progressive BKs came here and wanted to hang out but I think they find that being challenged very, very hard to live with. Both parties retain a romantic attachment to their early BK life and god theory. I, personally, am highly defensive against anyone that has not sorted that one out pushing it ... perhaps too much so.
This is not a pseudo-BKWSU hangout for demi-BKs. Thanks to us, there are now other forums for that, including ones run by BKs, PBKs, Global BKs, ex-BKs. I think we have move on beyond theorising about BKism and into reform and recovery.
Mike26 wrote:I am sure it has not escaped the attention of forum members that even this web-site and forum could be construed as yet another expression of ex-members difficulty in letting go of the BK-ness. After all some might argue this is just a talking shop on BK matters - nothing better for keeping an ex member connected in some fashion.
Alternatively, it can be argued this forum is here as a vehicle to tell the truth about BK deception, to inform, to support those wishing to leave the organisation and as an on-going resource to help with people recover and re-orient themselves toward real living. I prefer to see the forum as serving the latter purpose.
Well for all those current members of the BKSWU looking at this forum and thinking that garbage. I know many ex BKs who have grown and grown and are enjoying far more happiness than they ever did while within the poisonous grasp of the BKs. No storms of Maya, no being chewed up, no terrible karmic consequences. Instead they have jobs, careers, properity, beautiful children and a much clearer intellect than you you could ever give them.
Thank you for asking the question Mike. I appreciate the seriousness, and focus, of your posts now.
I think the remit of the forum is pretty clear now ... others might have their own opinion and I am happy to hear it.
- if you are 'in' the BKWSU, we support you making the BKWSU fully accountable, democratic and resolving all the anomalies; but
a) we are 'out' and are here to help you get it out of your system,
b) we are here to protect those innocent third parties who are hurt and damaged by the ignorance and rapacious greed of the Brahma Kumaris as they chew their way through the societies of the world, and
c) to make sure no one else new is sucked into their web without having a full account of what they are.
I would say this forum is a bridge between the BK world and the real world. Anyone here now has decided to play the role of a reverse "boatman" leading people back to the real world from the bardo the BKWSU's Baba took them.
We tried to make the forum all inclusive in the beginning but it did not work out. The became flooded by the odd evangelist and BK refugees, and there were too many conflicts, crazy mud slinging fights, between insane PBKs and ex-PBKs. Real fury and hatred. Talk about unresolved psychological issues ... there is crazy **** going on in India, e.g. BKs kidnapping and beating up PBKs and putting them in hospital etc.
We know that in the beginning it was read right up to the Western top, Jayanti and folk like that. It was actually welcomed by the more progressive, leading Westerners like Mike George. I suspect they ignore us now. I have no idea what impact on the BKWSU we have had but we have certainly changed the playing field for them and saved a few lives, they say.
I know, to begin, some BKs liked and secretly admired us with ... but then, when the all evidence of the serious historical revision and business/financial corruption came out, we started taking a hardline. They just put us down as being "The Anti Party" and portrayed us as only interested in "defaming" them/Baba. As you know, "Defaming Baba" or "Defaming the Yugya (BKWSU)" is the biggest sin or bogeyman in Brahma Kumarism.
Of course, that is not true. We are not 'Anti-' anything, we are 'Pro-' truth, honesty in religion and growing up. I actually think there is no one on earth that has done more good for the BKWSU than the individuals who have contributed here! (Only the BKWSU is having a hard time accepting the medicine ...).
At one point, our exposure became a threat to the egos of other elements, and Dr Hansa Raval of Texas tried to destroy us with a legal action ... only to end up exposing herself as a BK center-in-charge who had had - on top of leaving his husband and young child to join the BKWSU in the first place - a hidden sexual relationship and marriage within Gyan, and a paper documented involvement in financial and immigration "ambiguities". She was supported by individuals like Karuna Shetty in Madhuban and Ray Bhatt of the Janki Trust in London and others like Dadi Janki who stood back and did nothing to stop her.
Speaking personally, what I interests me most is research. I have come to realised we know very, very little about the inner workings of the BKWSU, the power cliques and struggles that go on, the financial aspects, and we have only exposed a tiny fraction of the corruptions. We have hardly touched the reality of BK India.
I think the big dividing line on this forum comes up at the point of whether an individual holds on to the idea that the spirit of the BKWSU is "God". Many individuals leave the BKWSU but hold onto the possibility that the god of the BKWSU is STILL "the God". This can take a very long time to let go. I think many BKs within the BKWSU have actually given up on the beliefs but are hooked by this last hope, fear or attachment.
Some of the more liberal and progressive BKs came here and wanted to hang out but I think they find that being challenged very, very hard to live with. Both parties retain a romantic attachment to their early BK life and god theory. I, personally, am highly defensive against anyone that has not sorted that one out pushing it ... perhaps too much so.
This is not a pseudo-BKWSU hangout for demi-BKs. Thanks to us, there are now other forums for that, including ones run by BKs, PBKs, Global BKs, ex-BKs. I think we have move on beyond theorising about BKism and into reform and recovery.