Other modalities of meditations/philosophies you like

What do you do for a living?

Whatever I am today is because I have built strong support systems around me. Family is a must ... be open to possibilities of a loving companion ... you can always heal the crazy ones. Go for your breed ...

I, personally, feel your abuse at London was due to the authoritarian approach of Dadi Janki which might have been passed on to next generation ... whereas in Mount Abu Dadi Prakashmani nurtured BKs with love and mercy.

About partnership choice, in my humble opinion, 'opposites attract' is for partners/lovers who complement each other 'birds of a feather flock together' is for friendship/siblings.

So since you have quite strong defensive instincts, I, personally, feel having a vulnerable/crazy partner to start with will heal your ego and you can heal her too with your love.

In 2007, I read a book on Ramtha. In that he said he would caress us as a breeze whenever we want to feel his presence ... I called him and 'really' a breeze came.

In 2009 April, there were some meetings ... I was drowned in guilt ... rain gods would bless me with rain ... it was very strange to me how deep the bond was.

In the midst of all this drama, I don't know when but I developed a hatred towards men ... this was the main reason for delaying marriage.

My mom identified this and told this to one of the healers I visited ... she said the BKs are against sex and, hence, tell students to be away from men and she absorbed it deeply and developed hatred against all men ... that healer said I knew about BKs, but I think you only misunderstood them. Their founder itself was a man and they refer to male BKs as Brothers. but I did not have any blood Brother so the concept of Brother is only theoritical to me ... I hated all ..

I had very low expectations ... I just needed some vibrations that wouldn't result in vaginal discharge ... maybe my chakras weren't sealed ... they were oozing and bleeding all the time ... I was clueless of what was going on with me. This was from ~2008 to 2012 ... time heals many wounds.

A tenent kissed me in my childhood ... I was around 10 years then ... he was ~20 ... it was definetely not consensual ... he was left scotfree ... maybe from that time onwards I was only attracted to mean guys, those who have clear boundaries ... the selfless saints bore me ... I, being a no nonsense girl, wanted a similar companion.

I am a connoisseur of human beauty, not just physical but also about grace, elegance, speech, emotional responses, expressions, valour. Infact, everything human and people with beauty &/ brains &/ heart are a total turn on ... but I prefer subtle to gross ... though I understand gross is a bickering of loneliness, I feel the enigma is in the packaging rather than the actual product ... so this love of art also had a major role in my recovery.

What is your take on Osho (Rajneesh Jain) and his school of thought vs BKs ... compare & contrast?

Also you have mentioned that you practised mediumship/channeling ... can you please share your experiences?

Also there was an ex-BK member called Jann, what are her whereabouts? Is she of your age group? Does she live in london? Is she married?

We also consulted a homeopathic doctor, who is also a meditation practitioner of some mantra, he says he has intutions and tells the actual root causes. When we met him, he told that I got it through genes ... my grand mother (mom's mother) has hysteria as well as schizophrenia, my mom is mildly bipolar and I inherited it through genes ... he also added intense conflicts in desires lead to schizophrenia.

Potential for schizophrenia is indeed known to be passed on genetically. The main contirbutors of schizophrenia, but not exclusively, are

a) genetic predisposition
b) trauma in childhood
c) stresses around late teens/early adulthood

Schizophrenia symptoms most commonly appear in the late teens to early 30s.

You have mentioned in your own words a few things that make these fit together, that your mum is bipolar and grandmother had a diagnosis (accurate or not) of schizophrenia and hysteria, are pieces to the jigsaw. There’s also the various experiences you relate. And nothing is more "stressful" in different ways than childbirth and post-natal demands and effects.

Now, you said you have gone to a homoeopathic healer and other healers. I do not disrespect different modalities of care, but one needs to use the correct method for a condition. The homeopath knew about genetic predisposition - that has been known for decades, but practitioners from any field who do not wish to you refer you on to someone else will say enough to ”convince” you, who has less, of their ‘greater' knowledge, even when it is actually insufficient or inappropriate for the task at hand. They rarely know how insufficient their knowledge is (the nature of ignorance is to not know what one is ignorant of!)

Genetic - in what way? what does it mean?

People with schizophrenia & bipolar have been both found to have a deficiency in a particular enzyme in the brain. This neuro-chemical imbalance arises from the cells meant to process/create that enzyme not doing their job properly, the ”genetic instruction sheet” has been affected. It is no different to not being able to digest a certain food, or being born albino, or red hair, and it should generate no more stigma or affect your self-esteem than those conditions.

Unlike albinism or other genetic conditions from birth, genetic predisposition means ”it may or may not” be activated depending on certain conditions.

When the function of a gene is changed by conditions, it is an event which is ”epigenetic” and one of the fastest growing areas of study is "epigenetics" - e.g. cancer is essentially an epigenetic condition where the cell ”instruction" to stop replicating itself ceases to function.

That certain ”triggers” can make the potential become actual have been known for decades - things like trauma and stress. What is new and what a homeopath is not trained to know or treat, is The Knowledge of the specific deficient enzyme and how to treat it neuro-chemically.

Please save yourself decades of costs with promises from therapies that cannot treat the cause and see a general practitioner to get a referral to a specialist who can then work with you over time to find the right medicine and dosage.

Please avoid the "siren song" of being spiritual - it will not only distract you from your journey home, it can leave you shipwrecked & marooned in a remote place. To continue with the metaphors from ”The Odyssey”, I see many ”spiritual” people are lost in the land of the lotus eaters. In the story, this was a land where the sailors were warned that to eat lotus would make them feel they had no cares in the world and they’d be in a blissful state, so much so that they would forget their wives, children, their land, their duties and their past to never want to leave (an addiction essentially).

From experience of those I know personally, and those I have heard about, it is the unmedicated state that is ”addictive” for the schizophrenic or bipolar person - that state is a land of lotus eating, the medications used to treat them are not addictive, they bring them back to themselves (their own country) where they can act rationally, be socially integrated etc.

If you understand this condition is medical, not spiritual or metaphysical, that it is no different to a diabetic needing regular insulin, and approach it in the same way - with proper medical supervision - you will have a solid foundation to raise your child and give him or her the best of you as a parent, the whole of you.

All the best for 2017.

To shuksm,

Hi Sister.

I will give other advice to you.

Do not practice any kind of concentration/meditation technique no matter how sweet or 'powerful' it may appear to you. It is far more likely to harm you than do you good. You know Osho once said "If you practice meditation you will remain happy, while the truth is that you can only practice meditation while you are happy". I often compare meditation and spirituality to an exercise. If you do exercise you are likely to remain healthy but if you are feeling week or unhealthy you don't do it as it is more likely to harm you. I think a clever and sweet person like you will get my point without much persuasion .

Secondly, I would caution you against accumulating spiritual 'knowledge' from here and there. This is not like physics or biology where you read some books practice some numericles, and the more you do it the better your understanding becomes of the concepts. Spirituality is all about 'experiences' and this is such an important point that I cannot emphasize it enough even if it hurts a few egos here and there. How much information you have about xyz philosophy/practice just doesn't matter. You can practice xyz philosophy throughout your entire life and still have zero or even negative understanding of it, and a person who has never even practiced your ideology but is spiritually more mature than you will immediately see where you are going wrong and correct you if you bother about listening to him/her.

There are two ways to use your intellect, the first is the way of an honest spiritual seeker. They dig deep inside themselves tries to find out their true intentions, their motivations, their pluses and minuses and tries to correct them wherever they are wrong, and stands for whatever they thinks is right against all odds.

The second is the way of more than 99% people on this planet. You do whatever you do and when someone questions your motives you cook up a benevolent 'greater good' behind your actions like 'my only concern is to help others' ... 'I am only interested in an intellectually challenging/different perspective' etc etc ... while all he/she is doing is letting his/her frustration out.

Whether the fellow belongs to the first or the second category cannot be determined by looking at his physical actions/arguments only. What you are calling 'hunch' in me is more than that. It is this ability to 'see' behind the facades of logic and arguments which is the only criteria of spiritual development and is the thing which really determines a person's spiritual quotient and what ideology/philosophy you follow does not matter at all. Whether your spiritual evolution occurs through the path of pain or through joy, what matters in reality is not what visions you see, whether they are angels, demons or ghosts etc but how much maturity you attained from your experiences in this dimension.

Both visions as well as hallucinations exist and are not the same thing. One happens with a healthy mind, the other with an unhealthy mind, and should be cured immediately.

However, both are symptoms of bigger things.

Thirdly, I would like to point out that being 'psychically open' and being 'psychically suseptible/vulnerable' are two different things.

Medicinal help is very important as there are times especially if you are a bipolar etc that it simply is not a matter of will that you can heal yourself. Consider a man sinking in a pool of quicksand. No matter how strong he/she is external help is required to pull him out of that situation. It's not about strength or weakness, it's just how things work in reality, and the real spiritual persons are not those who suffer from delusions about there own abilities/shortcomings and you seem to be a very sweet and honest girl anyways, so please take a doctor's help as well and do not believe in that 'swaman' and slogan bull**t about 'samadhan sawarup' etc as it is just the diametrically oppposite approach as that of a healthy mind and is advised by those who are doing more harm to people not good.

As far as sex is concerned, please know that it is an outlet of your psychic/spiritual energy. That's why energetic persons enjoy it more and depressed persons are unable to do it! A true spiritual person is not someone who is afraid of it.

Consider money for a second. There are some people who are obsessed with it. They cannot see anything except it. In order to avoid life from becoming like that someone started the practice of 'sanyas' that "I will not even touch money from my hands". But it became a drama later on when people started calling money as Maya and start thinking that it is evil etc. Sex has been treated the same.

Celibicy is a symptom of a person who has realized that higher pleasures than this exist and has 'switched on' to them and, hence, is not bothered about sexual pleasures anymore. If you try to forcefully be a celibate by repressing your urges and then feel guilty about them you will do serious harm to your spiritual/psychological self and develop more problems in near future. If that is the case with you than you should stop bothering about it. When your time of spiritual awakening will come you will naturally grow out of it. No need to pressurize yourself, especially if you are emotionally vulnerable.

I used to do a lot of fighting in class in junior school to impress some girls . But when I grew up I left those things behind not because I am unable to do it but simply I have grown out of it. You grow out of sex naturally as you progress in spirituality just like that.

I wish I could upload a voice recording of mine on this site as it would have saved a lot of my time and effort here but if people have benefited from this site in the past I think it's worth it.

PS: ex-l and others a few points:

1) Anyone who loves Hinduism/Dharmic faiths and is not being apologetic about it, is not a member of Shiv Sena/Bajrang Dal types. My heroes are Vivekananda, Yogananda, Gandhi, Nanak, Kabir etc and not that idiot Bal Thackerey, so avoid passing generalized comments like, "I am going to say something which will not be pleasant to Indian society" etc because no matter how broad you may think your understanding about India is, you don't know much I am afraid. Sorry if I offend you there but I totally mean what I wrote here. So better stick to BKs and their shortcommings as you have some real, first hand experiences both from inside and outside the organization.
2) Not every movie that offends people is progressive and it is really a shameful and superficial Leftist notion that in order to be hailed as a reformist/iconoclast all you have to do is insult religious/cultural beliefs and try to prove that anyone who believes in spiritual things is an ignorant farmer. News anchors sitting in their echo chambers and talking about religious intolerance are cut-off from realities, be it in case of CNN BBC in West or NDTV, Times Now in India. So don't give too much weight to what you hear from them, if you hear from them.
3) You can believe civilization started in Africa or even on Mars (that's the latest hot belief) or whatever else I don't care. I am all for difference of opinion and positive criticisms but positive is the catch word here. I can try to clarify what I think you got wrong and can try to learn from you what I got wrong but only if only I get the feeling that you are interested in a discussion and not in 'showing me something' like a troll.

I will never indulge in telling an English history teacher from England about what I think happened between 2 kingdoms there in 15th century BC. Much the same way I do not expect people from Australia telling me that Bhakti is about "repressed sexual feelings of gopis/village women and had nothing divine in it anymore than a female masturbation", or some other crap like that. So, talk about things which you have experienced and listen to other people who have better experiences than you in other fields. That's how a healthy discussion can take place.

GOD bless all of you. A very happy new year to all you guys. May we help each other and the world more and more in the upcoming year not because we want to go to heaven or something but because it's what decent humans should do.

thankyou Brother pinkpanther and Brother humanbeing.. a very happy new year to all readers of this post..
thankyou.

Human Being,

Your sincerity is not in doubt. However i think you are misunderstanding some of ex-l’s replies.

Firstly, he is not in Australia, I am.

Secondly, obviously an outsider sees & knows things differently to the way an ”insider” or local person does. That does not mean they are wrong. They often bring a clarity not possible from those ”involved”, who are "too close” or have emotional investment in the subject.

Thirdly, you presume ex-l is generalising when in fact India is a very diverse country.
Yes, the latter is true and ex-l is very aware of that. I think you may be ‘presuming' his comments are ignorant over-generalisations when. from my reading. he is referring to a particular aspect of this discussion.

One of the difficulties with forums like this is to say what one needs to say without constantly qualifying every statement with ”of course this is not meant to be a comprehensive and sweeping accurate statement of all things Indian, rather, it's to make a point in regard to the topic at hand”. Such posts would be tedious to read.

Sometimes we can be overly generalised, sometimes overly particular and pedantic, we may engage in hyperbole, all for rhetorical effect.

We need to read each others posts with the aim of understanding the person’s intent rather than misreading how they said it as literal and absolute, sometimes we do not have the time to review and edit and rewrite to perfect what we are trying to say. (The art of comprehending is half of communication.)

We need also to bring a degree of compassion, to try to stand in the shoes of the writer as we read, to see things from their viewpoint rather than as a some kind of debate. We should not overreact when someone doesn’t express their thoughts as well or as accurately as they could or should, or in the way we would have expressed that point.

e.g. I could have pulled you up on the example of ”quicksand” because in fact, that image is a Hollywood creation. Quicksand does not actually 'pull people down’, it is either firm enough to stay where you land and lift oneself out or if it’s wet enough to go more deeply in, its wet enough to ‘tread water” and stay above, a muddy (sandy) pool. But the popular image you used was used as a metaphor to make your very valid point about accepting the needs of a situation, with which I fully agree.

Of course, a factually incorrect statement can and should be corrected if if is pertinent. Correcting an example used or a metaphor rather takes the discussion off-track.

I am now rambling. Cheers all.

I used to do a lot of fighting in class in junior school to impress some girls .

Definitely Shah Rukh Khan type ... .

You appreciate that the Shiv Sena reference was a joke, right?

I was thinking of Deepa Mehta and the responses to her movie 'Water'.

Shukshie,

My time is short, so I cannot respond in full. I am not unhappy with my current life ... except, as with most older people, we'd like to re-wind our lives to be able to start again knowing what we know now (and, with respect to the BKs, live my 20s and 30s fully) ... I have made the most sensible decision within my current circumstances. Living within one's means, as much as one can, is always a good idea.

I'd guard against "feeling" things in truth you don't know anything about (I tell myself this too). I am thinking about your comments regarding Prakashmani who I presume died before you were 'born' as a BK, and so all you would be doing is recycling what you have heard or been told by the BKs. There are others here who met and knew her.

No, my experience was just being subject to the core of BKism, the craziness of it, which is why I encourage others to guard themselves from it and find their own path.

I appreciate you feel a need for a relatively gentle/peaceful/safe community and, perhaps, the 'outskirts' of BKism offers you that ... but don't be deluded by your own kind/positive views of it.

More later.

What are your opinions about Osho (Rajneesh Jain)?

what are ur opinions about osho(rajneesh jain)

I once read and agreed with the statement someone made somewhere that had he not let fame and fortune go to his head and allow himself to fall into the cult-ism that built up around him he could have gone down in history as one of the great Indian philosophers of the modern era (but how could a Leo resist?!)

He was incredibly perceptive and sometimes very witty. His view of the BKs whom he got to know well when for a brief time in the 1950s, I think, he was resident in Mt Abu, was ”They believe in complete nonsense, with complete sincerity” ... or something like that.

What are your opinions about Osho (Rajneesh Jain)?

Everyone has some virtue ... the question is, how relevent are his interests to your life, and where will reading him take you?

Far better to study your own life and learn its lessons.
Far better to have older, wiser friends or relatives in real life who know you, and have made something of their lives.

Where do you think such interests will take you, or are they just a pleasant sort of escapism? (No offence intended in that, we all have our own escapisms).

To be honest, all of this kind of pursuit, from BKism to the like of Rajneesh, is only possible when living a life of relative luxury. It's an expense account. An entertainment. The BKs know this but they seem to be targetting middle/upper-middle class women in India who have too much time and too much money and need something to do with special centres and special retreat centres, more than happy to take some of that money off them.

Unless you are in the business of religion, it's really not a good investment of time and energy unless, perhaps, you are going to set yourself up as a guru in a later life ... and, to be honest, that's not a good investment nor a great career path either. In terms of numbers, it's like wanting to be a pop star or a politician. A dream, and not one that it's wise to give up your day job for.

Here's a famous ex-l quote ... "the one thing the BKs cured me of was wanting to be a guru" in the biggest way possible.

If you are generally interested in all this, and helping people, far better to train up in some formal counselling/therapy/legal rights trainings.

I have no idea how or why Rajneesh 'lost it' ... but he really did. I agree with Pink's point of view above and I think this is where the cynical or sceptical point of view is a very important one to have. Cynism or scepticism are not, or do not need to be, negative things. They are exceptionally important. There is some video footage of this spokesperson defending his collection of Rolls Royces on Youtube ... how on earth did he not see how deraged she was and the whole thing had become? It seems he just did not have what it takes to manage such large numbers of individuals and wealth.

If you take a character like Rajneesh, or any of the great gurus, and believe them to be like the snapshot present in one of their books, you'll miss the real story of their lives. And the same is true of the "positive thinking/thoughts creative reality" people. It's amazing how many of them, despite making millions from their products, end up suffering disasters of one sort or another ... making one ask, "well, how come their 'positive thinking' did not work for them?".

ABC TV in Australia - did a TV series, "Compass: Whatever Happened to ...". His "Orange People" were the topic of one of the programmes. The BKs seems to have escaped under their radar never having been big or visible enough. They did the Hare Krishnas and TM people too.

Mediumship training/spiritualistic healing ... I never followed it through to the end. I got caught up by the Brahma Kumaris instead who poo-poo such things as a waste of time and, basically, bad karma. What they really mean is any activity which does not have their immediate interests at heart is bad. A waste of resources and a potential risk of losing adherents or confusing their message.

I saw some *really* weird things happen which blow the socks off easy rational explanations. Nothing frightening. Much of the activity of the Christian Spiritualist Churches is doing "rescue work" which they believe is for wandering spirits who suffered a traumatic death, and did not realise they were dead.

Think of it as psychotherapy for spooks ... as in the Bruce Willis movie 'The Sixth Sense' (1999).

Hi,

Sorry for the late reply.

A lot of important aspects about Rajneesh and his likes have been covered.

Before I begin writing my opinion, I would like to ask you why are you interested in him? Although it's not that difficult to guess. Look, sukshm, most of the people people try to find solutions to their personal problems are hiding behind the facade of being spiritual seekers, but you are an honest and courageous person (not to mention sweet one;)), so some honest talking wont hurt in your case, would it?

Rajneesh's philosophy and general teachings are available to all and you may have read a lot of them already, so I would basically like to share with you my opinion about general topic of gurus first.

There are basically two types of them-

1) the traditional ones like Ramakrishna, Paramhansa Yogananda types who have a chain of their gurus.
2) the modern ones who claim to not have their own gurus, like Rajneesh and Jaggi Vasudev (he is in fashion right now) or even Ravishanker types.

It is my opinion that most people who love to share spiritual quotes on Facebook, and talk about it passionately in auditoriums of academic institutions, are mostly phonies and shallow elitists more interested in intellectual debates and ramblings so as to score intellectual brownie points amongst their peers, or hiding their psychological/emotional abnormalities/failures under a facade of 'being different' than others. It is generally to these kind of people the second category of 'gurus' appeal the most, and they end up becoming more fanboys/girls than real spiritual disciples. They are in awe of their 'guru' most of the time, telling everyone that he is the greatest (the manifestation of one's own ego).

Look at the point Osho/Acharya Rajneesh emphasized most in his life. He continuously talked about the importance of 'deprogramming' our minds, to let all individuals blossom their own personalities as everyone is different etc. He used to mock people for dressing like their gurus if I am not mistaken, or to imitate their accent, expressions etc. And look how spectacularly he failed to prevent his closest disciples (who are now coming on Astha Channel writing "Osho" behind their own names) into following these very cult-like practices, and developing the very same problems he criticized the most.

In the beginning, when I used to read him and the likes of Vivekananda etc, I used to wonder at the sheer scope of their vision. How keen they were in finding flaws in collective human thought patterns/cultural practices of their times, how they tried to caution others into not to fall prey to dogma and blind faith etc. Now I think I know better.

Seeing problems is only one part of spiritual elevation. Offering solutions is a lot more difficult than that. And in that, organisations suck in my opinion, no matter formed by whom. Once the original guru passes away, a decline/distortion in his teachings starts taking place as others who accede to important positions after the guru are simply not upto his caliber, especially if the guru is of type 2 Category like Osho was.

About type one category gurus I will write shortly and please read my whole reply carefully and thoroughly before putting forth your very welcome points.

You don't mention Deepak Chopra who would fit so far into Category (2) that we might need a Category (3) for those just cynically exploiting poetic "wisdom" for the sake of making money. An individual who I would categorise as a invisible speck in the record of philosophical or theosophical endeavour ... and yet has become a multi-national, multi-millionaire brand on the basis of being brown and spouting quasi-"spiritual" bollocks.

Excuse me Sukhsie, "bollocks" is a coarse word for male testicles but it means, sort of "absolutely ridiculous rubbish". Perhaps because of how they look.

Just to show you how easy it is to do it, or to sound-like a guru, there is a fake 'Deepak Chopra quote generator', here. It is just a simple computer programme generating spiritual sounding bollocks. Or "woo" as I might call it (that's another saying the West ... "selling woo", as in the BKs' "wah!'" ... a meaningless noise of surprise).

I describe Chopra as "marketing his brownness" to take further a point Human Being is underline, how the "mystical look" - and a certain amount of physical attractiveness - is all just part of the cynical marketing. In the publishing world, they have a saying, "the definition of an expert is someone who has published a book, and travelled 5,000 miles". In Chopra's case, being Indian in the USA helps. Many Indian gurus, including Yoganada, Satchitanada and Prabhupada etc, also did just that in the West ... "Going West" to make money, just as the Bangalore IT guys are today.

Carving out empires in a marketplace with less to no competition.

I mention this to refer back to Rajneesh. From memory, he actually came from a secular/intellectual background (he was a university philosophy professor) and was insightful. My thinking is that if he had been born in the West, he might have become an author/philosopher/social commentator but because he was born in India, and cultivating a certain look, instead he was propelled into the guru stream. A dynamic equally created by both leader and followers and one we seem gaining ground within BKism.

Like the BKs, and the Brian Bacon Self Management Leadership wing, Rajneesh targetted wealthy merchants and businessmen who sought individual consultations from him (aka corporate coaching amongst the BKs) about their spiritual development and daily life, in return for donations.

There's nothing new under the sun in the business of religion! Before he lost it, Osho was kind of like an Indian Wilhelm Reich/Jacque Derrida.

I look forward to Human Being's Part II.

I've often picked up and underlined the weakness in Lekhraj Kirpalani's case because he was, at the very least, a Category (2) guru ... that is, he had no spiritual lineage or training. No lineage of gurus behind him, no organization to offer checks and balances in cases of weaknesses, temptation and Maya creeping in; in the way that priests or even psychotherapists have. Someone senior or superior to them, someone equally qualified to help keep them in a healthy balance, that they can go to for help.

No peer review of new ideas even.

Lekhraj Kirpalani almost belongs to a another, far more rare category of "vanity gurus" ... those rich and/or powerful enough to afford to play out their own guru or god fantasy. And, remember, for the first 20 years of BKism, there was no other god but God Brahma. No God Shiva. It was only God Lekhraj Kirpalani and his gopi harem. No one else to question or challenge him. No one else to pull him up for being deluded. That's a very dangerous delusion to be in.

I don't know what HB is going to say but, for me, I can understand the need of or enjoyment in inspirational poetic literature. Even fantasy. I don't think it's that dangerous or unhealthy. It's probably better than getting drunk or high ... but kind of similar. Especially if one becomes addicted to it.

As in an 'addictive personality type', or OCD (obsessive-compulsion disorder), and *anything* can become dangerously obsessive.

I think we crave dreams, or child-like fantasy worlds, in which we are "hero actors" as an escape from this really harsh and difficult one, and that's exactly what BKism sells us. We become like a character in our very own, or Lekhraj Kirpalani's very own, 'Harry Potter' or 'Lord of the Rings' world. Except for Hindus, you don't have 'Lord of the Rings' Star Wars even, you have the Mahabharata and Ramayana so they use elements of those.

Another form of meditation I enjoy is vipassana meditation - from the Buddhist school. I also enjoy BK Raja Yoga meditation. They complement each other quite well. The Buddhist meditation grounds one in the body. The BK meditation takes one out of one's body. Regarding BK meditation, I think the practice is wonderful. I also think certain aspects of the philosophy were human inspired - created through Brahma Baba in tandem with Jagdish Bhai who had a pivotal role in developing the cohesive body of knowledge there is now. But that doesn't bother me. The meditation has been wonderful in my life, and continues to be. I don't identify as a BK, but neither do I identify as not a BK. I am just a human being. A person. To live a good human life and be as angelic as possible in this crazy drama is my path!

Cohesive? Knowledge?

Jagdish was a fabulist who fabricated many of the falsehoods and exaggerations that have been used to deceive newcomers over the last decades. I write that with the benefit of a) meeting him, and b) disproving them.

If Vipassna means "insight into the true nature of reality" does that mean the BK Knowledge is the "true nature of reality" and what do we do when parts of it are proven to be false?

What do you make of the spiritualist elements of BKism?

What are your thoughts about the advent of Golden Age ... many mediums and channels are prophesising it ... what meditation is best to take birth in Golden Age? Is the BK path a 'must be' part of the Golden Age or are many other meditations also helpful? I remember in the Sakar/Avyakt Murlis, Baba says the Golden Age is scientifically very advanced with wordly and spiritual pleasures at an all time high compared to all other ages in the 5000 year cycle. He said many scientists also take birth in Golden Age since their sanskars of scientific accopmlishments are also needed to run Golden Age lifestyle ... most likely by the end of Confluence Age all people in the planet will be introduced to the BK philosophy and will accumulate their inheritance accordingly.

I feel that BK meditation techniques are many and, accordingly, the accumulations also vary ... in my opinion, BK meditation is the mother/Father of all meditations ... all modalities of meditations can be traced back to BK roots ... as our consciousness become more and more subtle, we conduct as well as transmit ShivBaba's sanskars and knowledge and some one catches the meme and create a meditation modality based on their vibration level and evolution of consciousness.

BK philosophy is interpreted by each one of us in our own way so the variations are understandable but that doesn't mean BK meditation is flawed or limited ... can you share what exactly would you visualise and take which 'swaman' while meditating?

I am not doing BK mediation regularly since someone told me, BK meditation results in mass destruction ... we actually become demi-god Shankar and destroy old world and then create a Golden Age (though in Sakar Murli it is written 'pehle stapna phir vinaash', i.e. first creation of the Golden Age and then the destruction of old world) and only few make it to Golden Age and all others are left in sleep stage in Paramdham ... if this theory is true, then it means we are actually denying our fellow Brothers (non-bks) from their right to live. Some are happy with their life now and don't want the advent of Golden Age since they feel they will be in Paramdham (sweet silence home) and are fighting for their right to live. Hence I searched for alternate meditation techniques ...