Friend wrote:Also, as darkly Christianic and profoundly conservative as this "lust sucks big time" BK motto sounds, there is practical evidence and it *has* been shown that sex is detrimental to Raja Yoga experiences.
Is the "practical evidence" regarding 'Raja Yoga' or 'BK Raja Yoga' experiences? How did they work that out ... two "celibate" BKs did meditation to see how they felt ... and then they had sex with other and did meditation again so she how it changed their experience? Or did they try and do BK Raja Yoga
while they were making love to see how it changed their experience? It doesn't exactly sound "scientific" to me but it might be fun to try it out!
Personaly, I am more interested in tracing the history right back to the beginning of the cult and examining Lekhraj Kirpalani's initial activity in this department and how it changed so strongly after the reactions of his community. There's evidence which says he took intimate "liberties" with the better looking of the young women during his "God Krishna/God Brahma" phase. (When they believed he was god or was superior to god and there was no mention of God Shiva in the cult).
Is there not a "tantric" element to BKism?
What makes me laugh is that, on one hand, BK say they are not allowed to make love because it will make them "impure" and get in the way of their purifying remembrance ... but, on the other hand, they are perfectly allowed to cheat and steal, defraud tax and visa department etc, lie to government and outsiders, and so on and that's OK ... and that is OK as long as they are remembering their Baba while they do it!
They are really quite clueless. For me, it's all just a facade, a pose of being religious which they've adopted from elsewhere which is useful for them in their social climbing, e.g. pretending to be bogus "top knot Brahmins".
I think, Lekhraj Kirpalani started by feeding off the sexual energy of all the women he surrounded himself with.
If you ask me, making honest love to another person you love and care for is a lot less "impure" that all the hypocrisies the BK get up to.
But, on the other hand, I do accept the realities and complications of sex. I just don't think the BKs are not doing it for "spiritual benefits". I think most BK would actually benefit from a good and realistic sexual experience. I think there was born out of a culture in which bad sexual experiences ruled ... the Sindhi culture which arranged the rape of young women by elderly men, e.g. marrying teenagers off to 50 year old men for the sake of money.
Now, I think the celibacy thing for them it is just all about control, separation and domination of individuals.
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I think your question "who or what the BK god spirit is?" is a very pertinent one and I encourage individuals to question and pose suggestiones. I think the BKs' greatest audacity is to claim that their god spirit/deceased guru/collective consciousness or otherly worldly beings/whatever it is ... is God.
If they just said that their "god spirit" was *a* god, or *a* higher being, a slightly enlightened deceased Lekhraj Kirpalani, or made up some other story ... then I'd have much less of an objection to their cult.
But the claim that their god is *THE* God, the God of All, the Highest Religion, the only religion to which God speaks etc etc etc is utterly ridiculous on the basis of the actual evidence.
And we know it's also a gradual fabrication which they've modified over the years.
I am sorry but, no. I am absolutely sure that if there is a "god" of humanity, a god of this planet, this realm etc ... then he would be above crap like the BKs have gotten up and would not put up with the crap the BKs have done and continue to do.
If there is actually any "spiritual truth" to existence (
which I question) I actually think that the BK god and leaders are on the side of evil. A subtle but very persistent evil.
Although I would have to define what I mean by "evil", that is what all the evidence points to.