The dawning of the truth

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Re: The dawning of the truth

Post29 Apr 2013

littleo wrote:I’m very skeptical towards those healers. I don't know what is your experience, and I may be offending someone, but I think they are even worse than the BKs. Some souls who used to be associated with the BK became healers, started giving lectures and personal guidance, channel angels etc. I don't believe in all that stuff.

I think a feet on the ground skeptical approach is the perfectly correct one to approach alternative healers ... but we cannot dismiss them all. Yes, I absolutely agree with. Depending on which culture you live in, they can be just as fraudulent, exploitative and even abusive.

However, "scientifically" we know hypnotism can do remarkable things, "scientifically" we know that placebos actually work as well as or better than medicines in some cases, and "scientifically" we know that listening and a generally caring attitude is healing ... and I'd say that without even accepting the weird and wonderful that is 90% of what such people offer and what health services cannot afford to.

There's also the extra added benefit that one can talk about one's cult or spiritual past and not be considered an absolute nutcase (gods, ghosts, angels et al ...) whereas if you went into a psychiatrists you'd probably end up locked up or on heavy medication! Whereas to a spiritualist those sorts of ideas are as ordinary as the old lady who lives next door. In fact, most spiritualist are as ordinary as the old lady who lives next door but happy to sit you down, feed you tea and biscuits and make sense of all your gods, ghosts, angels.

Do you understand my methodology here?

Sadly, a) medical services just cannot afford the time and resources, b) there are very few ex-cult/religion aware therapists, c) in my experience, anyone who has spent prolonged periods in introspection can run rings around more ordinary therapists and see through them whilst being a bit opaque to the therapist ... but, d) sometimes one really could benefit from the "chemical cosh" type approach.

Any BK, or post-BK I would definitely filter out of the equation. You've got to ask what it was that attracted them to the BKs in the first place and how much of it remains. And remember to that although it is all quite unfashionable in the West today, a) some of the great minds in mental health dabbled in the area (e.g. Jung when unable to make sense of a patient's mind might use a horoscope to try help understand and was very aware of the unknown phenomena we call the supernatural), and b) in other cultures all of that stuff is as normal as tea and biscuits.

So, yes; keep your feet on the ground, avoid the egotists and commercialists but don't rule everything out all together.

I mean, even going to a really nice place like an old church or a natural beauty can trigger off releases and positive changes.

And, yes, I agree with your "all part of life" equation too. Suffering, sadness and irritation is all part of life ... the other half of which is ... "everything changes". You may just be a ... dizzy, melancholy, cynical, angry (whatever) person so accept it, enjoy it and make the best of it but whatever you do don't follow the apocalyptic dreams of some cloistered old Sindi ladies in love with a handsome millionaire businessman. Don't feed and play out their psychodrama.

Learn your own lessons and follow your own dreams.
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Re: The dawning of the truth

Post29 Apr 2013

Pink Panther wrote:The word "paradigm" almost literally means "as if". It could be translated as "see it (digma) in these other (para) terms".

But, miss, my dogma ate my digma ... !

What word are you translating at digma ... δειγμα? I don't know this.
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Re: The dawning of the truth

Post29 Apr 2013

Greek grammar is tricky. Verbs change with every gender, tense, person, even context.

δειγμα (-digm) is the 3rd person neuter of a word that in English can be translated as "see/seen, show/shown, reveal/revealed". And as a root of "in -dic- ate".

The clue is in "δει" (di) which is also found in "idea" - which conjoins "id" and "dea" (δεα).

"Ιd" - you'd know from Freud etc but is a root word for both 'self" (eg: id-iot:- self-absorbed to the point of stupidity?) and "type" (id-iom).

"Δεα" (-dea) is simply "see". An idea is what appears in mind.

Whilst on the subject ...

Image/Imagine/ Magic/Magus/Μαγικα/Μαγα/Maya = mind-instrument (as per instrument of mind).
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Re: The dawning of the truth

Post29 Apr 2013

ex-l wrote:As for the rest of your post - yes, I agree - you can wait for something to become a pain before you deal with it, why deal with something that may not become a pain? Not everything swept under the carpet (i.e. left in the past) will fester to erupt later. The trick is to recognise what is becoming a problem before it reaches the part where it hurts.

Indeed. We need to have mercy towards ourselves, to not allow pain.
Like a bad relationship or a bad job that you stay in despite all the evidence, sooner or later you cannot bear it and you make a break, then you wonder why you did not do it sooner. It is wise to recognise and make the change sooner rather than later. But ego hangs on strongest.

I believe when we suffer, we always delude ourselves with bright future or see it as moral superiority. I don't buy into the idea we need to suffer in order to elevate ourselves, or that suffering automatically turns into nobility. Suffering leads to suffering. Usually people who have seen hard times become revengeful, suffering leaves a scar on their face, they become cruel and rude.

On the other hand, the contrary is also true. If someone has not seen hard times, he is unable to relate to suffering of others and be empathetic and becomes spoilt. So I subscribe to the philosophy of avoiding pain. Again the so difficult balance to neither be too hard, nor too soft has to be stricken. These days I can say for myself I am not all good person and am happy about it. Those who pretend to be all good I think are just after fame.
There's also the extra added benefit that one can talk about one's cult or spiritual past and not be considered an absolute nutcase (gods, ghosts, angels et al ...) whereas if you went into a psychiatrists you'd probably end up locked up or on heavy medication! Whereas to a spiritualist those sorts of ideas are as ordinary as the old lady who lives next door. In fact, most spiritualist are as ordinary as the old lady who lives next door but happy to sit you down, feed you tea and biscuits and make sense of all your gods, ghosts, angels.

I was thinking the same. Although every person is somehow crazy in his own way, these crazy people sometimes seem more normal than the so-called normal ones.
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Re: The dawning of the truth

Post30 Apr 2013

littleo wrote:Although every person is somehow crazy in his own way, these crazy people sometimes seem more normal than the so-called normal ones.

This brings back an old topic. What is normal, what is ordinary? Do we put some negative value-judgement against these terms?

One of the hardest things for BKs, including ex-BKs, to deal with is the appreciation of the normal, the wonder or beauty or fulfillment to be found in the mundane.

I'd say its also an aspect of maturity (which can come early in life, or later, or not at all) - one's acceptance that one is no more special than any of the billions of humans who have ever lived or will ever live, (nor less special either - just another human being with 9 holes, horizontal eyes and vertical nose).
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Re: The dawning of the truth

Post30 Apr 2013

littleo wrote:I believe when we suffer, we always delude ourselves with bright future or see it as moral superiority.

Human beings seem to have evolved mechanism or tendencies to forget, shut off or blank out suffering. Thankfully so. Sleep is a miraculous one. It would be too much to carry all of them for all time.

One might be able to transform or erase the emotional impact of memories but one can never regain time lost.

We should all send invoices to the BKWSU for the time and money they conned us out of, for the time of our lives we wasted and lost generating "income" for them and their business (income meaning all things).

Of course the BKs will ignore them and refuse to repay ... they are remarkably worldly and unprincipled when push comes to shove ... but it's the only language they understand and really value. They should be made to see what their folly cost other people and families.
    Other people's lives and family ... zero. They depend on another fool being born every minute in order to spin the same game over again and again.

    Money to uphold their edifices and keep spinning their illusion ... everything.
Recently I read an article about how a city plans to run power generators using the waste oil and fat pouring out of its restaurants. The BKs are already playing the same game. They already run their "power generators" on the extra wealth, or "fat", that they can squeeze out of wealthy societies.

In 75 years, 25, 35 or more years than they used to say Destruction would take, what have they really achieved apart from acquiring power, wealth and properties?
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Re: The dawning of the truth

Post30 Apr 2013

We should all send invoices to the BKWSU for the time and money they conned us out of, for the time of our lives we wasted and lost generating "income" for them and their business (income meaning all things)

I think this is a great idea.
Of course the BKs will ignore them and refuse to repay

Probably, but we can make it public, so people will know about it.
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